Talk:List of hospitals in Nagpur

Contested change
This page is not unambiguously promotional, because... this page simply explains what Hope hospitals is and how it is contributing towards the improvement of health care services in India. there is nothing promotional written on this page.Neutral C 07:55, 10 March 2013 (UTC)18:26, 20 January 2013 (UTC)

Objection to deletion
It is not true that Hope hospitals is a Non notable local hospital. The hospital is the first and only hospital in central india to have an international accreditation NABH which is considered equivalent to Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations. It has won many awards, both national and international, for its quality initiatives. The hospital is the only yellow fever vaccination center in central india and is the only hospital to run the medical center at the International airport in Nagpur. The article has been improved, copyedited, sourced by various editors since 13 jan 2013. Hope hospital in Nagpur is multi speciality hospital which specialises in specialised surgeries and critical care. The description will definitely help patients and the public in general to choose the right hospital for quality patient care. The innovations of Hope have been recognised by Department of Science and Technology, Govt. of India; Lockheed Martin Corporation; Indo-US Science & Technology Forum, Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry; Stanford Graduate School of Business and the IC2 Institute at the University of Texas. The newspapers from which the article is sourced are of national repute. If these achievements aren't notable enough, then what is? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neutral contributor (talk • contribs) 04:15, 9 March 2013 (UTC) Neutral contributor (talk) 04:20, 9 March 2013 (UTC)

Contested change  ' A major contributor to this article appears to have a close connection with its subject.' & 'appears to be written like an advertisement.'
It is not true that the major contributor has a close connection with its subject. The article has been improved, copyedited, sourced by various editors since 13 jan 2013. The newspapers from which the article is sourced are of national repute. cleanup has been done by editors in the last three months to comply with Wikipedia's content policies, particularly neutral point of view. I did not find any content written in the article that appears to be written like an advertisement. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neutral contributor (talk • contribs) 04:44, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * Has it ? It still reads like a page designed to promote the hospital.  LGA talk  edits   04:46, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
 * A substantial percentage of referenced information are deleted with no valid reason given in the summary. I dont think it is necessary. David Levii (talk) 04:11, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Contested change    'may not meet Wikipedia's notability guidelines for companies and organizations' & ' None of these awards has own WP article and therefore is not notable and is promotional.'
Notability is already established by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. The awards may not have a WP article but the awards are mentioned in several articles in wikipedia. The newspapers sourced are of national repute : e.g.The times of india and The hitavada. Each of the the awards are of either international or national level. Various independent sources have been sourced. Hope is notable because it has been the subject of significant coverage in various secondary sources. Such sources are reliable, and independent of the subject.The sources that have significantly covered the awards and the hospital have their own WP articles.

Request for third opinions
Third opinions being an excellent venue for small disputes involving only two editors, I have requested some editors having interests in healthcare, hospitals and staying in Nagpur in noticeboards to contribute and join the discussion. Please help improve it by rewriting promotional content if any from a neutral point of view and removing any inappropriate external links. Neutral C 07:52, 10 March 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Neutral contributor (talk • contribs)

Fixable and I shall fix it.I have already done some cleanup!117.203.124.105 (talk) 10:18, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Related SPI
Readers of this talk page should also visit : Sockpuppet investigations/Drbkmurali/Archive.  LGA talk  edits   22:36, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Over 230 edits seems to have been made painstakingly over a period of 4 months. The article has been improved, copyedited, sourced by various editors since 13 jan 2013. Copy edits for better readability, removal of weasel terms, verifiability etc. have been done. I find no reason to make a wiki page of a reputed hospital in Nagpur into a stub now! Notability is already established by adding reliable, secondary sources about the topic. The awards may not have a WP article but the awards are mentioned in several articles in wikipedia. Each of the the awards are of international repute. Such sources are reliable, and independent of the subject.The sources that have significantly covered the awards and the hospital have their own WP articles. The hospital is the first and only hospital in central india to have an international accreditation NABH which is considered equivalent to Joint Commission on Accreditation of Healthcare Organizations.The hospital is the only yellow fever vaccination center in central india and is the only hospital to run the medical center at the International airport in Nagpur. Hope hospital in Nagpur is multi speciality hospital which specialises in specialised surgeries and critical care. The innovations of Hope, especially DRMHope has been selected as top 50 innovations in India by Department of Science and Technology, Govt. of India; Lockheed Martin Corporation; Indo-US Science & Technology Forum, Federation of Indian Chambers of Commerce and Industry; Stanford Graduate School of Business and the IC2 Institute at the University of Texas. The newspapers e.g.'The times of india' and 'The hitavada' from which the article is sourced are of national repute. Hope is notable because it has been the subject of significant coverage in various secondary sources.Please refrain from making frequent reverts. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drbkmurali (talk • contribs) 08:27, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

"Wikipedia is not a paper encyclopedia."
Since Wikipedia does not have the same space limitations as a paper encyclopedia, there is no need to restrict content in the same way that a paper encyclopedia does. Usually the AFD discussion takes up the same or greater amount of disk space than the article. No performance problems result from having many articles. Inclusionists (see Deletionism and inclusionism in Wikipedia)claim that authors should take a more open-minded look at content criteria. Articles on people, places, and concepts of little note may be perfectly acceptable for Wikipedia in this view. Some inclusionists do not see a problem with including pages which give a factual description of every person on Earth.I feel that since the original article sources are reliable, and independent of the subject, they should be reverted! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drbkmurali (talk • contribs) 13:58, 22 April 2013 (UTC) It's easy to criticize and delete, whereas it's much more difficult to do research and create content. "Better to light a candle than curse the darkness." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drbkmurali (talk • contribs) 14:11, 22 April 2013 (UTC)

conflict of interest
I am the founder. I have added a few reliable source to the article recently. The entire article is substantiated by reliable sources. The article FAQ/Organizations allows person with COI to edit an article on following the rules: "What rules should I follow while editing Wikipedia articles?' Verifiability: Content that is added must be published by a reliable source. This means a third-party source - for most content, your company website does not count as a source. You need to avoid original research. This means that information that is included must have been published by someone other than yourself (or your company). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Drbkmurali (talk • contribs) 03:49, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Your (and your sock accounts) intent is clear, you wish to use WP to promote your hospital, the hospital exists but I can find nothing to set aside why this hospital is significant over any other hospital in the world.  LGA talk  edits   06:57, 28 April 2013 (UTC)
 * The fact that the article's creator is the founder of the hospital and has now been confirmed to have created a fifth sockpuppet account says it all. Here's a more pertinent issue: if this hospital is only menioned in passing in two sources, how does it warrant its own article? If Dhantoli is notable, then let's scavenge the two sources here for that article and delete this one. MezzoMezzo (talk) 04:12, 30 April 2013 (UTC)
 * If the WP:RS aren't there, take it to AfD. I would support deletion.  The socking is tangential; you can mention it in the nomination but socking alone won't be enough to persuade the closing admin that the article should go.  Now, if socking should take place on the AfD itself, then all hell will break loose, and socking will definitely be relevant.  And fun.  Enjoy! Qworty (talk) 04:35, 30 April 2013 (UTC)

Bold Redirect
Prior to an established editor without any COI willing to rewrite this, I am boldly redirecting it to List of Hospitals in Nagpur. Any established editor should feel free to rewrite.  LGA talk  edits   20:55, 2 May 2013 (UTC)