Talk:List of highest-grossing animated films/Archive 9

Remove Lion King (2019) please
The Lion King (2019) does not count as an Animated film, It is not necessary, so then please remove from the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 187.161.191.23 (talk) 17:54, 9 February 2020 (UTC)


 * Yes. It does count. Disney calls it 'live action' but it is still an animated film. jelroy the second (talk) 3:57, 10 February 2020 (UTC)
 * I assume then that photorealist paintings are not paintings but rather photographs? Anything made on a computer is animated, buddy -Gouleg (Talk • Contribs) 14:23, 11 February 2020 (UTC)

No. It does not count, because there is some live-action in the beginning, so it is not fully animated and an animated movie is a movie where every scene is animated. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2604:6000:1415:815B:35D0:1D4D:9BDE:D98A (talk) 23:37, 9 July 2020 (UTC)
 * The definition used by the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences for animated films (used for this article) cites "[...]and animation must figure in no less than 75 per cent of the picture's running time" so even if it used some live-action in the beginning, it is still an animated film per the AMPAS' standards -Gouleg (Talk • Contribs) 19:28, 10 July 2020 (UTC)

There should be a separate list and or page for the live-action/CGI/animated remake films. Even though there arent that many it would be a good page by definition. But this is just a random suggestion since i was wondering peoples thought on lion king (2019).
 * There are sections on this page for computer animated, clay-mation, and traditional animation. I don't believe we have a page specifically for highest-grossing live-action films, just List of highest-grossing films. Useight (talk) 21:18, 26 March 2020 (UTC)

there is also a List of highest-grossing live-action/animated films witch has a live-action/CG and a live action/tradinoal sections as well and a anime  page a page for opening weekends Fanoflionking  18:35, 27 April 2020 (UTC)
 * List of animated films by box office admissions is in drafts Fanoflionking 18:39, 27 April 2020 (UTC)

Unexpected link
The link for "Happy Feet" directs to the "Cultural References" section of the Emperor penguin article. Since it is a part of a locked list, I can't find a way to edit the link direction, since Happy feet has it's own article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.95.128.23 (talk) 22:06, 19 December 2020 (UTC)
 * Fixed! BOVINEBOY 2008 22:12, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Add "Spider Man : Into The Spider Verse" To the List:
Why Is "Spider Man : Into The Spider Verse" not a part of this List of top grossing movies whereas it had Grossed the Most and is the best animated movie till date? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 45.121.31.115 (talk) 17:52, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Spiderverse only grossed $375.5 million at the box office, which is nowhere to the top 50 films this article lists (the last place of this list, Kung Fu Panda 3, grossed $521 million) -Gouleg🛋️ (Talk • Contribs) 19:06, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
 * Plus, a movie’s critical, and box office performances are independent of each other. The Lion King remake from 2019 is an example of a movie in general that’s pretty divisive, but it’s still listed as the highest grossing animated movie, reaching 1.6+ billion dollars. Also, Spiderverse didn’t gross the most from 2018, that would be Incredibles 2, with $1.2 billion. 22:17, 31 January 2021 (UTC)

Snow White timeline status
For the timeline of highest grossing animated movies, Snow White is shown to have made $8 million in 1937, but that number is written to be boosted to $418.2 million in 1993. What I find curious, is that the source used for that claim is a newspaper by the New York Times from 1987, and on the fifth paragraph, it specifically states, “On Friday, it will open simultaneously in 60 countries around the globe, including the Soviet Union and the People's Republic of China. There is no place where it is not already known and loved. By now, it has grossed about $330 million worldwide - so it remains one of the most popular films ever made.” What’s going on here? 20:48, 1 February 2021 — Preceding unsigned comment added by BlueBlurHog (talk • contribs)
 * Snow White was re-released every 7 years or so up to 1992/1993 when it was finally released on video. Due to inflation it made more with pretty much ever reissue. In its final two reissues (1987 & 1993) it grossed $88 million in the US alone. It most likely grossed even more than that overseas (so in reality it has probably grossed over half a billion all-told). A similar thing occurred with most other Disney animated films to a lesser extent. This little snippet will help to explain it. As for the Soviet Union and China these were under Communist rule at the time and banned pretty much all Western media back then. China started exhibiting American films in the 70s and Soviet Union in the 80s during Glasnost, which provided a late boom for many Hollywood classics (Gone with the Wind was also a beneficiary of the Eastern bloc opening up). Snow White was the golden goose though; a 40 mil gross in the 80s is like a 100 mil gross today, so it makes you wonder why they ever released it on video. Betty Logan (talk) 02:50, 2 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Maybe there’s some confusion, so I’ll clarify. Why does it say 1993 if the source, the newspaper, is from 1987, and says it made $330M? I don’t deny what you say is true, Betty, but if this IS true, then why not add this as a separate row specifically meant to indicate that the numbers are from 1993, with a citation to back it up? As opposed to passing off a source from 1987 as if it represents 1993? (BlueBlurHog) 13:02, 5 February 2021
 * There are two sources in the citation: The 1987 NY Time sources gives the gross up to an including the 1983 release. I don't believe this is presented to indicate the numbers are from 1993, because the citation states that the 1987 source gives the "Total prior to 50th anniversary reissue". There is also the Box Office Mojo source that provides the US grosses from 1987 and 1993. If you add up this these grosses this is the last known (although not complete) figure for Snow White ($418 million). Another row could be added to make it clearer if that would help, but technically it would be a 1983 row because the 1987 source is from prior to the 1987 reissue (and thus not including any 1987 data). Betty Logan (talk) 07:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)

Statements regarding inflation, etc.
I think the statements that say things like this:

"Films that have not played since then do not appear on the chart due to ticket price inflation, population size, and ticket purchasing trends not being considered."

should be reworded somehow. While I assume the statements are meant to just be explanations of why nothing since the specified years have been able to make it to the lists, that wording could be misunderstood as saying this article is intentionally excluding some movies for irrelevant reasons (reasons that don't apply to non-inflation-adjusted lists). Alphius (talk) 20:26, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Spirited Away's Lifetime Box Office Collections
This is the lifetime box office collection as per the prominent editor of Crunchyroll, Daryl Hardling. This discussion is useless if the IP address doesn't revert its edits till the discussion is closed. The point to note here is that article has many sources from this editor supporting the edits. If any user edits before discussion is closed will be blocked. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 4:57 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * As explained in Spirited Away's Talk, the figures for Spirited Away's box office total in Crunchyroll's articles are what it calls "upper estimates." The CR editor acknowledged that the spreadsheet above includes unsourced, unverified, and unconfirmed numbers.
 * https://twitter.com/DoctorDazza/status/1364228294871195651
 * 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * He said that it is difficult to know gross if you donot know native language.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:05 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * The CR editor also said that the spreadsheet above includes unverified and unconfirmed numbers without sources. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:21, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * What is this see and answer me now https://twitter.com/DoctorDazza/status/1364228612849770503 Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:25 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, this is where the CR editor acknowledges, "Hence why I say 'upper estimates' rather than confirmed numbers." Wikipedia does not resolve incomplete verified information by adding unverified information. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:31, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Are you mad? Can't you see this

"Box Office Mojo and The Numbers are missing a lot of this data, and have trouble tracking international re-releases or films that fall of the "top 10" in the regions. US releases they're usually on point with though." Box office Mojo and The Number missed out many sources. You can see the example of Demon Slayer movie where correct gross hasn't been updated.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:32 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Again, Wikipedia does not deal with incomplete verified information by adding unverified information. Crunchyroll specifically describes its Spirited Away box office numbers as "upper estimates" and acknowledges that its figures includes unverified, unconfirmed numbers. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 05:40, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * "Box Office Mojo and The Numbers are missing a lot of this data", See this statement carefully, it says missing lots of data ,meaning not confirmed and unverified box office collection from this two sources.Ichika Kasuga (talk) 5:58 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes, these two sources are missing data for various countries. However, that missing data does justify adding unconfirmed and unverified data to Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not for unverifiable material. WP:WIAE 27.143.41.6 (talk) 06:16, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Missing data meaning to say that gross is incomplete. If gross is incomplete then the film will loss position insignficantly. Making the film looks unsuccessful in box office you can see the gross of the film Demon Slayer Mugen Train, which hasn't updated with sources and is reliable to reader to know that the gross of the film has overtook 400 USD million but Box Office Mojo and The Number reporting 337 USD million, meaning to say that the film hasn't perform well in box office. So the reliable one is Crunchyroll. Thank you. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 6:18 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Wikipedia is not a complete repository of information, nor can it be or should be. WP:NOTEVERYTHING If verifiabe information is missing, we have to accept it.


 * By the way, The Numbers is not reporting 337 USD million, and Crunchyroll is not reporting 400 USD million. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 06:34, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Sorry, It has reported only $323 million. https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Kimetsu-no-Yaiba-Mugen-Ressha-Hen-(2020-Japan)#tab=summary Crunchyroll has updated it in twitter.

You can check it there directly. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 6:32 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * The verifiable numbers are available for Demon Slayer, but the numbers for Spirited Away in the spreadsheet above are not verifiable. That's the issue here. 27.143.41.6 (talk) 06:49, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * It is true that some of revenues are missing, but this can happen for all the other films (for example, revenues in Indonesia, Macao, Mongolia, or other pre-release revenues in several countries are not included in the total gross revenue of Demon Slayer). In case of the above Table concerning Spirited Away, "Rest of Europe", "Rest of Latin America", and "Rest of Asia" (US$ 8 million in total) provide no reliable verified information.  In addition, information on local currencies or the date of the conversions into US$ or JPY are not given in the Table. After such information is complete with reliable sources, I may agree to use the recalculated figures, but I rather prefer to use the figures presented by the Numbers or MOJO for Spirited Away just now. (By the way, I think the box office revenue of Spirited Away in Japan presented in the Numbers is rather overestimated by converting JPY 31.88 billion into US$ 304 million, ignoring the currency exchange rates during 2001-2002)Orichalcum (talk) 07:01, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Here whats Comicbook mention "Spirited Away is currently capped at nearly $396 million worldwide which is certainly impressive."Here is the link of this statement. Even if it has use the source of ANN. Currently, I have been trying to reach extact gross while studying I found that the gross of the film Spirited Away was $355 million then increased to $358 million and then increased to $383 million while Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train was about to overtook the film in term of worldwide box office collection by the mysterious site coming from no where i.e The Number as per the link says. I have some tweets with a Box Office Analyst which supports my statement of $396 million worldwide gross. You can see my tweets for your references. He has clearly explained your doubt regarding terms like "ROA", "ROE". However a point to note that domestic box office collection is not mentioned clearly in the site The Number. But what Box Office Mojo reports that the lifetime gross of Spirited Away is only $355 million. All together it was concluded that money exchange rate is different in various site which has lead to box office fluculations. So the summary is that there is no actual record on lifetime box office collection on the film. I have tried to contact the production studio regarding its gross. But there wasn't any response from there side. In the end we need to take estimates as per jatvision's tweet because this is not a Hollywood movie nor produced by Disney. Further, today he felt offended regarding his personal research. But he says "if you want to know numbers personally, you know it now. simple." Another important is that Spirited Away grossed 30.8B in Japan in 2002 which was $253M back then, while today it will be $300M. So, chart is quite disturbing. Further the box office Analyst also says "past number for developing and smaller markets are impossible to get unless you can get them from every individual distributor which released the film. even producers won't know them because they sold the films to distributors." Also the studio itself hasn't officially announced its lifetime gross for Spirited Away. As far what concerned the most is the system of exchange of currency. Sadly, the distributor also has no obligation to report any box office numbers. Conclusion: Till the system of exchange is know the gross will be limited by $395.6 million. If within the next seven days the data is not confirmed, then we will switch back to the data of Box Office Mojo. Thanking you for your patiences. He also says "past number for developing and smaller markets are impossible to get unless you can get them from every individual distributor which released the film. even producers won't know them because they sold the films to distributors. All the tweets are available. You can see them for your references. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 11:56 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Is it fair to say we have consensus on these points?
 * 1) The spreadsheet above, as is, does not meet Wikipedia's standards for verifiability or sourcing for Spirited Away's box office numbers.
 * 2) For now, Wikipedia should use the figures from The Numbers or Box Office Mojo for Spirited Away's box office.
 * 27.143.41.6 (talk) 11:37, 24 February 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment I agree we should stick with confirmed grosses for now, rather than adding in upper-guesstimates. I appreciate that sometimes box-office trackers can lag a bit and sometimes other sources will be more accurate, but the Crunchy-roll article seems to be high-balling the grosses for Spirited Away and Your Name for a specific task: to determine whether Demon Slayer has out-grossed them. The only way the analysis can be sure it has indeed outgrossed those two films is by high-balling the estimates for those films (i.e. set an upper-ceiling for their grosses). If Crunchyroll was tasked with the specific aim of determining a more accurate gross for Spirited Away and Your Name then it would almost certainly not high-ball and arrive at lower figures. We should probably stick with The Numbers for the time-being because there are ongoing problems with Box Office Mojo (see WP:BOXOFFICE).


 * On another note I would also ask editors to not remove credible sources for figures and replace with them with citations to Wikipedia articles. I have had to correct this once (see ) but the edit was reverted. Other Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources per WP:CIRCULAR. Every figure in this article should be accompanied by a source.


 * We try our best to keep the figures up to date, but when films are re-released there is invariably some lag before we get the figures. Sometimes American trackers are not ideal for logging grosses for foreign films either. That is not an excuse to dispense with WP:Verifiability though. By all means if you think you have a more up to date figure then we welcome suggestions and we can discuss that here on the talk page and decide whether we can use the information, but repeatedly adding in wishy-washy guess-work is not really appropriate.Betty Logan (talk) 12:32, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Currently, this sources support for my statement are as follows
 * 1)                         Crunchyroll article stating its final gross to $395.6 million.
 * 2)                         Comicbook article stating its final gross to around $396 million.
 * 3)                         Box Office Analyst's tweet.
 * 4)                         Statistics of a Spreadsheet docs.
 * 5)                         Stats that prove that the out-dated site basically the Numbers and Prominent site namely the Box Office Mojo as wrong.
 * 6)                         Problem of money exchange.

Wikipedia contain a lot of incorrect box office collection. However, when there is a reference that support my statement then you can't revert it. Okay, its fine if you add on what basis I have updated the gross. Basically my data is based upon various re-release including the adjusted inflation which have impact on its life time run. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 12:58 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You seem to have ignored everything I have said, and what other editors have pointed out to you. None of these sources say that Spirited Away has grossed $396 million, they say it has grossed NO MORE than that i.e. it is an upper-bound. I—along with the other editors you are warring with—do not agree that upper-bound estimates are appropriate tallies to add to the article. Unlike the lower figures there is no confirmation that the film grossed this amount. These articles are primarily concerned with whether Demon Slayer is the highest-grossing anime film so they are HIGH-BALLING the grosses for the other films. This point has been explained to you repeatedly but you are choosing to ignore it. The consensus is clearly against you. If you continue in this manner I will request administrator intervention to protect the article. Betty Logan (talk) 13:18, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Okay, you think I am discriminating you and all other editors. When I updated the gross for the first time then there was no one who has objected to my edits. Its look like you are threatening me that I am wrong even with the box office collection of Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train which I update regularly as per its box office section. Its seem that I am the one who is violating here. Everyone thinks that I don't deserve to be a good editor even when there is reference that support my statement. Its okay that I am the one making mistakes here. Its okay that you say I have ignore all the editors here. But is it ok when a random user reverted my edits when I have reference. I do not why you all behave this way. Today I promise myself that I will never ever edit this article. Do what you think. Tell me that I am useless and brainless. After all this edit of yours wouldn't change the truth. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 13:35 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
 * You didn't update Demon Slayer with a reference; you replaced the reference with a note (which I reverted in this edit). Per WP:CIRCULAR, other Wikipedia articles are not reliable sources. If you actually have a source that states Demon Slayer has grossed $401 million then by all means update it. But please do not replace actual sources with Wikipedia article links. Each figure in this article must be cited to a reliable source. Betty Logan (talk) 14:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

What do you mean by your statement that the total box office collection on the Wikipedia Article Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba the Movie: Mugen Train is wrong and unreliable. Then delete the entire article. I gave the link directly to the article box office section so that reader would be able to know how the film total box office is calculated as all the reference of the box office collection in various territory is added with their respective gross, backed and supported by reference in the table. Today you proved that the box office section of the film is wrong. Please wait I am asking the administerator to delete that box office section of the film. Also its prove that you are infamiliar with the article meaning to say that you haven't checked. Ichika Kasuga (talk) 14:15 Wednesday, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 February 2021
remove Category:Top film lists, already have added Category:Lists of highest-grossing films. 寒吉 (talk) 10:34, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done: Special:Diff/1009239088 ~ Ase1este charge-paritytime 14:11, 27 February 2021 (UTC)
 * , I forgot to ping. ~ Ase1este charge-paritytime 14:12, 27 February 2021 (UTC)

Raya
Boonie Bears has now lost its place as "highest grossing animated film of 2021". While it lies stagnant at between $91-97M (depending on the wikipage source), Box office Mojo and The Numbers currently have Raya and the Last Dragon in at $111M. Of course, if anybody has an update that can turn this around, I'll respectfully take my claim back. 16:38 April 26, 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg DoneFan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 10:22, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Table layout
Just curious, why remove the "Peak" column from all the tables? -  wolf  04:02, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * As I said in, We really don't have sufficient sourcing for this. It's rather a shame since a "peak" column adds a lot of value, but we just don't. What we would need is for each individual entry to have a source that explicitly verifies that it peaked at that position. If that could be solved, I would be in favour of re-adding the column. TompaDompa (talk) 04:40, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * There's other steps that could, (and perhaps should), have been taken before gutting the tables with mass deletions, no? -  wolf  15:24, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but any steps to properly source this information that could have been taken before it was removed should have been taken before it was added. TompaDompa (talk) 08:08, 5 July 2021 (UTC)

Space Jam
Watching the tailer for Space Jam: A New Legacy it seams to be more animated then first thought does anyone know if it will meet the requirements for this page Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 16:48, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

According to this page: The highest grossing animated films of the years 1968 (Out of an old man's head) and 1974 (Dunderklumpen!) are films with animated characters, such as Tom & Jerry, and Space Jam and then those are taken into account — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gus793 (talk • contribs) 14:13, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

Tom & Jerry?
Why is Tom & Jerry in as the highest grossing animated movie pf 2021? Is that not a live-action/animated hybrid movie? Isn’t ~half the total movie live and the the other percentage animation? (BlueBlurHog) 19:25, 23 May 2021
 * It is a live-action animated film not animated (it currently ranks as the one of the highest-grossing live-action/animated film of all time. The same goes for Peter RabbitSpace Jam 2 and a few others this year Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 09:13, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

Why the highest grossing animated films of the years 1968 (Out of an old man's head) and 1974 (Dunderklumpen!) are films with animated characters, such as Tom & Jerry, and Space Jam and those are taken into account?

Why not recognize PAW Patrol: The Movie as the highest grossing animated film of this year 2021, if it has already raised more than 135 million dollars? Check your box office ... please update — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gus793 (talk • contribs) 14:07, 5 November 2021 (UTC)
 * According to Box Office Mojo, PAW Patrol: The Movie has only made $128 million. According to The Numbers, only $93 million. Where are you getting $135 million from? TompaDompa (talk) 14:24, 5 November 2021 (UTC)

The Boss Baby: Family Business is the highest grossing animated movie film of 2021. Ref. https://www.the-numbers.com/movie/Boss-Baby-Family-Business-The-(2021) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gus793 (talk • contribs) 00:24, 29 November 2021 (UTC)
 * We generally prefer using Box Office Mojo as a source when possible, since it's a more reputable source than The Numbers. In this case, both sources agree that The Boss Baby: Family Business is indeed the highest-grossing animated film of 2021, but they disagree about the gross. Also, please sign your posts using four tildes ( ~ ) and don't remove comments others have made. TompaDompa (talk) 02:05, 29 November 2021 (UTC)

any inflation adjusted stats?
like this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_films#Highest-grossing_films_adjusted_for_inflation Thewriter006 (talk) 05:07, 6 November 2022 (UTC)

Sponge out of water
This is a hybrid live action/3d computer animated film, therefore, it should not be counted on the list of traditionally animated films. 140.228.15.3 (talk) 05:13, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Lion King (Highest-grossing animated franchises and film series)
I was just looking at the lion king entry for franchises and it has The Lion King 3: Hakuna Matata

I have two questions about this

1)Why is it here and not 'The Lion King II: Simba's Pride'? 2)Why is it here at all? Catprog (talk) 03:27, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

The Super Mario Bros. Movie
No need to put the highest grossing film there, it's misleading there. CastJared (talk) 22:29, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Protect article?
Looks like there's been a lot of false information about The Super Mario Bros. Movie, from having a lower box office than reality to a higher box office than reality. TheTank3753 (talk) 00:08, 11 April 2023 (UTC)


 * maybe temporarily while the movie's playing in theaters Techny3000 (talk) 14:43, 19 April 2023 (UTC)

Add a section for the movies when adjusted for inflation?
The article mentions how Snow White would be #1 if adjusted for inflation, but I think it would be more informative if we had a section for the top 10 when adjusted for inflation. The article for highest grossing films in general has it, so why can't this one? NintendoLover2005 (talk) 16:42, 5 May 2023 (UTC)


 * It would be impossible to do for the early Disney films. The only reason we were able to do it at the List of highest grossing films is because Guinness World Records provided a "seed" list which we could then update. Betty Logan (talk) 21:18, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
 * That's unfortunate. NintendoLover2005 (talk) 01:08, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

The Lion King (Remake)
This article displays The Lion King remake as the highest-grossing animated movie of all time. The people who made this movie do not consider it to be animated, despite what some institutions have said. For that reason, I encourage a movement where users delete any information relating to the movie from this article and any articles related to this one. I appreciate your coopertaion. SMT2002 (talk) 21:59, 28 May 2023 (UTC)


 * What Disney considers it to be and what it actually is differ. The article on the film describes it as "a photorealistic computer-animated remake" so by the inclusion criteria for this list, and for consistency between Wikipedia articles, it belongs. Also see archives for this talk page. The issue has been widely discussed and consensus was to include it. Geraldo Perez (talk) 22:05, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Perhaps someone could send a letter to the animation guild and see what they consider it to be. That should shine some light on the situation. SMT2002 (talk) 22:10, 28 May 2023 (UTC)
 * You sent that letter, and in the meantime stop vandalizing the page. Tangamandapiou (talk) 00:55, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * Actually, it's okay. If there's nothing we can do about this, that fine with me.  I didn't mean to vandalize anything.  Sorry about that. SMT2002 (talk) 04:12, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
 * I Allready Edited It 2600:8800:7306:DE00:8047:24B8:ADB6:BE38 (talk) 16:43, 1 June 2023 (UTC)