Talk:List of identities in The Gangs of New York (book)

Charley Ross
Charley Ross was a victim of crime, in Germantown, a suburb of Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. AFAICS, he shouldnt be listed here, but im not American so maybe i have missed something? Jayvdb 01:44, 1 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Although Charley Ross was from Pennsylvania, his suspected kidnappers Bill Mosher and Joe Douglas were well known New York criminals as well as associates of Marm Mandelbaum (both men being killed in a failed robbery several months after the kidnapping). MadMax 20:23, 8 March 2007 (UTC)

List of others
There seem to be a lot of people who don't belong here. Perhaps the person who added the names could add a few words about why each is here. It's tempting to delete that whole part of the list. Eclecticology 21:32, 12 June 2007 (UTC)

Wrong people
A lot of links for the people listed here point to the wrong people... wjmt (talk) 16:41, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Ben Jos. The article gets facts, names and dates wrong. For example, the "Freddie Muchfeldt" listed as a member of the Car Barn Gang entry was actually Frank W. Muehlfeldt, who was convicted of 1st degree murder on June 12, 1912, for the Feb. 1912, killing of Patrick Burns ("Gangster Sentenced to Die," NY Times, June 15, 1912, p. 7). Bill Lingley had been convicted of the same crime six days earlier ("Gangster Guilty of Murder," NY Times, June 7, 1912, p. 24). Clearly, neither could have died in 1911.

Furthermore, Lingley and Muehlfeldt were associates of the Bronx division of the Car Barn Gang, not of the main gang, which was based in Yorkville, in Manhattan, and neither Lingley and Muehlfeldt were the gang's leader. In fact, the NYPD asserted that the pair had been dismissed from the gang: Muehlfeldt for being too young and Lingley for being too big and easily identifiable ("Murder as a Test," NY Times, May 17, 1912, p. 9). comment added by Pokey54 (talk contribs) 14:45, 31 May 2013 (UTC)

Deletion
I think this article should just be deleted. I think I nominated it for deletion but I don't know if I did it right. This entire article has no references, and many of the links to different people are linked to the wrong person. I think this may even fall under being slander against living people. Chexmix53 (talk) 02:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Expert Attention Needed
This article is contentious to some because the mere fact that a name exists on the list implies the individual is a criminal. Many of the entries do not have articles in WP and need reliable sources. If sources cannot be found, they should be deleted. Additionally, some names are linked to articles that clearly do not reference criminal behavior. They should be removed or properly sourced.--Mike Cline (talk) 22:19, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

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Article title
Obviously the title of this article is wrong, as it includes many people who are not criminals. I can see a number of options: Rees11 (talk) 19:50, 3 October 2009 (UTC)
 * Rename the article to something like "Gangs of New York cast of characters" or "Historical criminals and crimefighters of New York"
 * Create a new article for the people who aren't criminals (what would you call it?)
 * other options?

Requested move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: No opposition, so I have moved it. NW ( Talk ) 17:33, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

List of historical criminals of New York City → List of identities in The Gangs of New York (book) — This completely inappropriately named article actually includes names of politicians, sportsmen, policemen, industrialists and many others who are clearly not criminals. In fact, the only common link to be found among all the people in this list is that they are referenced in Herbert Asbury's 1928 book The Gangs of New York. I therefore propose that the article be moved accordingly. I think the only other viable option would be to nominate the article at WP:AFD. Gatoclass (talk) 14:44, 12 March 2011 (UTC)


 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.