Talk:List of highest-grossing openings for films/Archive 1

Changes
This page has potential but needs much improvement. For one thing, there should be a seperate section for Largest Single Day earnings. It would also be useful to note which films where released on Holiday weekends, and what their actual three day totals were. Elijya 06:13, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Halo 3
halo 3 beat everyone on thie page —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brandon boudreaux (talk • contribs) 20:51, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Wrong Halo 3 had a $300 million dollar gross in it first WEEK. Spider Man 3 as the list says has a $381 million (world wide) in its first WEEKEND.

Tickets v. Gross
I think it's inaccurate to claim that overall ticket sales are a better standard for this page. That would give an unfair slant to all films released before home video allowed people the luxury of watching a film without paying for a seat at the cinema. If we'd had VCRs before 1947, Gone With the Wind would not have had five times as many theatrical releases as a contemporary film. If there were to ever be a list on this page weighing seats over dollars, it should be split in two... before and after the wholesale of home video. The Betamax was released on May 10th of 1975, so the "modern" list should start on or around that date. 216.255.6.61 03:42, 7 October 2007 (UTC)


 * I don't think the above complaint is very important. You could also argue that the advent of television changed moviegoing habits, and so did the invention and popularization of the automobile, or many other inventions and societal changes.  Adjusting for inflation is obviously a good idea, and counting seats rather than ticket dollars is about the same as adjusting for inflation.  Tempshill (talk) 20:02, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

Past record holders
Some alleged former record holders may not have held the opening weekend record. The Empire Strikes Back earned $10.8 million in its biggest recorded weekend. Also the Temple of Doom's $33 million was its 4 day weekend. For others view this list: I'm not sure where the pre-1972 box office records came from, I can't find them anywhere else. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicbuff3643 (talk • contribs) 08:06, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Aquman
Shouldn't Aquaman be on this list? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Entourage_(TV_series)#Third_season.2C_part_1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.177.0.100 (talk) 21:28, 21 July 2011 (UTC)

Ranking of Films
If we have the inflation adjusted figures for the record holders both for of opening weekend and opening day, shouldn't the ranking order be done using the inflation-adjusted figure? Because doesn't that account for changes in currency, so for example, in the "Biggest opening weekends in U.S. and Canada" section, shouldn't Spider-Man 3 be ranked above The Hunger Games? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.41.20.222 (talk) 10:10, 8 May 2012 (UTC)

"Screen saturation strategy"
The lead says "Jaws, the first 'summer blockbuster', introduced the screen saturation strategy". What is "screen saturation strategy" suppose to mean to the reader? Is this a widely-known strategy known by the public? --MicroX (talk) 04:43, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Inflation vs Ticket Price Inflation
Are these adjusted for inflation via CPI (or some other broad economic measure), or actual ticket-price inflation? It's quite common to adjust for ticket price inflation when comparing (esp in the entertainment media) but I am not sure where that data would come from. The-Bus (talk) 05:41, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * The inflation columns appear to use Wikipedia's general built-in inflation adjuster. Betty Logan (talk) 08:42, 19 July 2011 (UTC)


 * "appear to use" isn't really a confirmation &mdash; and even if confirmed, I I would have to ask what expertise was used to create Wikipedia's inflation adjuster. Economists, let alone Wikipedia editors, don't all agree on exact inflation-adjustment figures, and the inflation calculators I've seen on the Internet give differing results, some of which are clearly and outrageously off. As an encyclopedia &mdash; theoretically the last and most authoritative word on something &mdash; the figures we put in this column are going to be taken seriously. We need to cite exactly where these numbers come from.


 * And any Wikipedia-created inflation-adjuster sounds pretty clearly like OR. We should be finding third-party sources. I'm pretty sure Variety and other trade papers have occasionally run inflation-adjusted tables based on national-average ticket prices &mdash; though trying to do that for every nation where a film is shown sounds almost impossible.


 * In the meantime, we either need to have a cite request in this column to signal that these figures may not be definitive, or we need to find verifiable third-party figures. --Tenebrae (talk) 17:09, 16 May 2012 (UTC)


 * Kudos to my colleague Betty Logan on her cite in the article. Good add. --Tenebrae (talk) 19:03, 17 May 2012 (UTC)

Opening Weekend
How much did The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies gross in it's worldwide opening weekend?--Editor49 (talk) 14:28, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Also, Age of Ultron grossed $201 million overseas and $191 million in the U.S and Canada, it grossed $201 million the week before it grossed that $201 million, so why cant we add the $205 million + $90 million total for The Battle of the Five Armies ? --Editor49 (talk) 14:31, 18 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Probably because it didn't do $295 million. The Battle of Five Armies grossed $122 million in its first weekend which is why doesn't make the cut. But maybe you would care to explain this edit where you added a bunch of fake films to the chart? Betty Logan (talk) 03:52, 20 June 2015 (UTC)


 * Correct, so Age of Ultron didn't do $392 million, http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=4057&p=.htm was April 26, 2015. And it then made $191 million the next week, which is added up to $392 million, but The Battle of the Five Armies made $122 million on December 12 weekend, http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3978&p=.htm, and earned http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3982&p=.htm nearly $90 million next week in the U.S and Canada, which adds to $212 million, why does that work for Avengers 2, but not The Hobbit 3? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Editor49 (talk • contribs) 15:37, 20 June 2015 (UTC)

Spectre
Spectre open in china to $283 millon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.38.157.176 (talk) 18:50, 16 November 2015 (UTC)

50
Should we limt the list to 5082.38.157.176 (talk) 15:49, 16 April 2017 (UTC)
 * I think there is some value in doing that but I think we should wait until the second chart reaches 50 entries as well because US weekends under $100 million aren't particularly notable anymore. Once it reached 50 entries all of the charts should probably be set to a top 50. Betty Logan (talk) 19:11, 16 April 2017 (UTC)

Requesting edit protection
There's just been plenty of vandalism and edit wars on this page in the wake of Avengers: Infinity War's release. This page might need to be protected for at least a week. Jonny2126 (talk) 19:07, 29 April 2018 (UTC)
 * Hopefully it will settle down tomorrow. If it doesn't I will request semi-protection for it. Betty Logan (talk) 20:24, 29 April 2018 (UTC)

Opening day record vs midnight
That table is disingenuous, since for the likes of Harry Potter, 1/3 of the box office was done during the previous calendar day. For the sake of fairness, that section should also have a "Top midnight opening BO". In 2013 over 10 mil midnight/opening day/total domestic:


 * Potter8: 43.5 million out of $91 million
 * Nolan Batman3: $30.64 million / $75.75
 * Potter?: $26.27 million/ $72.7 million/ $296 milli
 * Hunger4?: $25.2 million / $70.9 million / $424.7 millio
 * Potter?: 24 million / $61.68
 * Potter: $22.2 million / $58.1 million / $301.9
 * Hunger3?: $19.7 million / $67.2 million / $408 millio
 * Avengers1: $18.7 million / $80.8 million / $623 millio
 * Dark Knight: 18.5 million / $67.1 million / $533
 * SW?: $16.9 / $50 million / $380
 * Transformers?: $16.6 million / $62 million /$402
 * Ultron: $15.6 million / $68.9 million / $409
 * Hobit?: $13 million/$37.1 million / $303 millio
 * Potter?: $12 million / $44.2 million / $292
 * GotG: $11.2 million / $37.8 million / $307.9
 * CapAm?: $10.2 million / $37 million / $259.8

I suspect for the sake of maintaining such a list, keep a threshold at 20M or 25M. Nergaal (talk) 08:59, 4 May 2018 (UTC)


 * I don't know what you expect us to do with this source, Nergaal. Yes, the opening day includes preview grosses from the previous day but unless we have a *full* list of preview grosses it is not possible for us to do anything about this. I think we have to just accept that the opening day grosses also include Thursday evening previews; pretty much all big films have them now so the comparison is still apples for apples. Betty Logan (talk) 09:30, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * Logan, the workaround is to pick a sensibly high enough threshold (say 30M) and check all movies that got an opening day say double that threshold. Nergaal (talk) 17:19, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * There are preview numbers including start times at http://www.boxofficereport.com/previewgrosses.html. The Harry Potter films were actually at a time where previews started at midnight the same day. Later they moved to the previous evening. Normal box office days go from 06:00 to 06:00 the next day so Potter films opening day may be 30 hours including the next midnight to 06:00, but there were probably relatively few screenings there. Later films often have a 36-hour opening day from Thursday 18:00 to Saturday 06:00. It's confusing but this is how the studios report it and independent reliable sources accept it. PrimeHunter (talk) 11:06, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * I added it. All previews over 20M had over 58M openings. HP8 and SW7 have the worst multipliers (just under 50% were midnight showings). So even if the numbers in your link are not 100% precise, there should be no previews over 25M that didn't get 50M in the "opening day". Nergaal (talk) 17:52, 4 May 2018 (UTC)

Pirates opening
I noticed that World's End opened on Thursday at 7pm, and some sites list that as a Thursday opening. But if that is a preview, then the movie would make it above 50M opening day. Nergaal (talk) 21:03, 4 May 2018 (UTC)
 * It used to be the case that films that had Thursday takings (prior to midnight) were actually attributed to Thursday, which makes more sense when you think about it. If anything this is toxic mix of journalist sleight of hand and industry hype, so films look like they are getting bigger and bigger. In the last few years however midnight previews were brought forward and they were kept in with Friday takings. Unfortunately there is no way to separate Thursday evening previews from midnight previews. Now we have added the preview column does anyone think we should have a column for the non-preview total as well (for opening days and weekends) so we have a consistent comparison of data? Betty Logan (talk) 07:11, 7 May 2018 (UTC)

50/50
Can we change all of the lists to a top 50.Fanoflionking 19:46, 25 July 2018 (UTC)
 * I don't have any objections. It was me who instigated the thresholds but that was mainly because opening weekends below $100 million weren't particularly notable. This is no longer an issue though so it would make sense to go with a top 50. Betty Logan (talk) 20:40, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Transformers: The Last Knight
Does anyone know why Box Office Mojo does not include Transformers: The Last Knight on their chart? We have it listed at #43 in the global table but BOM does not have it listed at all. Even if you discount the US gross (it opened a week later) that would still give it a $199 million opening weekend which would see it place at #65 on the BOM chart. It looks like an oversight by BOM to me. Betty Logan (talk) 20:45, 25 July 2018 (UTC)

Proposing an alteration to the charts
In recent years we saw a rise in the chinese box office with the likes of Monster Hunt 2 ($187,908,839), Detective Chinatown 2 ($154,628,274), Hello Mr. Billionaire ($132,218,778), and The Mermaid ($120,481,288) having huge openings and some more to come, should we start adding this films to the lists and rename the sections to "Biggest opening weekends/days in a single territory"? I know we mostly use BOM charts as sources, but it doesn't make sense to have lists about biggest oppenings in a territory and not include releases outside U.S.! Up until now yes, the North American market was the biggest and all the top films on the lists came from there, but now it's a different time, with the China market growing (and possible even the Indian market in the next years) we should add this new release to the lists if they earn enough. DCF94 (talk) 18:32, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The main question is whether we can source it satisfactorily. If we can, then we should add the information. If we cannot, we should not. I'm more inclined to say we should make a new table for each new territory, however. TompaDompa (talk) 18:54, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The weekend openings can easily be sourced from BOM's International - China chart, and for opening days, I suggest http://english.entgroup.cn/boxoffice/cn/daily/, they are very reliable and have daily updates. DCF94 (talk) 18:59, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I support the proposal to add this information but not at the expense of the American charts which are valid records with a long-standing tradition. Perhaps the US-centric charts should be spun off to their own article? Betty Logan (talk) 19:00, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'm ok with that, the important thing is for this page to have factual data, since this isn't a U.S. specific page, if we're gonna have territory sections, it has to have those entries that I mentioned. And also we should NOT have "...in U.S." and "...in China" sections, because then we hit the "why not add sections for other countries?" wall, and that's not logistically possible nor needed. DCF94 (talk) 19:10, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * Although, I'm not sure how to deal with the Inflation part, is there an index that we can properly use? or should we scrap it all together? DCF94 (talk) 19:18, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * The two worldwide charts don't have inflation figures so I don't think it is absolutely necessary to include it. If you wanted to retain an inflation column I would suggest using the World Bank's global CPI for all figures. If you used different indeces for different countries you'd end up with the grosses changing at different rates which would make comparison worthless. Betty Logan (talk) 19:29, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll wait a couple of days for others, if they have something else to say, and if not I will add the new info and remove the inflation columns. DCF94 (talk) 19:57, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Can we do the same to List of highest-grossing openings for animated films?Fanoflionking 20:06, 16 August 2018 (UTC)
 * I'll get to it latter, when I have a little time. DCF94 (talk) 09:10, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2019
Avengers Endgame now has the record for the biggest worldwide opening weekend of $1.2 Billion Avengers Endgame now has the record for the biggest domestic opening weekend of $350 Million 72.205.131.34 (talk) 16:02, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. TompaDompa (talk) 16:05, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2019
There should be inflation adjusted lists as well. JimJongJung (talk) 20:23, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Here is such a table from Box Office Mojo. – Þjarkur (talk) 22:33, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate.

Avengers Endgame
Discuss any issues with Endgame being included on the list here!DisneyAviationRollerCoasterEnthusiast (talk) 13:48, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Well for starters, the entry failed WP:Verification. Where did the figure come from? TompaDompa (talk) 13:55, 28 April 2019 (UTC)


 * There are numerous problems with your additions. The purpose of the chart is to document openings. Not the first day of the opening, or half a weekend, but the full opening as defined in the introduction to the table: "Since films do not open on Fridays in many markets, the 'opening' is taken to be the gross between the first day of release and the first Sunday following the movie's release". Not even the website used for sourcing has added the gross as yet. Why? Because the weekend has not concluded. By adding an incomplete gross you are actually disseminating incorrect information. Wikipedia has numerous policies and guidelines against what you are doing: WP:Verifiability, WP:NOTNEWS, WP:RECENTISM and WP:CRYSTAL. The film and its full gross will be added when the information becomes available to us in a sourceable fashion. This will literally be within a few hours so it can wait until then. Betty Logan (talk) 14:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Actually they did add it. It just wasnt in the spot that you cited. https://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?id=marvel2019.htm
 * That is not the opening weekend, just the business up to yesterday. The opening weekend figures have not been published yet. It will almost certainly top $800 million worldwide by the end of the weekend. Betty Logan (talk) 14:49, 28 April 2019 (UTC)
 * Domestic is higher than BOM's current estimate: (https://twitter.com/GiteshPandya/status/1122892057364791301, https://twitter.com/ERCboxoffice/status/1122884667684687873), puts the most up to date number at $1,222,526,407. Leon Aves (talk) 18:01, 29 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.189.38.71 (talk)

The Lion King
has repeatedly altered the ranking of The Lion King to move it up to 3rd place with a gross of $542 million. This is editing against source, and respresents The Lion King's full gross after 10 days of release. As you can see from the source used in the chart, The Lion King is ranked at #47 with a global opening of $246 million. This comes from the domestic opening of $192 million this weekend and the foreign opening of $54 million from last weekend. Just because it opened a week earlier overseas does not mean you extend the foreign opening weekend up to the end of the domestic opening weekend. By this logic if a film opened in the domestic market a year later than its foreign release (say a Chinese release for example) then the whole foreign gross would count as the "opening weekend". Clearly this is not how Box Office Mojo calculates the "opening weekend". It takes the foreign opening weekend and the domestic opening weekend and adds them together. Now please stop corrupting the chart through edits that contradict the sources. Betty Logan (talk) 14:43, 23 July 2019 (UTC)

Don't understand that reversion
this use of the citation template seems erroneous. Those links aren't to pages that show that the movies made that much, they're only showing that the currency translates from a certain inputted amount to that much USD. That doesn't seem to source the data for the number at all, as one would (I would have thought) need something showing how much the film itself has grossed. Can you explain how these work as sources? The argument that they need to be replaced doesn't seem to be an argument for keeping them. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 10:34, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * From what I can tell the sources for the figures are at the top of the column, but the figures in the source are in Chinese Renminbi. Whoever added them has added a currency converter to each entry (presumably because the conversion rate fluctuates) to source the dollar equivalents. The dollar amount can only be corroborated through the citation for the conversion. I agree with you that the usage is odd and unclear and it needs to be made clearer, but if you remove citation to the currency converter then the conversion rate converting into the dollar figure becomes unsourced. Betty Logan (talk) 10:57, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * That amounts to original research though does it not? If a source isn't there covering this data in USD then shouldn't we use the original currency anyways? To me those basically are unsourced as they are now, so removing the links here isn't doing harm to the article. If nothing else, can we at least change the spammy/promotional link titles? &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 11:17, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * Currency conversions are permitted per WP:CALC. Betty Logan (talk) 11:26, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * After reading that I'm even more confused as to what your argument is here then. I was originally thinking you were saying a source was required because a conversion happened, but now you're pointing to this being just a common calculation and as we have To USD (which I know isn't followed by a source after any usage to show how the conversion was made) why on earth would we then only in this case have to be sourcing the conversion itself? Just use To USD if you're concerned about making sure the calculation is correct. &mdash; Coffee //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 12:54, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * I have no objection to using the template and if someone wants to replace the figures in the article with the template conversions I have no objection to that. But that is an argument for replacement, not removal. While the article has another set of numbers produced using a different dataset we need to retain the source, otherwise the figures are not verifiable. Betty Logan (talk) 14:04, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * This makes absolutely no sense. The numbers in the reference listed at the top of the column are in US dollars, and they're very different from what's on the page. Where do the Chinese figures come from? Why are they only sourced to a currency calculator? – bradv  🍁  19:16, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
 * The Chinese grosses come from source #21. These figures are in Chinese Remninbi and are then converted to US dollars using the currency converter in the sources that keep getting deleted. With out the source the link between the Chinese figures and the US dollar figure is lost. I didn't implement this and I agree it is confusing and that it needs to be overhauled, but deleting the sources isn't the solution, it exacerbates the problem. Betty Logan (talk) 19:20, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Additional issue with sourcing used

 * Upon further review, I'm not sure the cbooo.cn source is even reliable. In fact, the data listed on it directly contradicts the sources used for Avengers: Endgame. Sources we consider as actually reliable here state that the movie made $107 million USD and was the biggest box office open in China. Yet the cbooo.cn source of questionable reliability not only doesn't list the movie's opening in China, it lists Monster Hunter 2 as the top grossing film in China. Furthermore, the cbooo.cn link also lists "Canada/France" and on one movie even the "US/Japan" as combined/singular territories, which seems to contradict this line and reference from the article: "The United States and Canada are treated as a single box office territory in the film industry. " How is implanting one source of data on another, when they don't matchup at all, not a WP:SYNTH violation? &mdash; Coffee  //  have a ☕️ //  beans  // 20:54, 9 December 2019 (UTC)


 * I don't think that is synthesis. The country parameter in this case appears to be the nationality: https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cbooo.cn%2Ffirstday%3Fd%3D1. So for example, Monster Hunt 2 appears to be a joint Kong Kong/China production whereas Avengers Endgame is a US production. This is not uncommon; if you trawl through film articles sooner or later you will find one with joint nationality. The Harry Potter films spring to mind as an example of British-American productions. This is not synthesis on Wikipedia's part, but simply a reflection of the film's production background. Secondly, I have no position on whether cbooo.cn is "reliable" as defined by Wikipedia's standards; however it is reporting its figures in remninbi while Business Insider is reporting its figures in dollars. This will have an impact on how films are ranked because the dollar and remninbi have fluctated considerably over the last couple of years: https://www.xe.com/currencycharts/?from=USD&to=CNY&view=2Y. It may well be the case both sources are correct depending on the monetary unit they are using. In any case, I was not defending cbooo.cn or the approach the article took. My concern (as badly as it was done!) was that it would be impossible to verify the existing figures in the article if the conversion source was removed. I agree that using a template is a superior approach. Betty Logan (talk) 21:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

Box office
Endgame opening doesn’t make sense. 2601:C6:C300:2CB0:8103:CE6B:D35:4857 (talk) 00:06, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I have reverted some vandalism. PrimeHunter (talk) 04:02, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

For Jagged 85 and Maestro2016
It may not be related to what is being discussed here, but it may also be very related. Sockpuppet_investigations/Jagged_85/Archive may still be active.Whether or not Jagged 85 is active,I just want to warn Jagged 85 not to use more than 1 account or IP on the talk page.I'm not against sock puppets discussing with other accounts, but I'm against sock puppets using multiple identities to join discussions. Rastinition (talk) 15:26, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

International Openings

 * The Box Office Mojo chart used as the source for worldwide openings does not contain any info about for worldwide openings. It only has data for domestic(US+Canada) opening weekends and the final worldwide gross of the films. I suggest using a source that actually has worldwide opening weekend numbers.
 * Several films open at different times in different countries. Which weekend is considered the opening weekend? For example, films like Avengers: Infinity War and Star Wars: The Force Awakens opened in a few major markets like Russia and China at a later point of time, but the openings in those countries have not been included in the chart. On the other hand, for films like The Avengers, Avengers: Age of Ultron and Captain America: Civil War which opened at a later point of time in both the US+Canada market and Chinese market, only the opening figures of the US+Canada market has been included. Is there any reason for this? ~Rajan51 (talk) 6:40, 2 March 2021 (UTC)


 * The source for the chart has died and uses archive for the openings up to mid-2019. The entries that are unsourced are tagged; those are the ones that editors should be focused on. Also, the lead defines what constitutes a worldwide "opening":  Since many films do not open on Fridays in many markets, the 'opening' is taken to be the gross between the first day of release and the first Sunday following the movie's release. Box Office Mojo historically logged the the US opening and the overseas opening, and then just added them together, so it does not necessarily include every country if the film opened later. I admit it's not a great way of doing it, but these are generally the numbers that publications such as Variety reported as the global "opening". AS always we are limited to what the sources do, rather than best practises. Betty Logan (talk) 04:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * I think the same logic should also be apply to single-territory openings. A lot of markets don't always have Friday openings. In China, for example, it's common for many blockbusters to open on a weekday, especially Chinese New Year releases. For Chinese openings, it doesn't make any sense to just take the Fri-Sun earnings and ignore the actual Mon-Thu opening days for a lot of Chinese releases. Maestro2016 (talk) 19:58, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I think the weekend grosses for the US territory include previews, although I agree it is still not a "fair" comparison if weekends are different lengths in different countries. Personally I don't think we should be combining the weekend records from different countries under a single territory chart. It may be wort considering splitting the US stuff out to its own page and the same with China. Betty Logan (talk) 04:38, 18 April 2022 (UTC)


 * Maybe we could split the single-territory list into China and US/Canada lists? Since it's not really an apples-to-apples comparison between the two markets (differing opening days in both markets). Alternatively, we could go with an opening week, which would make it more comparable (7 days in every market). Maestro2016 (talk) 21:01, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
 * You're both overlooking the easiest solution here. Wikipedia is not a box office database and we need not try to cover every conceivable angle, so if we think the way the sources do it is inappropriate and can't source the way we think it should be done, we can simply refrain from trying to cover it altogether. I have therefore removed the single-territory tables for the apples-to-oranges reasons brought up above. TompaDompa (talk) 17:47, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
 * In line with the earlier proposals, I have split the single territory charts into separate charts rather than TompaDompa's easy, but in my view, non-constructive, deletion of useful content. Although it could be argued that the country content should be split off to country pages, the fact that most of the US openings were likely the highest-ever worldwide until such time as worldwide releases were a thing makes me feel that they are appropriate to keep on this page. Sudiani (talk) 14:29, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * In doing so, you have incorporated WP:Systemic bias into the very design of the page. TompaDompa (talk) 15:28, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * How so? Sudiani (talk) 16:27, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Because rather than taking a worldwide perspective, we're looking at two markets only. TompaDompa (talk) 16:51, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * There is a chart right there that states: Biggest worldwide openings on record - how is this not a worldwide perspective? The fact that there are additional charts for large countries is neither here nor there in my opinion. Would you only be satisfied if it contained the charts for every single country in the world? The article is called "List of highest-grossing openings for films". It does not specify that this is just for worldwide openings. Worldwide openings have only been a phenomenon in recent history, so to only focus on worldwide openings erases history which I think an encyclopedia should help bring to light. As per my earlier comment, it is very likely that the earlier openings in the US were the highest in the world at the time unless you have evidence to the contrary. If you want to be constructive and add more countries to give it a more global perspective, feel free. Sudiani (talk) 17:30, 3 July 2022 (UTC)
 * A global perspective isn't the sum of a handful of national perspectives. A global perspective is a global perspective. Adding a few national perspectives as you have done increases the amount of bias rather than decreasing it. TompaDompa (talk) 17:42, 3 July 2022 (UTC)

Multiverse of Madness' placement should be at #9
Multiverse of Madness' actual global opening weekend is $452 million, meaning it should be ABOVE Star Wars. The $450 million figure was just an estimate made before actual numbers came out, just like Deadline does for every film. The actual opening weekend figures are:

- $187 million domestic opening - $265 million international opening Total: $452 million TheLooseRap (talk) 13:40, 12 July 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not doubting you, but we'd need a source for that because we can't replace sourced content with unsourced content. Betty Logan (talk) 12:42, 13 July 2022 (UTC)

No problem! Here's Deadline's article for domestic actuals: https://deadline.com/2022/05/doctor-strange-2-box-office-1235018006/amp/

for international actuals: https://deadline.com/2022/05/doctor-strange-in-the-multiverse-of-madness-opening-international-box-office-1235016822/ TheLooseRap (talk) 04:34, 14 July 2022 (UTC)

✅ Betty Logan (talk) 13:31, 14 July 2022 (UTC)