Talk:List of investment banks/Archive 1

Categorize
Given that the list has its own page now, it might be a good idea to catagorize all the banks into regions/countries? Suicup 14:55, 4 September 2006 (UTC)

The old list was very confused. I reorganized the entities listed into three categories, independent investment banks, financial conglomerates and other. Many of the entities listed, e.g. Banc of America Securities, are in fact investment banking subsidiaries of large financial conglomerates. For example, Bank of America, which provides services that are completely unrelated to investment banking: deposit banking, commercial loans, insurance, mortgages, etc. In general, many of the finance entries have an amateurish nature.

The third category should be policed. I did not bother to check some of these, half of which I have never heard of. They could be two-bit players whose names are here for free advertising. It would be helpful to describe what each of the listed entities does, e.g. Cantor Fitzgerald is a trader in government securities, N.M. Rothschild is (I believe) in asset management. The key point is they are not investment banks in any classic sense - they do not underwrite the offering of securities, which in my view is what defines an investment bank.

Cbmccarthy 01:53, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

It is a misconception that the underwriting of securities is the defining element of what an investment bank is. Underwriting determines whether a firm is a broker-dealer. The Restructuring and Reorganization practice of the corporate finance arm of an investment bank is usually advising on issues and not involved with underwriting whatsover. — Preceding unsigned comment added by IbankingMM (talk • contribs) 22:04, 7 December 2012 (UTC)

My concern is with respect to the Former Investment Banks category. The list is hardly exhaustive and I can't see that it ever will be. There are literally thousands of defunct firms who aren't mentioned. Moreover, among those thousands, are many, many firms, who were absorbed several times, thus technically warranting separate mention. For example, we could mention 1) Carl M. Loeb, 2) Rhodes and Company, 3) Carl M. Loeb Rhodes and Company, 4) Shearson Loeb Rhodes, etc., etc. In addition, should we really be titling this page as "List of Investment Banks, we're already well beyond the scope that that name would imply. ButtonwoodTree 02:04, 18 October 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, I only just saw this. I agree that it eventually becomes ridiculous if you cover all the permutations of mergers and name changes, or every defunct investment bank that ever existed. The same can be said of the current list of independent investment banks, which currently seems to contain a lot of insignificant players (these may be some free advertising for such players?). However, that is also the inherent nature of lists, and it should be manageable if it is monitored and limited to significant institutions. In terms of moving the list, I would say, ideally, this list should be moved to an article called the History of Capital Markets... if that article were ever written. My core bibliography for writing such an article would be the House of Morgan by Ron Chernow (US capital markets history), the House of Rothschild by Niall Ferguson (continental European capital markets history) and The Death of Gentlemanly Capitalism (UK capital markets history). Speaking of UK, right now, the list omits the whole panoply of significant UK merchant banks and stockbrokers that disappeared after 1986 following deregulation. I will try to add them.

Cbmccarthy 14:52, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Who should be on these lists?
I just went through the four lists on this page and culled various additions that appeared to have been added for free advertising. I would propose limiting the lists to those institutions that have at least a Wikipedia-compliant stub. Actually, if each investment banking stub or article is properly categorized, a separately managed list like this will be unnecessary because people can just select the category.

Cbmccarthy 15:42, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

The section entitled "CHARM banks" seems complete rubbish. Cisco isn't a bank, others are mispelled and the set doesn't match the description - Union Bank of Switzerland was never a boutique, for example. I would suggest it is deleted.

Thirkej (talk) 16:29, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Is Bank of New York Mellon an investment bank?
Does anybody know? I believe they are one of the biggest but cannot confirm. 71.190.250.141 (talk) 15:22, 4 January 2008 (UTC)

some how this vandal used my id no. above to enter the above the entry was NOT from me

surely the same vandal, who has vandalized this whole artile and its related articles for 3-4 years esp removing my main artile on history of wall street firms and their leading investment bankers

repeatedluy removing that substantial historical article

when it was A DIFFERENT subject from his weak article on inv banks - weak discussion of structure of investment banks

and the list herein used my list to form his list, stealing a years worth of work ; necessary ? i suppose as he clearly doesnt / didnt know squat ...about this industry, see listings ad naseum of firms so small no one has ever heard of them willy the gman sr 15:30, 7 March 2009 (UTC) the  reel kahuna and brayne  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.121.221.97 (talk)

Edit request on 8 November 2012
Please add '* Torch Partners' to the list of Independent investment banks, large cap brokerage firms, and underwriters of securities that are not affiliated with commercial banks. For background info see http://gigaom.com/europe/torch-heads-for-berlin-to-fire-up-those-elusive-exits/

217.150.106.82 (talk) 16:24, 8 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I believe this list tries to include only entries that already have Wikipedia articles. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 18:56, 8 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 18 November 2012
Please add: KPMG Corporate Finance LLC - investment banking arm of KPMG LLP, the audit, tax, and advisory firm. http://www.kpmgcorporatefinance.com

38.124.33.191 (talk) 00:31, 18 November 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I believe this list tries to include only entries that already have Wikipedia articles. Toddst1 (talk) 16:01, 18 November 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 17 October 2013
Please add Madison Street Capital to the list of independent investment banks. http://www.madisonstreetcapital.com/

Kdcunha (talk) 13:17, 17 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: I believe this list tries to include only entries that already have Wikipedia articles. --Stfg (talk) 14:26, 17 October 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 December 2012
Other advisory and capital markets firms

The following is a list of other boutique advisory firms and capital markets firms: This section does not cite any references or sources. (December 2011) Berkery, Noyes & Co BG Capital BGR Capital & Trade Brewin Dolphin Business Development Asia Cain Brothers CSG Partners D. A. Davidson & Co. Marlin & Associates McColl Partners Montgomery & Co. Newstock Capital — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.56.233.8 (talk) 03:53, 3 November 2014 (UTC) Pegasus Intellectual Capital Solutions Qatalyst Partners ROTH Capital Partners Sheshunoff Management Services Sonenshine Partners Sucsy, Fischer & Company Vista Point Advisors — Preceding unsigned comment added by Riot1177 (talk • contribs) 17:21, 12 August 2014 (UTC) Transparent Value

IbankingMM (talk) 14:57, 5 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: The only difference I see between this list and the one currently on the article is "Pegasus Intellectual Capital Solutions". Please see answers to the above two edit requests. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:02, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 February 2015
Remove D.A. Davidson & Co. from notable other firms. They are a flat out joke.

Cpt2115 (talk) 20:13, 20 February 2015 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: as you have not cited reliable sources to back up your request, without which no information should be added to, or changed in, any article. - Arjayay (talk) 20:31, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 April 2015
Under List of Independent Investment Banks please include:

Riverside Management Group

www.rmginvestments.com

Contact us me at your leisure.

Best regards, Chris

also please include Kempen thanks

Woodrmg (talk) 16:34, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

Three names had been added without their own articles, but have now been removed. - Arjayay (talk) 17:13, 1 April 2015 (UTC)
 * ❌ The inclusion criteria for this list is a Wikipedia article to prove notability - No article = No inclusion.

Edit request on 7 August 2015
Please add: Under "Financial Conglomerates" the Russian Banking group: "VTB Bank" (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VTB) and their associated investment bank "VTB Capital" in parentheses (http://www.VTBcapital.com). Reasoning is that if you already included Sberbank, another Russian bank, whose investment banking arm is considerably smaller that VTB's then VTB should be included.


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please see WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS. sst✈(discuss) 04:25, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 December 2015
Please add KPMG Corporate Finance (http://www.kpmgcorporatefinance.com/) to the List of Independent Investment Banks. KPMG Corporate Finance is a FINRA registered, independent subsidiary of KPMG LLP with approximately 2,600 investment bankers worldwide. Per publicly available league tables, KPMG is consistently ranked in the top 5 for total middle market investment banking transactions each year. Thank you.

199.207.253.101 (talk) 00:09, 17 December 2015 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: non-notable list entry. Wikipedia is not a place for advertising. sst✈(discuss) 04:23, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 September 2016
Please add "iAcuire Consulting Pvt Ltd" in the list of independent investment banks. refer to website www.iacuire.com. Vanita00 (talk) 05:37, 3 September 2016 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: It must have an article to demonstrate that it is notable. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 05:52, 3 September 2016 (UTC)

Missing / Erased
No sight of RBS / RBS Markets, NatWest / NatWest Markets, ABN Amro NV (not the post 2008 Dutch conglomerate), even under former banks? Have they been deliberately left out? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:C7F:C61D:3500:596A:E48A:9AD3:12BF (talk) 17:20, 10 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Not notable. LivinRealGüd (talk) 14:30, 22 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 December 2018
Edits: 1. JPMorgan Chase > Bank of America Merrill Lynch > Citigroup > Goldman Sachs > Morgan Stanley in terms of size since section title is "Largest full-service investment banks" 2. Change "Citi Group" to Citigroup Vyst (talk) 12:28, 10 December 2018 (UTC)
 * Yellow check.svg Partly done: Your first request needs a reliable source and your second request was ✅ as it's only a minor edit. &mdash; KuyaBriBri Talk 15:08, 10 December 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 June 2019
Adding ICBC International as the list of investment bank, a wholly owned subsidiary of Industrial and Commercial Bank of China. Swithinchan (talk) 05:57, 24 June 2019 (UTC)
 * Pictogram voting wait.svg Already done It's already on the list.  Orville1974 talk 02:20, 25 June 2019 (UTC)