Talk:List of historical tropical cyclone names

Major Reconstruction (East Pacific)
I've looked through all of the name lists and I think that the Atlantic name lists are the most organised. I think that all the other name lists should only contain ten years of names, then be placed in a different set. For example: 2000-2009, not 2000-2015. I think it would make it much more organised; I am currently on vacation and won't be back for awhile, it would be helpful if someone helps me with this reconstruction. STO12 (talk) 00:39, 18 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Reconstruction finished! The East Pacific names are now more organised than before. STO12 (talk) 02:02, 14 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Dare i say it, but the lists were set to 15 years by me, as i felt it was better for the sizing, so we didnt have to scroll through 6 sections of EPAC names.Jason Rees (talk) 16:24, 15 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Well we also have to scroll through several lists of names on the Atlantic portion, and especially in the Western Pacific. So if the names are to be set for a 15 year period, then all of them do, or the article wouldn't be very organised. This means that there is a lot more to fix on this article if the East Pacific needs to look that way. STO12 (talk) 02:25, 16 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Thats what i was planning to do a couple of years ago, when i expanded this article out.Jason Rees (talk) 18:59, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

Working progress
I've been working on creating a link for every storm on this article, it may take awhile, but if Someone would like to help me then that would be most appreciated. STO12 —Preceding undated comment added 19:37, 22 December 2011 (UTC).


 * Every storm name doesn't need to be linked. For storms which have separate articles, I think this is great.  But, adding links that just point to a section of the season article when the season article is already linked at the top of the column, just adds unnecessary clutter.  It's much easier for the reader to recognize when there's an article dedicated to a single storm when those are the only storm names that appear colored in their browser, and having multiple links to the same article also makes the saved version of the article unnecessarily long. LarryJeff (talk) 22:35, 9 January 2012 (UTC)

Discrepancy in Naming
In the "North Pacific east of 140W" section, "Names effective 1960-1977" subsection, the third list refers to "Aletta" but the retired list says that Adele was replaced by "Alleta". Anybody know which name is actually correct? --Quelloquialism 10:32, 7 December 2005 (UTC)

please edit this
this article is confusing and vague. Kingturtle 21:08, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Modern Retired Names?
Shouldn't names retired from the modern lists also be listed here since they are 'old' and will not come into use again? They aren't covered here or in the hurricane naming article.

In the Atlantic, those would be:


 * David (1979)
 * Frederic (1979)
 * Allen (1980)
 * Alicia (1983)
 * Elena (1985)
 * Gloria (1985)
 * Gilbert (1988)
 * Joan (1988)
 * Hugo (1989)
 * Diana (1990)
 * Klaus (1990)
 * Bob (1991)
 * Andrew (1992)
 * Luis (1995)
 * Marilyn (1995)
 * Opal (1995)
 * Roxanne (1995)
 * Cesar (1996)
 * Fran (1996)
 * Hortense (1996)
 * Georges (1998)
 * Mitch (1998)
 * Floyd (1999)
 * Lenny (1999)
 * Keith (2000)
 * Allison (2001)
 * Iris (2001)
 * Michelle (2001)
 * Isidore (2002)
 * Lili (2002)
 * Fabian (2003)
 * Isabel (2003)
 * Juan (2003)
 * Charley (2004)
 * Frances (2004)
 * Ivan (2004)
 * Jeanne (2004)
 * Modern names should be in this list from all past tropical cyclone seasons. Thegreatdr (talk) 18:57, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

EPAC 1960-1967
Most of the names were taken straight from here. I don't see why it is disputed. Hurricanehink 22:13, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
 * I dispute it for these reasons:
 * It says that Irena was retired, yet I can find no mention of the name Irena being used anywhere at this ATWC site.
 * The statement that name Hazel was retired because of the Atlantic storm. If that is true, why were Ione and Connie used at a later date when they were retired? They were also retired in the Atlantic. And what is the source for that info?
 * Unisys reveals that the Annette-Willa list was used 1960-62. When Willa was reached during the 1962 season, the Ava-Wallie list was used until 1965. When Wallie was reached that year, the same list was restarted until Hazel ended the year.
 * Why is Kathleen listed as retired/replaced? I can't find any notice of that being true.


 * This is why I dispute the accuracy of this section. Miss Michelle | Talk to Michelle 22:43, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclones
How can we find the old name lists of Southern Hemisphere tropical cyclones ? There is less information about this basin than other basins. --HERB 13:11, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Use the BOM database Jason Rees (talk) 21:27, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Rename?
I think this article should be renamed List of historic tropical cyclone names be cause that's what it really is. The word "previous" implies recency. These names are historic: ones from...history. I think the name should reflect that. -- §  Hurricane  E  RIC  §Damages archive 03:25, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree with that, and your logic is perfect. Full support. Hurricanehink 03:29, 19 February 2006 (UTC)


 * Done since no objections were raised over the past 4 months. Thegreatdr 18:41, 9 June 2006 (UTC)

Todo
This is just a disorganized and unstructured list of lists... Jdorje 20:16, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
 * We're working on that, and the referencing. Thegreatdr (talk) 02:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Philippine Lists
Is the sets used from 2001 to 2004 is the same as to 2005 afterwards? If yes, kindly change from 2004 to Present in a title for the usage of the set that was effective since 2001. --Frj1947 17:22, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
 * It is not the same since the name list have been revised in late 2004 with for starters Wang-Wang was replace by Weng (there was also a revision in May 2005 but it concern only about the name Undang which is replace by Urduja, since the former is suppose to be retired). It is best to compare both list and see that there are big changes in the names use. 15 May 2006
 * My mistake the revision was started in late 2003 but there was major revision in 2004 and a minor one in 2005.

Eastern Pacific List
I read somewhere before that the First Eastern Pacific Hurricane name list from 1960 consist of 4 list with rules applying to the list the same as the Western Pacific (meaning use running sequentially). In 1966 this was change to starting with A every year just as the Atlantic List but still maintaining the old list that was before. Can anyone please clarify that information? 29 May 2006
 * You are right, but there was only two lists- all female names. Then in 1966, 4 lists of all female names were used until the beginning of the 1978 Pacific hurricane season where they began to alternate male and female names in four lists until 1982 where they added two more lists to bring it to six lists which are still being used today. --#  Yue ' of the ' North   21:28, 30 April 2010 (UTC)

Australian names
Here's a WMO source for all Australian region retirees: Tito xd (?!?) 05:09, 28 November 2006 (UTC)

Tropical Cyclone seasons that need sourcing (2013 Update)

 * Atlantic - 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997.Jason Rees (talk) 02:39, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * Eastern Pacific - 1960, 1961, 1962, 1963, 1964, 1965, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969, 1970, 1971, 1972, 1973, 1974 1975 1976 1977 1978 1979 1980 1981 1982 1983 1984 1985 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997
 * Central Pacific - All sourced.Jason Rees (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Western Pacific -
 * PAGASA - 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997.Jason Rees (talk) 02:12, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * North Indian Ocean - All names should be sourced.Jason Rees (talk) 01:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * SWIO - All names are sourced, however, if better sources for 1959-60, 1960-61 and 1963-64 SWIO seasons come along so much the better.
 * AUS - 1978-79, 1992-93
 * SPAC - All names should be sourced.Jason Rees (talk) 01:08, 12 August 2013 (UTC)
 * What happened? I had all the Atlantic seasons referenced, using Mariners Weather Log if I remember correctly.  Check out this version, which is about 1000 versions back.  =/ Thegreatdr (talk) 15:16, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * From what i remember the references were removed since the general purpose of this list, changed from all lists of names to names that have been used. I am ideally after references that contain names used for either several years or a couple of basins. I will double check the MWL's too see if any of the issues qualify. Jason Rees (talk) 16:06, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * MWL's should be usable, though they should shift to issues from the following spring. Then again, so could Monthly Weather Review.  Thegreatdr (talk) 19:34, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
 * Yeah while both publications are useable, i just want to be careful with what references are added in order to keep the page size down. For example the Aus/SPAC seasons are cited back to the Australian Met Magazine up until 1998-99, when we start using the Padgett/Young end of year summaries for both hemispheres rather than continuing with the AMM or some other source.Jason Rees (talk) 01:52, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

Separating these..?
This article is getting squishy and long like the old similar article we had before. I think that we should separate these into something like: List of historic Eastern Pacific names etc. It is more better and cleaner. Typhoon2013 (talk) 04:02, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * While this article is rather long - I would rather not split it off into subarticles as i doubt there is enough information around for them. I suspect that your recent change to the layout of the CPAC may have influenced on your opinion, but i RVd it as it is better to have it as one single table/section rather than in two or three single sections. If the CPAC ever becomes active enough with 10 or more systems per year then we can revisit the format.Jason Rees (talk) 21:04, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Well, what if, for example, we are already in the mid-2020s and we have a whole lot of storms with the same article and format? Typhoon2013  (talk) 23:48, 15 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Again if we need to in the future we can revisit the format, but at the present time i see no reasons for changing it.Jason Rees (talk) 16:08, 17 January 2016 (UTC)

I think it's more useful having everything on one page. That way, you can look up a name with the find function (control + F) and see all of the names worldwide. Plenty of people are curious whether their name has ever been used. It's also possible people might remember a storm name being used but couldn't remember where (very possible in Atlantic vs. EPAC). ♫ Hurricanehink ( talk ) 18:56, 18 January 2016 (UTC)
 * Sorry for a late response, I wanted to go back here again thats why. But what happened to the previous/old format where we just have all the names in one table? It would be easier finding the name because it's in alphabetical order. Typhoon2013  (talk) 07:09, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * It would be a lot harder to source though as generally there are no sources stating that the name Jason was only used once throughout the world for example.Jason Rees (talk) 09:27, 16 March 2017 (UTC)
 * I think we could use both. Keep this as a main list, and make a new series that goes alphabetically, such as List of named storms (U–Z). Hurricanehink mobile (talk) 17:01, 16 March 2017 (UTC)

Tahitian cyclone names
I noticed while going through the South Pacific cyclone season articles today that in and around the 80s, cyclones in the far eastern South Pacific were named by the Tahitian met service. There is minimal indication in the articles that that was the case but I found out by snooping around and a bit of inferences. I find it interesting that the way regions of naming and even the official basins have changed throughout history, but many different pages are very present-based with no indication of how cyclones were monitored in the past. It can be quite confusing sometimes.

I also came to this page to see that only some of the Tahitian names were in the South Pacific section, some are missing e.g. Diola (1980-81). Would it be a good idea to have the Tahitian names in their own separate subsection (under the South Pacific) to somehow indicate this? In addition, I think quite a lot could be written about the history of these agency changes but there's not much in the southern hemisphere regions, where it gets especially interesting, with sparse data/other sources mentioning it. atomic 77  32  10:56, 8 June 2016 (UTC)
 * Tahiti and New Caledonia have indeed named tropical cyclones within the Southern Pacific in the past, but I am not 100% certain on there is very little sourcing available to back the history of naming in this region up. However, I suspect if we were to look in to meteorology in general in the region and looked into leads like the South Pacific Air Transport Council and the New Zealand Meteorological Service then the history would become clearer. However, getting back to this article, I feel that separating the Tahiti names out would not be a wise idea, since it is just an insignificant agency that named a few tropical cyclones for a few years. I will double check a sources I have available to me to see what names are missing from Tahiti.Jason Rees (talk) 08:51, 9 June 2016 (UTC)

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Historic vs. Historical
This article should actually be named "List of historical tropical cyclone names", as the word "historic" refers to things of great historical significance, whereas "historical" simply means something that happened in the past. This is not a major difference, but still good to fix. Since there's no separate page on historic (i.e. major) historical storms, a redirect can be setup to avoid breaking links. Any objections? Tfocker4 (talk) 15:57, 19 May 2017 (UTC)


 * , I agree: the intended meaning is 'names used in the past' rather than 'names of significant cyclones'.  Quasar G  t - c 11:00, 21 May 2017 (UTC)
 * Support - a good idea.Jason Rees (talk) 13:03, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

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WPAC Names
You are not allowed to publish the WPAC International names for the rest of this year and future years onto this list per the wikipedia rules on Original Research.Jason Rees (talk) 09:40, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Well ok sure. But just to note I may revert most of your edit(s) as I liked my version because it separates the naming eras of the 20th and 21st centuries. Typhoon2013  (talk) 10:37, 8 November 2017 (UTC)
 * Except it didnt and while it would be nice to seperate the names into pre and post 2000 - i would rather keep it to 15 year blocks for now.Jason Rees (talk) 11:23, 8 November 2017 (UTC)

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Full namelists for South-West Indian Ocean cyclone seasons from 1959-60 to 1991-92?
The South-West Indian Ocean basin, like the North Atlantic and North-East Pacific (1966-date) basins, uses yearly namelists. However, while NATL and EPAC have recycled names and namelists from time to time while retiring a few names for obvious reasons (now doing so in six-year cycles since 1979), it looks like SWIO has hardly ever reused a single name (Anita being perhaps the only one, used in 1967-68 and 2006-07 seasons), and since the SWIO seasons' articles here do not mention any available-but-unused names (except the 1983-84 season and 1992-93 onwards), it is not obvious to me whether any unused pre-1992-93 names were recycled from one year to another.

Does anybody here know where could someone find the full namelists ever used by MFR (including all unused names) for all seasons before 1992-93?

Also, according to Tropical cyclone naming, since the 2000-01 season namelists are cycled every three years (retiring only those names that got to be used), although that is not even quite obvious since even many unused names are not being recycled for subsequent years (only unused names Savana thru Zanele from 2009-10 season have survived to this day, being present in the current 2018-19 list, whereas Kanja thru Rahim from 2009-10, though never assigned before, did not make it back into 2018-19). So it seems this so-called "three year cycling" of namelists is not holding up. SilSinn9821 (talk) 07:52, 13 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Appologies I have only just had chance to read through your post fully. The rotating of unused names in the SWIO has only been in place since the  RA I TCC in 2015 not 2000-01. As for where to find lists of names, try looking through old journals like the mariner weather logs or metmar - in fact I think if you are lucky you might find some of the lists sourced in the history of this article.Jason Rees (talk) 00:07, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Splitting Australian region's tables according to separate naming lists (current and historical)
The historical cyclone names mentioned in List of historical tropical cyclone names are listed in a rather awkward manner, with all three historical pre-2008-09 Australian namelists (Western, Northern, and Eastern) interleaved together, thus making it hard to discern at first glance which names came from the West set of namelists, which from the North list-set, and which from the East list-set. Should the tables be split into three subsections according to the sub-regions where the cyclones were named?

Also, I believe Indonesian names (including Durga) and also Papua New Guinean ones should be listed separately in a manner similar to that done for Hawaiian names in List of historical tropical cyclone names, since Indonesian- and PNG-named cyclones are about as rare as Hawaiian-named storms and hurricanes. So, in summary, I believe this section should be split into five six subsections: Western Australia (pre-2008-09), Northern Australia (pre-2008-09), Eastern Australia (pre-2008-09), Australia (post-2008-09), and Indonesia, and Papua New Guinea ; and whenever Papua New Guinean names make their debut, a sixth subsection may be added. -- SilSinn9821 (talk) 18:23, 22 November 2018 (UTC) (edited by SilSinn9821 (talk) 01:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC))


 * I am in two minds about this proposal as it is an interesting proposal that is worth thinking about, however, I am leaning towards oppose for various reasons. The CPAC names are split up from the EPAC names in this list because it is officially a separate basin, we just lump it in with EPAC in the season articles since most systems in the CPAC originate from the EPAC. Each of the five TCWC's in the Australian region which have named tropical cyclones (Jakarta, Perth, Darwin, PNG, Brisbane) are not considered to be separate basins as far as I know. In fact, I will note that the seasonal summaries from the BoM did not split them up by who named them and just wrote about each cyclone in chronological order. I am also not sure how we would cite that Darwin named X that was near their border with Brisbane/Perth without going into the realms of original research and more references then we really need.Jason Rees (talk) 02:23, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * OK, since there is no readily available info on who named what in pre-2008 Australia, then splitting pre-2008 Australian names into three groups would be hopelessly impossible for now. So at least the idea of spinning off separate tables for Indonesia and PNG could be considered. When I said above that they "should be listed separately in a manner similar to that done for Hawaiian names […]", I wasn't really meaning to list them in separate sections (== ==) outside List of historical tropical cyclone names (they should be instead in subsections (=== ===) within "List of historical tropical cyclone names#Australian Region"), I was actually meaning that their proposed tables would be formatted similarly to the Hawaiian table in that the namelists would not be formatted in seasonal columns (like the NATL, EPAC, WPAC, etc. tables) but rather as a continuous row or two like the CPAC and SATL tables. For the Indonesian case, the proposed table would look like this:


 * and something similar for PNG. --SilSinn9821 (talk) 04:41, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Yeah I was aware of what you meant which is why i thought it was an interesting proposal, however, as I said the seasonal summaries from the BoM, did not split them up by who named them and just wrote about each cyclone in chronological order. I am also really not sure that it is worth it at the moment to split them up as there are less than 20 names on each list and are not used often enough to really justify a seperatre subsection in my opinon.Jason Rees (talk) 14:06, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Well, then allow me to offer an alternative, less-disruptive solution in the interim: color-shade the backgrounds of table cells containing Indonesian and Papuan names while keeping Australian-name cells (even the ancient ones) with their default white coloring. The section's overall layout would remain the same for now; only background colors for 13 cells or so (out of hundreds) would change. The only debate would be choosing what color for Indonesia and what color for PNG; both colors would need to be light enough to guarantee text legibility (especially text rendering as wikilinks). --SilSinn9821 (talk) 16:58, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * (P.S. can you please put a space before your four-tilde signature, so that it doesn't drag the last word to a new line whenever a line break occurs?)
 * I really do not see the need to be indicate which names were named by which warning centres and I am not sure that other editors would either. We dont seperate other basins in to Mauritus, Madagascar, Fiji, New Caledonia, French Polynesia and New Zealand.Jason Rees (talk) 13:46, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The case of Mauritius-Madagascar is different because they share a common set of namelists (unlike Australia-Indonesia-PNG where we are talking about three distinct concurrent sets of namelists) ; the same could be said of Fiji-NewCaledonia-FrenchPolynesia-NewZealand where a common namelist is used (Tahiti may be a different case as pointed out by another Wikipedian above, but with scant info about it, nothing can be done about it for now) . --SilSinn9821 (talk) 08:05, 30 November 2018 (UTC)

The more and more I think about this proposal the more I wonder how far into detail, we want to go into details like who named what system and I would like to hear from other editors about it. Jason Rees (talk) 15:20, 3 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yes, I totally agree. What would they think of this? Their input would be greatly appreciated, since Wikipedia relies on consensus from not just two editors (you and me), but almost everyone previously involved in this useful page who is still willing to express his/her input. --SilSinn9821 (talk) 06:20, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * As for SPAC, we know that Fiji and NZ share a common set of namelists too (I believe all the SPAC names in this article came from that common namelist set). I am not sure about New Caledonia (does it use the same FMS lists, or does it have its own, super-rare list?). Somewhere else in this talkpage, someone had said Tahiti (which I think is part of French Polynesia) had a separate namelist (unlisted in this article because of lack of information or sources), which would make SPAC a little bit similar to AUSR in that more than one concurrent set of namelists is used within a basin. Or maybe the SPAC case could be more similar to the WPAC case instead: perhaps some of the systems separately named by Tahiti (using its own namelist) were already known to Fiji and NZ under FMS names already listed here (in the same way that many PAGASA-named systems are already known to other WPAC nations under JMA names). But with very little info or sourcing readily available about this, nothing can be done about it, so I would leave the SPAC section unchanged/&#x200b;unsplit. --SilSinn9821 (talk) 18:14, 8 December 2018 (UTC)

PAGASA names in a section of their own, rather than a subsection within WPAC?
And talking about sections, why are PAGASA names listed in a section of their own (== Philippines ==), separate from List of historical tropical cyclone names, when Philippines isn't a separate basin but a member of WPAC? Shouldn't such section be rather a subsection (=== Philippines ===) within "List of historical tropical cyclone names#Western North Pacific"? --SilSinn9821 (talk) 04:43, 23 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I think its just the way the list was developed and has evolved. Should we make it a subsection of WPAC? Probably not since the list would just get burried and confuse the reader.Jason Rees (talk) 13:38, 23 November 2018 (UTC)

Classic SWIO names sound a lot like JTWC names
Many of the pre-2000 names used in SWIO sound more English than French (in spite of that basin being MFR territory from the beginning). It begs the question as to whether the names used during that period were devised by MFR alone or whether JTWC (given the U.S. military presence in the Diego Garcia archipelago) actually lent a hand there, given JTWC’s known history of naming storms in WPAC until 2000 (when JMA took over that duty there). --SilSinn9821 (talk) 18:36, 8 December 2018 (UTC)
 * I dont know the answer to your latest question, however, I would remind you that MFR doesnt name systems themselves.Jason Rees (talk) 00:31, 9 December 2018 (UTC)

European windstorm names
Would it be appropriate if I add european windstorm names in this article but it wouldn’t be TROPICAL CYCLONES, right? So if inappropriate or appropriate, reply and I would then add/do nothing with this article. 223.239.62.139 (talk) 13:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC) 223.239.62.139 (talk) 13:47, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
 * As one of the primary editors of this list I have wondered about adding them in and renaming this article to something like List of historical weather system names, but I haven't been able to make any firm conclusions as there are two schools of thought. The first school of thought is to add them in and rename the article to something like List of historical weather system names, which would enable people to be able to see what names have been assigned to weather systems over the years. Without wishing to open the debate over such systems, we also have to remember that some of the named systems are probably tropical cyclones especially down in Greece. The other school of thought though is that this article at 200 227 bytes is too large to accommodate even more names and thus we should look at creating a couple of new lists, that cover non-tropical cyclone names including The Weather Channel's names, FU Berlin's names and the names assigned by the European Met Agencies to warn of various events.Jason Rees (talk) 00:00, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Adding something that would alter the scope and title of the article seems excessive. I'd certainly support a second(ary) article with other names as you suggest. doktorb wordsdeeds 09:51, 5 February 2023 (UTC)
 * The second school of thought is better… 223.187.249.215 talkcontribts 12:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)

Southeast Pacific storm names
Even though all storm names given to Southeast Pacific storms are unofficial, do they deserve to be mentioned on this article? I made a table for the storms (shown above) for Southeast Pacific storms. South Atlantic name (which are in the article) are technically unofficial as the South Atlantic is an unofficial basin, so there is a a precedent for unofficial names. Infinity (talk - contributions) 20:48, 15 April 2023 (UTC)


 * I think so… 110.224.98.130 (talk) 14:47, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
 * My view is that the names Katie and Lexi were not assigned by a meteorological service and thus we would be putting far to much weight on them if we were to include them in this article. We also have to remember that weather systems around the globe have been unofficially assigned names before the start of each naming scheme. As a result we should either include them all or none at all.