Talk:List of hip hop musicians/Archive 1

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In subsection A below, listed are articles which are missing from the List of hip hop musicians. They were found by looking in the categories in subsection C. One can add more categories to be searched to subsection C, see some suggestions in subsection D.

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A: Articles missing from the List of hip hop musicians
9th Wonder -- Aceyalone -- Aesop Rock -- Aim (musician) -- Akrobatik -- Analog Brothers -- anticon. -- Arrested Development (hip hop group) -- Atmosphere (music group) -- Atoms Family -- Bahamadia -- MC Paul Barman -- Basehead -- Beastie Boys -- Big L (rapper) -- Bigg Jus -- Binary Star (band) -- The Black Eyed Peas -- Black Sheep (hip-hop group) -- Black Star (hip hop group) -- Blackalicious -- Braintax -- Brand Nubian -- Brother Ali -- Buck 65 -- Busdriver -- CLOUDDEAD -- Cannibal Ox -- Cee-Lo -- Chali 2na -- Chuck D -- Common (rapper) -- Company Flow -- The Coup -- Cunninlynguists -- D-Styles -- DJ Jazzy Jeff -- DJ Krush -- Dabrye -- Daniel Dumile -- Dark Lotus -- Dave Jonsen -- De La Soul -- Dead Prez -- Def Jef -- Defari -- Del tha Funkee Homosapien -- Deltron 3030 -- Digable Planets -- Dilated Peoples -- The Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy -- Diversity -- Divine Styler -- Doseone -- Dragon Ash -- Dream Warriors -- Edan -- El-Producto -- Emcee Lynx -- Eyedea -- Fatlip -- Michael Franti -- Freestyle Fellowship -- G. Love & Special Sauce -- Gang Starr -- Bobbito Garcia -- Ghostface Killah -- Giant Panda (group) -- Gift of Gab -- Gorillaz -- Grand Puba -- Gravediggaz -- Guru (rapper) -- GZA -- Handsome Boy Modeling School -- Heiruspecs -- Scott Herren -- Hi-Tek -- High and Mighty -- Ill Bill -- Inspectah Deck -- Irwin Plus -- J-Zone -- Jedi Mind Tricks -- Jeru the Damaja -- Jurassic 5 -- K-os -- KMD -- KRS One -- Kool Keith -- Lateef -- Latyrx -- Little Brother -- Lord Finesse -- Lyrics Born -- MC Lars -- MF Grimm -- Napoleon Maddox -- Madlib -- Main Source -- Masta Ace -- Masta Killa -- Masters of Illusion -- Mcenroe -- Mike Ladd -- Moka Only -- Monie Love -- Monsta Island Czars -- Mos Def -- Mr. Lif -- The Nextmen -- Noah23 -- Non Phixion -- Odd Nosdam -- Omega 1ne -- Organized Konfusion -- OutKast -- Paris (rapper) -- People Under The Stairs -- The Perceptionists -- The Pharcyde -- Pharoahe Monch -- Pip Skid -- Poor Righteous Teachers -- Prince Paul -- Princess Superstar -- Push Button Objects -- Q-Tip (rapper) -- QNC -- RZA -- Raekwon -- Recyclone -- Rodan (rapper) -- Roots Manuva -- The Roots -- Ursula Rucker -- Sage Francis -- Scapegoat Wax -- Scratch Perverts -- Shamako Noble -- Sister Souljah -- Sixtoo -- Slum Village -- Sole (artist) -- The Sound Providers -- Scott Storch -- Styles of Beyond -- Supernatural (rapper) -- Swollen Members -- Tai Mai Shu -- Talib Kweli -- Tech N9ne -- A Tribe Called Quest -- US3 -- Vast Aire -- Vinia Mojica -- Why? -- Saul Williams -- X-Clan -- Zion I -- 2 Skinnee J's -- Armand Navabi -- Commodore 64 (band) -- Dan Maynes-Aminzade -- Jesse Dangerously -- MC Frontalot -- MC Hawking -- Optimus Rhyme -- Chris Ward (rapper) -- YTCracker -- ?uestlove -- The Alchemist (producer) -- DJ Finch -- DJ Muggs -- J Dilla -- Grandmaster Flash -- DJ Green Lantern -- J-Rocc --

B: Place here articles not wanted either in the List of hip hop musicians or in subsection A.
List of gangsta rappers -- List of French hip hop artists -- List of alternative hip hop musicians -- List of Italian hip hop musicians -- List of white rappers -- List of rap metal vocalists --

C: Categories to be searched
The bot will look for potential additions to the List of hip hop musicians in this list of categories. You may add any other categories to this list, for example from subsection D below. Use the format Category:XXX (the colon shows up twice!).

Category:Hip_hop_musicians, Category:Alternative_hip_hop_musicians, Category:Nerdcore_hip_hop_artists, Category:Hip_hop_musicians_by_country, Category:American_hip_hop_musicians, and Category:British_hip_hop_musicians

D: Potential searchable categories
Move up to subsection C any categories which the bot should search for missing articles in the List of hip hop musicians.

Category:A Tribe Called Quest -- Category:Australian hip hop musicians -- Category:Jews in hip hop -- Category:Rappers by nationality -- Category:American hip hop groups -- Category:American rappers --

Refresh the above lists

"I think Freestyle Fellowship needs credit."
"I think Freestyle Fellowship needs credit."
 * I don't know anything about the Freestyle Fellowship, but I have a question. Will this be a list of different rappers, or are we to include rap groups/crews as well?  It might be a good idea to figure this out before we get a bunch of stuff that we have to cull from the list.

Two halves 01:50 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)


 * Maybe we should do:

--N.W.A.
 * Dr. Dre
 * Eazy-E
 * Ice Cube

Tuf-Kat

Mr. T.,
 * I like that, as you get the best of both worlds that way, with no repetition in the list. (I'm sure someone would argue that rappers like Dr. Dre have had more successful/influential solo careers, and need/deserve a heading rather than a subheading.  For me, this is not important.)  Let us commence...

Two halves 02:02 Mar 10, 2003 (UTC)


 * Something which hadn't occurred to me before, doing this means that some non-rappers are included. That doesn't bother me terribly with the disclaimer at the top, but it's worth considering.  Now the other issue is the literally dozens of aliases that some of these guys use (see the bottom of Wu-Tang Clan for an extreme example). Some, like GZA/Genius and Andre Benjamin/Dre/Andre 3000 are common enough that some readers might be looking for one and not realize they are the same, but others aren't and might make the list look cluttered.

Tuf-Kat


 * I removed Linkin Park because that seems like an incredible stretch. I'd be okay with including them on a list of hip hop artists, but I don't think anybody calls them a rap group.  Allmusic doesn't, for one.

Tuf-Kat


 * Can someone come up with a nice looking way of including that tag information like 'Deceased' and what-not?

Quoth


 * I removed the "BlacknAsian Krew" as I've never heard of them and can't find anything on google. I removed the lead singer of Linkin Park for reasons described above.

Tuf-Kat


 * I think some of what's listed here is self-promotion... Anyone wanna cull nobodies from the list?

Tuf-Kat 21:47, Jan 7, 2004 (UTC)
 * Who would you call a nobody? Some of the "artists" (Heavy Les Wanted, for one) on this list have nothing on AllMusic or Google. Others have very little info on Google. Some appear to be foreign (as in, not from the USA, or at least an English-speaking nation), with little or no presence in the English-speaking world... or at least the part of the world covered by AllMusic and Google. Jonna is a good example of this. There was a Jonna page on the SonyMusic Finland site, but not much of anything outside of that. Clearly the artists that don't appear to even exist should be cut, but what about those who are merely foreign and/or unpopular? Lots of the artists show up on both AllMusic and Google, but don't appear to be anything other than a minor player on the underground rap scene. Do they really belong here? punishinglemur 03:01, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)


 * What do people think about making this a list of only English/Ebonic rapping rappers, since the Wikipedia's been split up into it's different language variants?

Quoth 02:11, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Good plan... see my response to Tuf-Kat above for more on foreign/non-English rappers. punishinglemur 03:01, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * Wikipedia has been split up for users who want to read in various languages, not to divide up the content. An English speaker may want to read about Finnish-language rappers, for instance, and would not be advised to go to the Finnish Wikipedia and learn Finnish to do so.  I think this should remain list of rappers, though there's no reason there can't also be a List of Francophone rappers or whatever, as that could be useful as well.
 * As far as how famous one has to be, there is no real consensus on the issue -- that's what the talk page is for. Anybody that meets the following criteria is definitely eligible:


 * Has released a recording on a major label
 * Has worked with a performer already on the list
 * Has recorded for a minor/indie label if that label is reasonably well-established or prominent
 * Has had any kind of hit, even a relatively minor or regional one
 * Has gone on tours that cover a large region or an entire country


 * While these are obviously vague, I think they work as guidelines. It's probably best to just do what we want until there is a disagreement, and then work out what criteria are needed.  It isn't worth having a major discussion if there won't be a debate for quite some time. Tuf-Kat 21:05, Jan 22, 2004 (UTC)

Yeah, to be honest, it's a little insulting for Punishinglemur to speak of foreign rappers along with unpopular ones. Foreign rappers have often got much more street-cred than many of their American counterparts, as they haven't gone and sold out. I don't want to start some kind of rap war, but this is not an American page - it's international. If people want to make a list of U.S. rappers, they can go ahead: it would make sense to have one. But the 'List of Rappers' is open to people from around the world - being popular in the U.S. doesn't mean exclusive importance - please go and rethink your Americocentrism, cause honestly that is not what Hip-Hop or Wikipedia is about... Many English-speakers are interested in learning more about foreign rappers and many rappers from the U.S. have had collaborations with international artists. So they're interconnected and not some seperate entity. I think Tuf-Kat's guidelines sound reasonable though. --Pteron 00:48, 9 Mar 2004 (UTC)

B Dog should be B Real
In List of Rappers under Cypress Hill:

Cypress Hill B Dog Muggs Sen Dog

should be

Cypress Hill B Real Muggs Sen Dog


 * You can change this yourself! Click on "view article" then "edit this page", and you fix it. Tuf-Kat 04:19, Apr 21, 2004 (UTC)

Who is Afu-Raju?
i only know afu-ra (i added him, too). and i deleted the Rappin' Duke, because that's a song (by Shawn Brown), not the name of the rapper per se. User:Wathiik I'll also delete r&b singers such as aaliyah, coz they're clearly neither rappers nor hip hop musicians. wathiik.

R&B musicians
Looks like someone put aaliyah back into the list. well. i know some people see her as a rapper, but hey, I never heard her rap. i really think she should only be featured in the R&B list. wathiik
 * I really haven't listened to enough Aaliyah to have an opinion, but this is a list of hip hop musicians, not rappers. Tuf-Kat 22:31, Oct 21, 2004 (UTC)


 * List of rappers redirects to list of hip hop musicians. Perhaps it shouldn't. Otherwise, perhaps there should be an article with a list of other genres' rappers. Tim Ivorson 09:10, 22 Oct 2004 (UTC)


 * List of rappers should redirect to list of hip hop musicians. It's all just different terminology. And, no, Aaliyah was never a rapper, she was strictly an R&B singer. --b. Touch 00:45, 5 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Cash Money Millionaires
It seems like all the Cash Money Millionaire rappers are all scattered, should I put them all together? Mets15
 * Organize them by their actual groups (Hot Boys and Big Tymers). Don't lump all of the label's artists in one group. --FuriousFreddy 19:17, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No, the Cash Money Millionaires are a group, they work for the label Cash Money Records. (My proof:http://music.aol.com/artist/main.adp?tab=main&artistid=451718&albumid=0)Mets15 15:25, 9 August 2005 (UTC)
 * No..."Cash Money Millionaires" is a blanket term for the artists on the label. It literally includes the entire current (for whatever time period) roster of the Cash Money label. Motown's artists performed and toured together all the time, but the "Motortown Revue" is not a real group. Notice that in the AOL Music page you linked for proof, the only included music are the two soundtracks for Cash Money's direct ot video compilations, Baller Blockin' and Undisputed. They should not be grouped together on this list. --FuriousFreddy 14:41, 23 August 2005

just-ice
you will burn in hell unless you add him, i wont cuase im a lazy bastard!, muauhahahaha!!!

split
theres an article called list of rappers that overlaps a lot with this. we should split it all into list of rappers] list of producers, list of dj's, etcetera. makes more sense.--Urthogie 04:45, 29 December 2005 (UTC)


 * Good idea. Later today I will remove the entries in this list of hip hop musicians which also exist in list of rappers. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 22:41, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Wait a second, it seems that they are one and the same article, with list of rappers redirecting to list of hip hop musicians. So I guess there is nothing to do. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 01:48, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Well this is because we had this massive article until now. The split makes sense, as list of rappers has tons of incoming links, and the split is unapposed.--Urthogie 13:36, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I see. But then I can't help. I thought you had two different lists with overlaps, while it seems you have just one list. So I guess a human being and not a bot needs to think carefully which items go where. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:31, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I came up with a solution at your talk page.--Urthogie 19:51, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Proposals for the list of hip hop musicians
There have been 20 days without opposition to this split to list of rappers. I'll give three more days for anyone to voice opposition in any form before going forward with this move. Thank you!--Urthogie 22:29, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

In more detail, the suggestion is as follow: (copied by Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 01:29, 22 January 2006 (UTC))
 * How about copying links from (Category:Rappers, Category:American_rappers, Category:British rappers, Category:Canadian_rappers, Category:White_rappers, List of gangsta rappers, and Category:Female_rappers) to List of rappers (which is no longer a redirect) as well as removing them from List of hip hop musicians? &mdash;The preceding unsigned comment was added by Urthogie (talk &bull; contribs).


 * OK, so I created list of rappers by getting people from the categories you told me about right above. Then, I removed these people from List of hip hop musicians. I moved the redlinks from List of hip hop musicians to List of hip hop musicians/Redlinks.


 * I did not create List of rappers/Redlinks, because so far we don't have any red links in List of rappers. I also did some sectioning at List of rappers. I guess that's all you asked. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:05, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

This is great! Thank you thank you thank you! There's only two things I could think of asking at this point: 1)At some point(can be in several weeks, whenever is good for you) could you further split the lists along the lines of List of hip hop groups and List of hip hop DJ's and producers-- to the point where list of hip-hop musicians is just a disambiguation page that links to the others? and 2)Is there a way for the bot to pipe the links that have (rapper) and (band) in their name to just have the group name?

Thanks so much. You have no idea how much easier this makes it for people to find who they're looking for and for editors to add content to week articles. Thank you!--Urthogie 13:17, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * OK, let us see what other people think about the new changes, and I will get to it this week. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Sounds good-- below I gave everyone another chance to oppose(it seems like most people don't care; people probably haven't been watching this page because it was so big/unwieldy before your bot) below. Would you mind piping the links if/when all the pages are divided?--Urthogie 17:48, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, so you mean writing Akhenaton (rapper) as Akhenaton I think. I will do it today at the list of rappers.

PS: It seems that there are still some redlinks left at List of hip hop musicians. I will move the remaining ones to List of hip hop musicians/Redlinks also, later today. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:56, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks!--Urthogie 18:33, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Done with removing the remaining redlinks and piping. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

redlinks
Thanks to the wonderful work of the mathbot, you can now sort through the redlinks at List of hip hop musicians/Redlinks!--Urthogie 10:37, 25 January 2006 (UTC)

Yet another split
Does anyone oppose splitting this page to the point of disambiguation so that in addition to linking to List of rappers, this page also would link to List of hip hop groups and List of hip hop DJ's and producers? Please voice any opposition below.--Urthogie 17:46, 25 January 2006 (UTC)


 * How would you go about the split, based on what criteria? I mean, how should I teach my bot which is a producer and which is a DJ, and which is a hip hop group? Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Hip hop producers and DJ's would be on the same list. Hip hop groups would be a seperate one.

Categories for Producers/DJ's:
 * Category:Hip_hop_DJs
 * Category:Hip_hop_producers

Categories for Hip-hop groups:
 * Category:Hip_hop_groups

One last thing I thought of, by the way-- could you remove the rappers from List of alternative hip hop musicians and then copy/add the remaining guys into List of hip hop musicians. Once List of hip hop musicians was done, then you could split it into List of alternative hip hop groups, List of alternative hip hop rappers, and List of alternative hip hop DJ's and producers. That would basically sort all of the hip-hop lists out.--Urthogie 11:13, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * So, you want the producers from Category:Hip_hop_DJs and Category:Hip_hop_producers to go in List of hip hop DJ's and producers, and the hip hop groups from Category:Hip_hop_groups. What will we do with titles in list of hip hop groups which turn out to not fit in any of the new lists?


 * About the last thing you asked, I will work on it after we clarify what to do with the DJs and producers. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:53, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * I think I miscommunicated my point-- I'm saying that List of hip hop groups would be its own article, getting its listings from Category:Hip hop groups...so it would be a good thing if its entries turned out "not to fit any of the [other] lists".--Urthogie 16:59, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey, you are fast. :) I had made a mistake. So, you want articles from list of hip hop musicians split off to the List of hip hop DJ's and producers and List of hip hop groups. What to do with entries in list of hip hop musicians which don't fit in the new lists? Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:07, 26 January 2006 (UTC)
 * There will be so few that I'll manually do it. But before we turn it into a disambiguation page that links to the other lists, I'd like to add a bunch more stuff to sort through(from various "musicians" categories and lists) and sort through as we did before the rappers, groups, djs/producers, etc.  I'd be happy to keep alternative hip hop musicians as it is(except for the redlinks, which would be good to move to List of alternative hip hop musicians/Redlinks).  Sorry if thats confusing(ask for clarification and I'll detail any point here)--Urthogie 17:32, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

OK then, so let us do it that way. You write in detail what you want me to do, one step at a time. Let us start with three very specific/very detailed tasks you want me to do. I will get to it in several days. After we are done with that, you write something else. So, go ahead. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 18:58, 26 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Move red links on List of alternative hip hop musicians to List of alternative hip hop musicians/Redlinks
 * Copy List of alternative hip hop musicians(after step 1), Category:Hip_hop_musicians, Category:Alternative_hip_hop_musicians, Category:Nerdcore_hip_hop_artists, Category:Hip_hop_musicians_by_country, Category:American_hip_hop_musicians, and Category:British_hip_hop_musicians to List of hip hop musicians.
 * Make sure not to put in duplicates.
 * Pipe the names.

Theres a couple steps for now. Once you've done that I can explain further. Thanks a million!--Urthogie 15:48, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Yeah, I like thanks with the million, but assignments one by one. :) Will do. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:10, 27 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I am kind of slow. I moved the redlinks, and will continue tomorrow. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:37, 30 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Done! I had a bug in my code, and that's why I did a bunch of edits, as you can seee from the page history, but that was fixed, so now list of alternative hip hop musicians and the articles from the categories above are added to the list of hip hop musicians. Next? Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:50, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Remove all rappers found in List of Rappers from List of hip hop musicians (that includes the stuff in section A on the talk page). Once that's done there's still a couple things to do.  Thanks!--Urthogie 09:53, 31 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I should remove from List of hip hop musicians the items found on section A on which talk page, talk:List of rappers or talk:List of hip hop musicians? Just to make sure. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 21:09, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * From List of rappers. Anything on section A on list of rappers talk page, remove those links from list of hip hop musicians along with the entirety of list of rappers.--Urthogie 21:18, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for your message on my talk page. I won't have time to do this today. I will try Friday. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 15:50, 2 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Done, that was easier than I thought. Next, sir? Being weekend, I will be able to do more things, so pile on a few. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:06, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Copy all the articles in Category:Hip hop groups, Category:American_hip_hop_groups, Category:Canadian hip hop groups, and Category:United_States_hiphop_musical_group_stubs into the article I just created, called List of hip hop groups.
 * Pipe the names as before
 * Remove all articles listed in List of hip hop groups from List of rappers and List of hip hop musicians.

We only got a few steps left. Tell me when you're done! Thanks, --Urthogie 15:35, 4 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Done. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 01:57, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

We're very very close to having List of hip hop musicians into the type of disambiguation page I'm aiming for! Thanks!--Urthogie 15:15, 5 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Copy all the articles in Category:Hip hop producers and Category:Hip_hop_DJs into the article I just created, called List of hip hop DJ's and producers.
 * Pipe all the names as before
 * Remove all the links on list of hip hop DJ's and producers from List of hip hop groups and List of hip hop musicians, but  NOT  from List of rappers (as there are many producing rappers).
 * Done! Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)

thanks, --Urthogie 13:05, 6 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Remove anything that is currently on List of hip hop musicians and simultaneously on Category:Music_producer_stubs or Category:DJs stubs
 * Is there a way of removing all redirects from List of hip hop musicians?


 * It is possible to figure out the redirects, by downloading all the articles and checking them. By the way, why not first add all the items in Category:Music_producer_stubs or Category:DJs stubs the appropriate lists, and only later remove them from the List of hip hop musicians? Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:51, 10 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea about adding stubs to article lists first. As far as redirects, I thought of a method that doesn't require download-- just check for articles with no categories? (or would that not work because your script would assume that redirects are in the same category as the page they redirect to?)--Urthogie 08:02, 10 February 2006 (UTC)

I removed the entries, but then I realized that all those people in Category:Music_producer_stubs and Category:DJs stubs may not be appropriate in List of hip hop DJ's and producers, so I did not add them. Next? (PS I was slow this week, usually weekends are freer.) Oleg Alexandrov (talk)
 * Oh, and you can't figure out which are redirects by seeing which are missing from categories. Some articles may not be categorized. I will work tomorrow on removing the redirects, that would require me writing a new program, so will be some work. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:48, 11 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Aside from redirects, remove everything from list of hip hop groups, category:hip hop collectives, and category:american musical groups from the list. thanks, --Urthogie 17:34, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Will do later today. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:39, 12 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Done, there was only one in common, Black Star (hip hop group). Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 00:09, 13 February 2006 (UTC)


 * That's strange, because there are still groups like 2 Skinnee J's on it, which are in Category:American musical groups, and articles like CLOUDDEAD, which are in Category:American hip hop groups... Aside from making sure that the previously mentioned categories' articles are not on this list, could you additionally remove articles that are in Category:United States hiphop musical group stubs?  Thanks.--Urthogie 17:56, 13 February 2006 (UTC)

I also thought something was strange. Will get to it. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 00:09, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Split (continued)
So, I removed the articles form Category:United States hiphop musical group stubs,Category:hip hop collectives, and Category:american musical groups, now for real. Anything else? Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:37, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Category:American rappers and Category:Rappers seem to still have several articles there(for example, Guru or Eve). Get rid of those?
 * Yes, same issue with above, I might have left articles in from those categories, will do. Are there other categories you want me to deal with? You could list them all, and I could deal with all at the same time. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Done with that. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:34, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Remove all articles except the list itself from Category:Hip hop musicians(this category should just lead to other categories, similar to the list).
 * That is complicated, it would require going through all the articles in that category and decategorizing them. Could be done with a bot, but it would be better to do by hand, as many of those would neeed recategorizing, and somebody who knows what he is doing should work on that (meaning not me :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

Thanks--Urthogie 11:55, 14 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Move all articles with no category(which is the majority of whats left) to List of hip hop musicians/Unsorted.
 * I think that the thing to do would be to rather recategorize those first, for each and every one where they belong, and only then remove them from the list. As otherwise, we will end up with articles which are neither categorized, nor listed anywhere, which I think is not a good idea.


 * Wonder what you think. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 16:14, 14 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, I can manually do it. You could help by first removing all articles that are in list of hip hop groups, list of rappers, and list of hip hop DJ's and producers from Category:Hip hop musicians, and I could deal with the articles that remained.--Urthogie 21:02, 17 February 2006 (UTC)


 * To clarify, you want me to remove them from Category:Hip hop musicians or from the List of hip hop musicians? If the category, I can do that, but then you would need to go through each article and see if (an)other category(ies) should be put instead. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 02:06, 18 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I think you've already removed the ones on other lists from List of hip hop musicians, so just from Category:Hip hop musicians. Also, I will manually go through each one that doesn't have a category, but the thing is I'm betting most of those on the other lists have categories, because that is how those lists were created(by searching categories).--Urthogie 14:29, 18 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Done. I checked my bot's contributions, and I think I saw an entry which may need to be recategorized. It would be good if you go through what my bot did (Special:Contributions/Mathbot) and see in more detail what may need to be done. Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 01:32, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Ok, I'll go through the category manually now and tell you when I'm done.--Urthogie 13:09, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
 * *exhale* Done. Can you re-search the categories associated with List of rappers, List of hip hop DJ's and producers, and List of hip hop groups, then add them to the respective lists, then remove the articles in those lists from List of hip hop musicians?  There should be very little left at that point.--Urthogie 14:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

Done! Note that I think there are a couple of musicians having same article. See Lil' Boosie, Lil Boosie, and Freeman (Rapper), Freeman (rapper). If you merge them one way or the other, their entries will need to be updated in the List of rappers. Cheers, Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 05:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm in the process of giving a lot of them categories manually. In a day or so I'll tell you the next couple steps(we're pretty close to being done).  Peace, --Urthogie 11:18, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

K. I've given a category to everything on the list thats not in Category:Alternative hip hop musicians, Category:Nerdcore hip hop artists, Category:Celtic_hip_hop_musicians, Category:British_hip_hop_musicians or Category:American hip hop musicians. But wait up :). Before you do the list refilling thing with the bot, could you first do the following: After you do that, I'll add the appropriate categories(I won't remove the existing ones) to the articles in that list.  From there, we'll have eliminated this list.  At that point I'll just turn this into a disambiguation page!--Urthogie 16:28, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
 * Create a subpage that lists all articles in Category:Alternative hip hop musicians, Category:Nerdcore hip hop artists,Category:Celtic_hip_hop_musicians, Category:British_hip_hop_musicians and Category:American hip hop musicians that aren't on the other lists(i.e. groups, rappers, DJ's/Producers).
 * Will do one of these days. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 17:01, 20 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Ok, sorry for piling on yet another thing, but heres what I thought of: it would probably make sense to add everything in Category:Alternative hip hop musicians to List of alternative hip hop musicians and use that list instead of the category for the creation of the subpage(and use the previously mentioned categories, as well).  Thanks for helping with this!  Thanks, really mean it.--Urthogie 17:54, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

OK, so your request above, I list below all items in

List_of_alternative_hip_hop_musicians, Category:Nerdcore hip hop artists,Category:Celtic_hip_hop_musicians, Category:British_hip_hop_musicians and Category:American hip hop musicians

which are not in

List_of_rappers List_of_hip_hop_groups List_of_hip_hop_DJ's_and_producers

Here they are, below, and note that hugest number of them is from the List of alternative hip hop musicians, and so just a few are not in any list whatsoever.

I did not quite understand why you wanted to list items in List of alternative hip hop musicians which are not in the other lists, but I did it. :) What's next, if anything? Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 03:38, 25 February 2006 (UTC)


 * G Love and Special Sauce
 * Gorillaz
 * Prefuse 73
 * Copywrite
 * Arrested Development (rap)
 * Warcloud
 * Shapeshifters
 * Souls of Mischief
 * Push Button Objects
 * Commodore 64 (band)
 * Dose One
 * C-Rayz Walz
 * Supernatural
 * Pharrell Williams
 * Louis Logic
 * Black Sheep (hip-hop group)
 * Murs
 * Rhymefest
 * YTCracker
 * Jay Dee
 * Del Tha Funkee Homosapien
 * Clarence Holmes
 * Freddy J. Brown
 * Demigodz
 * K'Naan
 * Quannum
 * Dr Doom
 * Big L (Lamont Coleman)
 * Sarah Jones
 * Organized Konfusion
 * Chief Xcel
 * Deep Puddle Dynamics
 * Buckshot Lefonque
 * Fort Minor
 * Defari
 * Witness
 * Zev Love X
 * Stronghold
 * Sister Souljah
 * Diversity
 * Dan Bull
 * Jedi Mind Tricks
 * 2 Skinnee J's
 * Killarmy
 * Handsome Boy Modeling School
 * Kid Creole
 * J Live
 * Black 47
 * Apollo
 * Kyper
 * Styles of Beyond
 * Foreign Exchange (group)
 * Masta Ace
 * Rakaa
 * Bad Seed
 * Hieroglyphics (hip hop)
 * MF Doom
 * Tai Mai Shu
 * A.B. Quintanilla
 * MC Hawking
 * Diverse
 * Prime Cuts
 * Fatlip
 * Dee Eye Zee
 * Insight
 * Viktor Vaughn
 * Atmosphere (hip hop group)
 * Blockhead
 * Divine Styler
 * King Geedorah
 * DJ Jazzy Jeff
 * Living Legends
 * Croup (artist)
 * Madlib
 * Roscoe
 * Rhymesayers
 * Pete Rock and CL Smooth
 * Jeru the Damaja
 * Last Poets
 * Vinia Mojica
 * Optimus Rhyme
 * DJ Vadim
 * Mr Lif
 * Aim (musician)
 * Imani Coppola
 * Tonedef
 * P.O.S.
 * Madvillian
 * Twiztid
 * Cage
 * Versatile
 * G. Love & Special Sauce
 * Chopper Young City
 * Grandmaster Flash
 * MF Grimm
 * Adeem
 * Mixmaster Mike
 * El-P
 * Irwin Plus
 * Dan Maynes-Aminzade
 * Zap Mama
 * X-Clan
 * Armand Navabi
 * Kazi
 * Ursula Rucker
 * Edan
 * Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy
 * Latyrx
 * Garrett Dutton
 * Inverse
 * Manau
 * X-Ecutioners
 * Chali 2na
 * Binary Star (artist)
 * Def Jef
 * Arecee
 * Akrobatik
 * Quasimoto
 * List of alternative hip hop musicians
 * Brother Ali
 * Dabrye
 * Lord Finesse
 * 13
 * Hangar 18
 * Scott Herren
 * Futuristic Sex Robotz
 * Deltron 3030


 * Whats next is I'm gonna categorize them so that they'll go into lists. I'll tell you when I'm done.--Urthogie 12:59, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Rapper vs. hip hop musician
I've recently read the talk pages for both lists and don't entirely understand how one differentiates between someone belonging on list of rappers vs. list of hip hop musicians. I am just wondering, what are the criteria that distinguish the two. Specifically - why, for example, why is Notorious B.I.G. or Daddy Yankee listed as hip hop, while, say, Cassidy or  M.I.A is listed as a rapper? Why is Lil Bow Wow listed in hip hop and Bow Wow listed as a rapper? Why is k-os listed in both? (Sorry if this sounds accusatory, it isn't meant to be, I just noticed the two lists and didn't understand the differences between them.) Zafiroblue05 04:03, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * That's a question I would like to ask also. :) Oleg Alexandrov (talk) 06:51, 29 January 2006 (UTC)
 * We are in the process of putting all the hip hop musicians into the appropriate category. Until its done we'll have some guys in the wrong place.  Feel free to help with moving the rappers.--Urthogie 12:14, 29 January 2006 (UTC)

Redirects removed from the List of hip hop musicians
--2pac --Adeem --Anaphylactic --Arrested Development (rap) --Asheru --Atmosphere (hip hop group) --Az --Bad Seed --Big L (Lamont Coleman) --Big Punisher --Binary Star (artist) --Buckshot Lefonque --C-Rayz-Walz --Cartel (rap) --D Block --D12 (band) --Das Efx --Deceptikonz --Disposable Heroes of Hiphoprisy --Diverse --DJ Kool Herc --Domino --Dose One --Dr Alban --Dr Doom --El-P --Eric B. --G Love and Special Sauce --G. Love & Special Sauce --Gabriel o Pensador --Grandmaster Flash --Group X --Hip Hop Hoodios --Honky --Ice MC --Ice-T --J Live --J. Rawls --Jay Dee --Jin (rapper) --K'Naan --Killarmy --King Geedorah --King T --Knoc-turn'al --Kottonmouth Kings --Kriss Kross --L.A. Symphony --Last Poets --Lil Bow Wow --Lil Kim --Lil' Wayne --M.O.P --Madvillian --Maestro Fresh-Wes --Marky Mark --Master Ace --MC Ade --McGruff --MF Doom --Mighty Casey --Mr Lif --MUD Family --NAP --Naughty By Nature --Noreaga --Notorious B.I.G. --Outlawz --P.O.S. --Pete Rock and CL Smooth --Prefuse 73 --Quan --Quannum --Roll Deep Crew --Roxanne Shante --Run-DMC --Shapeshifters --Silkk The Shocker --Sir Mix-A-Lot --Stereo MC's --Suave Sonny Caeser --Taz --Tego Calderon --Terror Squad --Tha Eastsidaz --Tha Trademarc --The East Side Boyz --The Future MC's --The Geto Boys --The J-Wess Project --The Lox --Tonedef --Too Short --Triple 6 Mafia --Tyrese --U.T.F.O. --UNLV --Viktor Vaughn --Warcloud --Zach de la Rocha --Zev Love X