Talk:List of highest-grossing media franchises/Archive 3

Winnie the Pooh
Winnie the Pooh was inception in 1966 not 1924 remember it is the Disney version 92.236.253.249 (talk) 19:35, 28 November 2022 (UTC)


 * maybe we should add a note similar to the Barbie franchise? Timur9008 (talk) 21:04, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Not sure why the numbers source says $214 million then. Timur9008 (talk) 10:40, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Also box office numbers do not add up i find them here and get back 92.236.253.249 (talk) 14:00, 29 November 2022 (UTC)

Unreliable sources
I think it should be made explicit on this page which sources are deemed unreliable and its justification.

@Timur9008 Could you provide a list and some reasoning?

Sivany29 (talk) 20:39, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Statistic Brain - ?
 * Statista - ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sivany29 (talk • contribs) 20:40, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Those + Title Max(see above) + SuperData.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Video_games/Archive_154#Statista/SuperData_for_video_game_sales.
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources/Noticeboard/Archive_388#Statista
 * Regarding Statistic Brain. I don't they are any different then Statista. The about page doesn't really say much Timur9008 (talk) 20:58, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, anything added after December 2016(when this article was created) should be added carefully. Timur9008 (talk) 21:00, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 30 November 2022
Dragonball franchise is missing from this list

https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/money-finance/the-25-highest-grossing-media-franchises-of-all-time/ 24.96.42.241 (talk) 19:31, 30 November 2022 (UTC)


 * Title Max source is List of highest-grossing media franchises Wikipedia page, this article(says at the bottom of the graph) Timur9008 (talk) 20:43, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. A TitleMax reference that itself references this Wikipedia article is WP:CIRCULAR and not reliable. Aoidh (talk) 23:10, 30 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 December 2022
On this page, it says Anpanman's retail sale is $56.404 billion. But on Anpanman's page, it says $44.76 billion. Donutmarcy (talk) 09:18, 1 December 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ nice catch. Timur9008 (talk) 09:33, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Japanese sources
If any Wiki Editor is fluent in Japanese it would be great if someone would check the Japanese sources from the earlier revison(before November 23, 2022) and possibly add some stuff back. Timur9008 (talk) 11:45, 1 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 December 2022
Please change inception date of barbie from 1987 to 1959. 184.145.152.112 (talk) 02:01, 3 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See footnote aj - Barbie became a media franchise starting in 1987, with the debut of the Barbie animated film series. Earlier Barbie toy sales prior to 1987 are not included here. Cannolis (talk) 03:39, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Missing franchises
Jumanji, Finding Nemo captain America,incredibles, Jason Bourne, Men in Black,how to train your dragons,The Conjuring, Terminator, iron man, black panther, thor, planet of the apes, monsterverse and kung fu panda all made more the $2B im box office and home media sales Whiles Avatar $3.3 billion Titanic $2.3 billion also made more then $2B92.236.253.249 (talk) 10:52, 3 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Restored Terminator. Still checking the rest. Timur9008 (talk) 13:43, 3 December 2022 (UTC)

Question
Why did you ignore all previous sources? Carambolax (talk) 16:16, 4 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Read the rest of this talk page, as you've been requested to do, starting especially with Sources cleanup. -- ferret (talk) 17:12, 4 December 2022 (UTC)
 * As Ferret said, the numbers were inflated by User:Maestro2016 who is now banned. The San Franchisco Chronicle you tried adding back used the inflated numbers. Timur9008 (talk) 02:29, 5 December 2022 (UTC)

Edit notice
I propose we add an edit notice stating "numbers issued after December 2016 should be added carefully". Many media outlets simply just copy paste this article. Timur9008 (talk) 20:18, 5 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Formulate a complete message and if no one objects I'll create the edit notice. -- ferret (talk) 21:09, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
 * "This is a statistics/figures-based article and as such, any changes or additions that do not have a valid citation will be reverted in order to maintain accuracy. It should be noted that anything issued after December 2016(when the article was created) should be added with great care as media outlets tend to report numbers from this page.
 * This includes sources such as TitleMax and Statista which are not to be used. Additionally, do not use original research content. Such content will be removed Timur9008 (talk) 02:27, 6 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 December 2022
There is a decimal mistake in the tabel for MCU and it has rather been written as ', ' instead of '. ' . This makes a huge difference and needs to be fixed. 202.168.84.133 (talk) 15:49, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ -- ferret (talk) 17:29, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Why does it say call of duty made 30 billion
For some reason call of duty is at 30 billion even tho there's one source of the income that being video games and its only at 19 billion Nickiswerid (talk) 02:26, 2 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Thats's what it says in The Washington Post article. Timur9008 (talk) 10:19, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok Nickiswerid (talk) 20:56, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Crash
Does anyone have a Crash Bandicoot update I Found one for 2007 with a gross of $1B 92.236.253.249 (talk) 19:39, 8 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Nothing recent no. Timur9008 (talk) 20:15, 8 December 2022 (UTC)

Didn't Pokémon gross over 100 billion USD?
I haven't visited this article in a while, so it came to my surprise to see that Winne The Poo overtook Pokémon as the highest-grossing media franchise! But then I gave this article as closer look and saw that the revenue figure of Pokémon was only 71 billion USD, which surprised me as I distinctly remember when Pokémon hit 100 billion USD and the news covering it. After a search through google I found myself unmistaken as articles covering it were still there. Why was this changed on this article? Treetoes023 (talk) 20:40, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * See Sources cleanup. Timur9008 (talk) 21:00, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Also, The last number for the Pokemon franchise was ¥6.0 trillion($50 billion) as of March 2017. Timur9008 (talk) 21:08, 11 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Those were the last official numbers given to us directly by The Pokémon Company, estimates released in 2021 state that Pokémon reached 100 billion USD in revenue. One of the places that reported this was Vox, a website identified as reliable by Wikipedia, per WP:RSPVOX. Seeing as this list almost completely uses estimated figures, I see no reason that this should not be added. Also, I am sorry about the mess that was made on this article sending it 2 years back in time. I won't be much help on fixing this article, but I do wish you luck (however much luck that will bring you). Treetoes023 (talk) 02:07, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I don't think we should use that source given Vox most like copied the Wikipedia article just like every other reliable source from that time. Says $105 billion in the article but It doesn't say where they got the number from. Timur9008 (talk) 06:37, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Okay. Treetoes023 (talk) 11:52, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * @Treetoes023 WP:CITOGENESIS is an ugly thing to untangle. The thing to check in most cases is, when Vox reported $105 billion, what did this article say at the time? December 20, 2021 was when the article was published. At the end of October 2021, this article said 105 billion. Prior to the Vox article, so Vox becomes circular reporting. -- ferret (talk) 18:22, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * This is the first time I've heard of citogenesis, and yet its existence does not surprise me. It is quite ironic that Wikipedia, a site that exists to document correct information, propagates misinformation. I wish luck to anyone that has to deal with the trouble of this. Treetoes023 (talk) 18:54, 12 December 2022 (UTC)

Dragon Ball
Whenever you look up the amount of profit for the Dragon Ball franchise, something around 23 to 30 billion dollars appears. Wikipedia for some reason is saying the franchise made only 17 billion: https://archive.org/details/dragonballzlegen00iked/page/144, https://datebook.sfchronicle.com/movies-tv/dragon-ball-super-broly-20th-film-of-anime-empire-opens-in-bay-area and https://nekokuma.com/113131/#toc4 Carambolax (talk) 15:46, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * As I said neither of these sources are reliable. The Book(which has been removed before and its doubtful the author would know such a high figure) or the other sources you provided. Timur9008 (talk) 19:18, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * But you excluded the sale of songs for being original Wiki research, so why did you leave the 17 billion instead of the 23-30 billion when the 17 billion is also original Wiki research? Carambolax (talk) 01:18, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Where exactly? half of "Music sales" was also unsourced if you've noticed. Timur9008 (talk) 10:51, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Sailor Moon's sources are not reliable either, but you guys considered. Why is Dragon Ball specifically different? Carambolax (talk) 21:41, 12 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Is your argument seriously "Other entries use unreliable sources so why can't I use unreliable sources for another entry"? You're going about this all wrong. Sergecross73   msg me  00:15, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Besides that, Sailor Moon had a reliable source. I'm pblocked Carambolax from this article. -- ferret (talk) 00:50, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Trusted source? How can a site that has nothing to do with any Sailor Moon related product be considered trustworthy? What is the criteria for considering this site but not considering countless other sites (Japanese included) that say that Dragon Ball is worth more than 20 billion? Lá Sei Não (talk) 01:18, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Who is doing everything wrong is the page. How do you let some sources and others not with exactly the same reliability? What is the criterion? If it was to do that, it would be better to have deleted the page right away instead of trying to redo it with criteria as dubious as the old one. Lá Sei Não (talk) 01:15, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Above is a CU confirmed sock of Carambolax. But I'll answer the question anyways. WP:RS is our guideline on reliable sources, of which Japan Times is unquestionable one. -- ferret (talk) 02:23, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

Why was Digimon deleted?
Were the sources outdated or wrong? Why hasn’t anyone tried to add it back with more reliable information? Banjoghhh (talk) 06:29, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Was WP:ORIGINAL.(x product multiplied by price). Maybe there is something in Japanese sources though. Someone should check there and maybe bring it back.
 * There is this + box office but its not enough to make on the list.(has to be $2 billion or more) Timur9008 (talk) 06:40, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

That’s literally from 2000 and we know that Digimon made far more than that now. What’s wrong with the sources that were given before exactly? Banjoghhh (talk) 06:52, 7 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Manga & comic sales, Digital pets, Console games and Home entertainment was all originall research.
 * Feel free to check yourself. was listed at $6.42 billion. The other merch sources included a book which can not be accessed. Timur9008 (talk) 07:07, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Reference 420 aslo lead nowhere. Timur9008 (talk) 07:12, 7 December 2022 (UTC)

Is there any more evidence than this to justify removing Digimon? Original research? Really? Also the link you provided leads to something Pokémon related. Do you really think that Digimon out of nowhere was said to be worth 6.42 billion? Banjoghhh (talk) 03:07, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * Do you have reliable sourcing to provide? We all know it's worth more. The problem is we don't have any source with a valid figure. -- ferret (talk) 03:24, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
 * As ferret said, we know its worth more. If you have any reliable  sources we can use feel free to provide and I will add them.
 * I should note I've searched for on how much Digimon made in the newspapers but there is nothing there. Timur9008 (talk) 08:29, 13 December 2022 (UTC)

What's up with the changes?
The article had sweeping changes. Apparently its due to Maestro manipulating numbers.

But some of the deletions make no sense. Pokemon games aren't part of the Licensed merchandise. Why would it be? Estimations are all removed for 'making up numbers' yet the article is built on the basis of estimations "The list includes the total estimated revenue figure and the revenue breakdown. Estimates are based on combined revenue from different media and merchandise, based on publicly available data.". WillsEdtior777 (talk) 20:42, 6 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I've reverted to the last clean version dated January 13, 2021. (without the original research, x product multiplied by price) Spent more than a week cleanup up Maestro's mess. As Phediuk pointed out License Global probably includes the games since it includes The Pokemon Company as a whole. The Licensing Letter only covers the merch..Pokemon is listed at 25 there(I don't have a subscription to The Licesing Letter)
 * The top of the article should be updated regardless. Timur9008 (talk) 21:05, 6 December 2022 (UTC)
 * That's an image in a forum. How is that credible?
 * I'm not sure I understand what Phediuk meant but why would License mag clarify its just merch? Video games aren't considered part of merchandise in any company. It would be ridiculous for a company to just have one department and call everything as merch profit.
 * As an example, this article about Mario. Is it authoritative enough? WillsEdtior777 (talk) 00:09, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I've asked Phediuk for comment.
 * Regarding the image. I've seen it before (The Licesing Letter once offered 3 articles free per month and I've used up mine)
 * The Mario IGN source(from 2020) is questionable because there were no numbers were issued for Mario(or Zelda). Timur9008 (talk) 04:55, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I do agree stuff like Pokemon Go should be added back.(+ the other mobile games) Timur9008 (talk) 05:02, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Hi, thanks for the ping. I am coming at this problem as someone who spent way too much time last year trying to clean up Jagged/Maestro's antics on here and other pages. This one still has their fingerprints all over it; consequently, we should be suspicious of everything on it that isn't a rock-solid, verifiable number. I reiterate that the Licensing Letter source does not indicate anywhere that its revenue figures exclude the games; Jagged/Maestro simply assumed so without reason. Why wouldn't the games be included? They are licensed products, and part of the franchise. Furthermore, what exactly is the IGN article's source for all of the Mario numbers? It doesn't say. Keep in mind that this page has been exceptionally susceptible to CITOGENESIS throughout its existence, so I suspect they got it from here. I feel that if there isn't a concrete, definitive figure sourced to the companies themselves, it shouldn't be on this page. I also feel we should get rid of any and all Frankenstein-style numbers and anything that uses other Wikipedia articles as its sources (of which there are still numerous examples on the page.) I do believe the page is salvageable, but de-Jaggedizing it will still take considerably more work. Phediuk (talk) 05:39, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I've spent now more than a week on this. An admin should still look over all the sources Timur9008 (talk) 06:09, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * The only thing on Mario i've found is this . Not sure whether we should use that. Timur9008 (talk) 06:18, 7 December 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure why you think the licensing letter should note the games exclusion? Does the marvel and star wars revenue explicitly say they exclude box office? WillsEdtior777 (talk) 04:24, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

you guys missed spongebob?
for some reason sponge bob is still listed as viacom cbs even tho they changed thir name to paramount like a year ago now so please fix it Nickiswerid (talk) 15:17, 15 December 2022 (UTC)


 * ✅ Timur9008 (talk) 18:48, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Ok good Nickiswerid (talk) 23:56, 15 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2023
You have forgotten One Piece (since you have put Dragon Ball in there). OP Media franchise worth 22B.€ just above Cars franchise. 217.136.98.67 (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌ please provide sources for this. Timur9008 (talk) 21:35, 2 January 2023 (UTC)

I added One Piece. The estimate so far, excluding the manga sales, is 11.795 Billion. The exact of course is greater than this number but for now, we don't have the data or other sources for the real numbers. Selenne (talk) 07:57, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

Avatar the last airbender is missing
It deserves to be on the list 203.40.2.139 (talk) 05:50, 14 January 2023 (UTC)

Why was Mortal Kombat removed from the list?
If I remember correctly, it was at least around the $5 billion mark, which qualifies it to stay on there, so why was it taken off? 2600:6C4A:1500:BC:113F:3724:D761:3FF1 (talk) 14:24, 15 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Check previous archived discussions about why several brands were removed. Some stuff is gradually being added back with proper sourcing Timur9008 (talk) 21:14, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 January 2023
Avatar the last airbender should be on this list 203.40.2.139 (talk) 05:49, 14 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌ No numbers were issued for it. Timur9008 (talk) 21:15, 15 January 2023 (UTC)

Avatar
Avatar is missing box office:$4.9B Home media:$429.8M total $5.4B 92.236.253.249 (talk) 18:20, 20 January 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Timur9008 (talk) 04:55, 21 January 2023 (UTC)

Pokemon
How does Pokémon dont have game sales included And like the whole list seems messed up since last time I checked it 2A00:F41:288F:B75E:0:4E:2EF0:A901 (talk) 10:16, 26 January 2023 (UTC)


 * Check previous archived discussions Timur9008 (talk) 10:57, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Naruto is missing from the list.
Why isn't Naruto on this list? After all, it's about 11 billion dollars in total networth. The list is inaccurate and misleading without Naruto on it. Please do make your research and edit it. Thank you! Aish Aishat (talk) 08:29, 8 February 2023 (UTC)


 * Check previous archived discussions about why some stuff was removed. The short version is that the numbers from the previous version of this page were inflated by an editor who is now banned. Hence the page looks different now.
 * Also, this source you provided is not accurate since it doesn't say where they got the numbers from Timur9008 (talk) 09:44, 8 February 2023 (UTC)

The Licensing Letter Source
Does anyone have access to the licensing letter publication specifically access to the articles related to properties/characters that surpassed $100mn in merchandise revenue? It is cited across this page, but for certain franchises we are missing some years, e.g. the Wizarding World which is missing revenue from 2004-2009.

I know there is the Wikipedia Library but does anyone know if this publication is available on there or if someone else has it if they can share it or maybe even populate it themselves. Thanks. 92.233.94.16 (talk) 08:19, 13 February 2023 (UTC)


 * As far as I'm aware TLL only covered merch sales between 2010-2018. Otherwise stuff for previous years would have been added already. Timur9008 (talk) 08:43, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Pokémon
Winnie the Pooh was put to first when that’s not accurate the list has been tampered with 204.83.75.44 (talk) 00:54, 5 February 2023 (UTC)


 * And so was the Hello Kitty section. I mean $18 Billion dollars only as of 2022-2023? Because Hello Kitty apparently never made any money before 2002 and the years 2003-2010, 2013, 2014, 2016, 2020, 2021, and 2022. Really? Cut off my thumbs and call me a four-fingered animal or better yet cut off my legs and call me short. Talk about blatantly hilarious ignorance and inaccuracy at best and downright serious inaccuracy and dishonesty at worst. When one article stated that figures published by Statista (a far more accurate and comprehensive source than this site) back in November 2021 (the article was published in February 2022) had Hello Kitty's revenue listed and pegged at $84.5 billion alone: https://www.forbesindia.com/article/lifes/hello-kitty-is-getting-a-new-lease-on-lifes-thanks-to-the-metaverse/73461/1
 * Not to also mention both Mickey Mouse and Anpanman being misrepresented here too.
 * The current state of this page just lends more proof and credence to the perspective that Wikipedia is far from a reliable and trustworthy source and totally not being sus. 100.37.246.102 (talk) 02:39, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * "Most valuable media franchise, worth..", not "has made x amount of money". Also, Statista is an unreliable source on Wikipedia, known to use statistics from other unreliable sources and even Wikipedia itself, without verifying them. -- ferret (talk) 02:44, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Gee I wonder why Wikipedia has a "Mixed" rating in Factual Reporting, while Statista is rated "High" in Factual Reporting on Media Bias Fact Check. And the article used on Statista didn't use Wikipedia as the only source, they stated "various sources" (I decided to contact the maker of that article to see what other sources they used). But putting all that aside, Statista may not be perfect or always completely reliable either, but from what I read, they still try to verify and check their sources far more strictly than Wikipedia.
 * Either way, so many media franchises on this page is currently severely downplayed or misrepresented in stats imho. That even other anime sites are using this as evidence. We should try to do a lot more to place our emphasis on warning others attempting to cite this page as evidence that not all statistics are exactly completely objectively factual or accurate. 100.37.246.102 (talk) 06:58, 12 March 2023 (UTC)
 * As Ferret said. Statista an unreliable source. They just copied the August 2021 revision of this article.
 * Here is the Statista page. as of "August 2021"(the month they copied). And here is the August 2021 revision of this article  (scroll below) Timur9008 (talk) 07:27, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Not only that, that page openly states "Sourced from Wikipedia", and links to this article. We cannot use circular reporting. -- ferret (talk) 18:34, 27 February 2023 (UTC)

Superman
Superman should be re added (sorry I didn’t know what else to say) Iacowriter (talk) 22:31, 1 March 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Sorry it took this long, I've been busy. Timur9008 (talk) 16:08, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Mobile Media
Does any one know why the some of the media groups from List of highest-grossing mobile games and other groups aren't included here? Oimate123 (talk) 05:12, 25 February 2023 (UTC)


 * That article much this like this one is the work of Jagged85/Maestro2016 and needs cleanup as well much like this one. I never got around to checking the sources for that page. Timur9008 (talk) 16:13, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

Final stretch
After almost 5 months I finished cleaning up all the Engish entries at this article and checking the sources. The only entries remaining are Dragon Ball(partially), Fist of the North Star, Neon Genesis Evangelion, Pretty Cure, and One Piece. If there are no objections I will remove these entries(given how they are calculated) and lover the threshold to $1 billion instead of $2 billion. Lovering the the threshold would add stuff like Tomb Raider, Crash Bandicoot, etc Timur9008 (talk) 11:37, 10 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I'm guessing these are all entries added by User:Maestro2016? Some of them might warrant inclusion if good sources are found and independently verified, but for now it seems fine to remove them to keep only entries with verified sources in the article. Siawase (talk) 13:21, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ forgot about Doraemon as well. These entries included links to sections created by Maestro2016 like One_Piece or Pachinko for example. Timur9008 (talk) 14:17, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Yeah, given inflation (like over decades, not the most recent wave), I'm not in a hurry to lower any thresholds. Axem Titanium (talk) 13:24, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * What about the Jagged 85 template? I'm ok with keeping the threshold the same. Timur9008 (talk) 14:18, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * If you attest that you've gone through all the sources to the best of your ability, then go ahead and remove it. You've earned it! Axem Titanium (talk) 19:15, 10 April 2023 (UTC)
 * ✅ Timur9008 (talk) 06:01, 11 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Popping in to thank you for cleaning up the article and the incorrect information within it! DecafPotato (talk) 05:54, 12 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2023
Add back $2.152 billion in home entertainment (anime licensing and home video revenue) for Dragon Ball. Wikipedia has verifiable sources on the Dragon Ball anime episodes page and it uses an unknown source like The Numbers. Also the manga tankobon sales are left out (it's important because Dragon Ball sold at least 260 million copies) and at least 6 billion in video game revenue.

Lastly, you removed the card game sales which was almost a billion. Dhochoy (talk) 09:13, 20 April 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌ Those sources need to be checked first with someone who knows Japanese. Also the manga tankobon sales was WP:OR(x product multiplied by price) hence I removed it. Timur9008 (talk) 09:32, 20 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Dragon Ball and its earnings are written in English with those reports.
 * Can't find the income for manga sales. Dhochoy (talk) 15:54, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Which reports?
 * Also The Numbers is not an unknown source WikiProject_Film/Resources Timur9008 (talk) 16:31, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * This source:
 * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Dragon_Ball_anime#Commercial_reception Dhochoy (talk) 18:12, 21 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That section was created by User:Maestro2016 a sock of a user banned for misuse of sources. There is a reason I didn't use it. Timur9008 (talk) 06:11, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 April 2023
I want to add One Piece to the list of Biggest Media franchises because its not there. Cralt (talk) 09:33, 22 April 2023 (UTC)


 * ❌ See Talk:List_of_highest-grossing_media_franchises
 * I've removed it because aside from this $1 billion figure from 4kids the other sources(the Japanese sources) need to be checked. Timur9008 (talk) 09:42, 22 April 2023 (UTC)
 * And I've already tried getting help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Anime and manga with no luck. Timur9008 (talk) 09:45, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

One Piece
Why is One Piece not on the list ? Cralt (talk) 14:35, 23 April 2023 (UTC)


 * The source you added (fictionhorizon.com) is not a reliable source as it cites this Comic Book.com article which itself cites this Wikipedia page. That's WP:CITOGENESIS Timur9008 (talk) 14:41, 23 April 2023 (UTC)

Pokémon main series and spin-off video game revenues not included
Why are the revenues of the Pokémon main series and spin-off video games not included in the total revenue of the Pokémon franchise? They contribute the second largest amount of revenue behind the Pokémon licensed merchandise. There is no reason not to include the revenues, especially because the revenues of the mobile video games are included. – Treetoes023 (talk) 17:32, 24 April 2023 (UTC)


 * A better question is, can you provide the sourcing? Because the answer to their exclusion is almost certainly "There was a sourcing problem." -- ferret (talk) 17:37, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Did you just come over here from Reddit to ask that? GottaFixItNow (talk) 17:40, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * That's included under retail sales/licensed merchandise.(License Global covers everything under Pokemon Company because that's all the Pokemon Company does is Pokemon). Mobile games is not retail neither is box office or Jet aircraft sales.
 * The Licensing Letter for example says in their reports that video game revenue is not included. exact quote "Does not include: Content licensing such as DVDs; products created through in-house divisions rather than through licensing agreements with third parties (e.g. toys at Mattel or Hasbro or Pokémon video games from Nintendo); or nonretail products such as touring shows, theme park attractions, cruises, gambling/lotteries, and the like." (registration required) Timur9008 (talk) 17:44, 24 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh okay, I was just confused. – Treetoes023 (talk) 17:47, 24 April 2023 (UTC)

Sailor Moon
I am kinda surprised that even with the strict measures of Pokémon and Dragon Ball (franchises which are estimated to be worth 90 and 20 billion respectively but this article ignores as it does not find the sources reliable) this article for some reason also says that Sailor Moon made 14 billions in merchandising even though there is only 1 single source of it and this souce also not being reliable?

The source who did say that Sailor Moon had 13 billion in merchandising, not only is it not related to ANY Sailor Moon licensed product, it also doesn't show where they got this information from, no link, no research, just a very dubious information thrown in the text.

I think it would be right to remove Sailor Moon from the list. 2804:1B3:70C1:3869:BDB5:D4A5:F13:A720 (talk) 21:00, 18 April 2023 (UTC)


 * Uh, the Japan Times is a reliable source. I'm not sure you understand what an WP:RS is in Wikipedia terms. This source pre-dates this list or the mess created by Jagged, so it's unlikely to be a citogenesis issue. -- ferret (talk) 21:23, 18 April 2023 (UTC)
 * There is also an older figure of $2.5 billion by 1996 from The Boston Globe. Timur9008 (talk) 06:07, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * You agree with me that there is a GIANT crater, between 14 billion and 2 billion, right? And one more time, the overwhelming majority of Japanese websites (the most reliable source), say that the Dragon Ball franchise has generated more than 20 billion in profit, why only this Article ignores it but consider an AMERICAN source of Sailor Moon that has absolutely NO connection to any official Sailor Moon product? 2804:14D:5CC6:9021:D486:5B02:A5B2:2AB0 (talk) 21:02, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Again, why would they be a reliable source in THIS CASE? As I said:
 * “The source who did say that Sailor Moon had 13 billion in merchandising, not only is it not related to ANY Sailor Moon licensed product, it also doesn't show where they got this information from, no link, no research, just a very dubious information thrown in the text.” (He wrote a whole paragraph about it.)
 * Japan Times in this case is as reliable as any other source (like this one, for example: https://www.titlemax.com/discovery-center/money-finance/the-25-highest-grossing-media-franchises-of- all-time/), since, as explained before, they are not correlated with any Sailor Moon properties and don't even mention where they got that information from.
 * Yes, the source is old but there is a source from 2004 that says Dragon Ball has already profited 30 billion around the world and even then you don't consider. Anyway, Speaking of Dragon Ball, the overwhelming majority of Japanese websites (the most reliable source), say that the Dragon Ball franchise has generated more than 20 billion in profit, why only this Article ignores it but consider an AMERICAN source of Sailor Moon that has absolutely NO connection to any official Sailor Moon product? 2804:14D:5CC6:9021:D486:5B02:A5B2:2AB0 (talk) 20:49, 25 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Why are you talking about Dragon Ball? Seen previous archived discussion regarding that. ($30 billion source was removed before when the article was initially created) ) I've replaced The Japan Times source with The Boston Globe one Timur9008 (talk) 03:23, 26 April 2023 (UTC)
 * I cited Dragon Ball only as an example of a not so reliable source, as both are Japanese animations I thought it was a good parallel. Thank you anyway, sorry if I was rude. 45.226.117.226 (talk) 22:36, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Box Office and home media
As i am struggling to add franchises i add them here for someone to place


 * Franchises/box office/home media/total
 * Captain America/2.3B/317.5M/2.6B
 * Black Panther/2.2B/104.3M/2.5B
 * planet of the apes/2.1B/157.6M/2.3B
 * finding nemo/2B/196.3M/2.2B
 * Titanic/2.2B/45.2M/2.2B
 * Bourne/1.7B/374.4M/2B
 * Chronicles of Narnia/1.5B/506.7M/2B

Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 17:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Timur9008 (talk) 08:15, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Update
I agree but 2002 is extremely old, so there should be something a bit younger like 2015 Braganza (talk) 11:14, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * There is none sadly Timur9008 (talk) 11:16, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * thats why it should be left there Braganza (talk) 13:09, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Ferret what do you think? Timur9008 (talk) 13:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * @Braganza @Timur9008 I'm gonna need ya'll to mention what franchise this is about and the explicit source this discussion is in regards to lol :P -- ferret (talk) 13:33, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * The Mario $7 billion figure(up until 2002) this edit Timur9008 (talk) 13:37, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Ok, so it was tagged as needing update, but there is no source to evaluate? That we suspect the figure could be updated, but without having any actual source, I would not put the tag in. We all know that EVERYTHING on this list can use updating, if we can just find the proper sources. -- ferret (talk) 13:50, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Mickey Mouse box office
I looked at Mickey Mouse box office can someone update it with what is below
 * film/box office/home media/total
 * Fantasia/$83.3M/TBA/$83.3M
 * Saludos Amigos/$1M/TBA/$1M
 * The Three Caballeros/$3.3M/TBA/$3.3M
 * Fun and Fancy Free/$3.3M
 * Melody Time/$2.6M/TBA/$2.6M
 * DuckTales the Movie: Treasure of the Lost Lamp/18.1M/TBA/18.1M
 * A goofy movie/$37.6M/TBA/$37.6M
 * Fantasia2000/$90.9M/TBA/$90.9M
 * Mickey's Magical Christmas/TBA/$2.7M/
 * Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers/$623,190/TBA/$623,190

total/$237.4M/$3.2M/$240.6M
 * Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 10:49, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Only added Fantasia 2000. Fantasia (1940) + DuckTales the Movie: Treasure of the Lost Lamp have been added already. Not sure what Chip 'n Dale have to do with Mickey Mouse and the other 2 sources are inaccessible. Timur9008 (talk) 11:19, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Chip 'n Dale are part of the franchise they have been featured with both Donald and goofy shorts, aswell as appeared in House of Mouse, DuckTales (2017 TV series) and Mickey Mouse Works Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 11:30, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Timur9008 (talk) 11:42, 29 April 2023 (UTC)

Box office for a goofy movie $35.3M Fan Of Lion King 🦁 (talk) 14:06, 29 April 2023 (UTC)


 * ✅ Timur9008 (talk) 14:35, 29 April 2023 (UTC)