Talk:List of largest airlines in Europe

Azerbaijan
Why is here Azerbaijan? This country does not have anything together with Europe. Please remove it.

Fully agree, Kazakhstan also shouldn't be in the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ian 1975 (talk • contribs) 19:56, 17 February 2020 (UTC)

Turkish Airlines
Turkey is not in Europe? Interesting... --83.228.95.46 11:55, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Turkish Airlines main base is located on the European side of the Bosphorus, should be in Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.111.149.194 (talk) 12:08, 28 June 2012 (UTC)


 * What is difference between Turkey and Russia? Russia is in European list, but Turkey in Asian? --83.228.95.46 12:35, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

According to a press release from Turkish Airlines (http://www.thy.com/en-INT/corporate/news/press_room/press_releases/press_release.aspx?pid=1523) the number of passengers carried in 2006 was 17 mio. The figure of 9 mio that appears on this page is several years old. This page needs to be updated with the correct information. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yucina (talk • contribs) 11:52, 2 October 2007 (UTC) The Turkish Airlines article also mentions the figure of 17 mio for 2006. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Yucina (talk • contribs) 12:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)

Difference is, that majority Russian population is in Europe, majority of turkey is in Asia. Also, main Russian cities where HQ of airliners are located, are in Europe. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.176.35.178 (talk) 21:46, 9 January 2019 (UTC)

Air France
Accordding to Air France traffic data it carried 58.1m passengers in 2008 and 57.6m in 2007

Please check the dec 2008 traffic data —Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.149.1.231 (talk) 17:12, 28 July 2009 (UTC)

Air France-KLM
The article says that AF/KLM did not have even 30 million passangers in 2009. Accoring to Air France-KLM's wikipedia article, they had more than 70 million! What the fuck!?

Missing airlines
Let's create the list of missing airlines. --195.110.6.24 (talk) 09:07, 3 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Pegasus Airlines - 4,4 million (2008)
 * SunExpress - 4,22 million (2008), 2.358 million (2006)
 * Condor - Can be included with LOT Polish Airlines, as it got acquired by it.
 * TUI Airways
 * French Bee  — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamT777 (talk • contribs) 05:31, 19 May 2020 (UTC)
 * Sunclass Airlines — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamT777 (talk • contribs) 00:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Senseless
It's totally senseless to list KLMs or Austrian's passengers seperated as they are already included in Air France's and Lufthansa's passengers numbers. Furthermore, in terms of passengers, Austrian and Swiss and BMI etc. are included in "Lufthansa", but when it comes to fleet size only Lufthansa Passage Airline's aircraft are listed! Change this IMMEDIATELY! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.178.35.109 (talk) 23:53, 8 April 2010 (UTC)
 * The list must be based on IATA or ICAO code. Even may be created 2 different lists. --193.107.114.144 (talk) 15:14, 15 October 2010 (UTC)

I totally agree. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.37.16.242 (talk) 13:14, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

This article would be much more useful if someone could combine a list showing the airlines revenue passenger kilometers as this is the true benchmark for airline size. For example how can Easyjet be classified as being a larger airline than IAG when the later has twice as many aircraft that are on average of a much larger size? Number of passengers carried is a misleading statistic. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.111.149.194 (talk) 12:13, 28 June 2012 (UTC)

Fleet size
The fleet size list is so incomplete as to seem complete useless. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.58.192.150 (talk) 18:17, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Complete list
European Airline Traffic Trends [XLS]

The free, downloadable European airline traffic trends database from anna.aero tracks passenger numbers and load factors for European airlines for 2010 as well as year-to-date data for 2011. --46.173.70.199 (talk) 16:11, 17 March 2011 (UTC)


 * Sorry.
 * 46 airlines are currently tracked. There are some gaps in the database, most notably Wizz Air, Pegasus, Air Europa, Spanair, Meridianafly and S7. --46.173.70.199 (talk) 16:19, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Confusing comparison
Hello. This article should be a comparison of the largest airlines in Europe, but it confuses airlines with airline-holdings. The comparison of enterprises (Lufthansa Group, Air France-KLM Group, International Airlines Group) is off-topic. Best regards, --R.Schuster (talk) 14:11, 10 September 2011 (UTC)
 * Totally agree. My suggestion would be that we have two tables here for clarity; one purely showing 'airlines', as you suggest, and one showing  'airline holding companies' or perhaps 'airline groups'.  The headings would be the similar for each, in line with the present one (showing Rank/Airline/2011/2010 etc.)  As each would show fleet numbers, this change would also render the existing perfunctory table 'By Fleet Size' redundant - users could sort either table by fleet size, using the column heading, if they want to.  The numbers of passengers for the airline holding companies would then also agree with the 'World' figures for passengers carried and fleet size. Brilliant.  Carbonix (talk) 22:41, 1 December 2011 (UTC)

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Missing airlines
I believe this article should be kept, but it needs serious cleaning up. Should there be statistics for airline groups like IAG or for separate airlines? I believe airlines should be separate. Also, some airlines just disappeared. There are references for them, but they are not on the list. Most notably, airlines from TUI Group (Thomson Airways, Jetairfly) and Thomas Cook group airlines (Condor, Thomas Cook Airlines). -- Marcos &#91;Tupungato&#93; (talk) 10:24, 7 June 2016 (UTC)

Bankruptcies
Air Berlin and Monarch declared bankruptcy in 2017. Should this be noted somewhere? Hobbitschuster (talk) 10:58, 21 October 2017 (UTC)
 * For sure, I would note it. --Martin2035 (talk) 13:17, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

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Scandinavian Airlines
According to 2nd quarter 2018 analyst's report, page 11, Scandinavian Airlines in 2012 had 183 and in 2017 272 routes/destinations (and a fleet of 184 and 158, respectively;increasing with new orders).--Bornsommer (talk) 17:49, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Location of companies headquarted in Asia
If the companies that are located in Asia are included in Europe because of political and economic reasons, then I think that companies like Aeroflot or Turkish Airlines shall also be included in the list of the Asian companies, since these 2 countries have more political connections to Asia than to Europe (SCO, EEU in the case of Russia, Ankara the capital of Turkey, in the case of Turkey).85.243.10.63 (talk) 19:00, 29 January 2019 (UTC)
 * 1) Aeroflot in Moscow, Moscow in Europe. 2) Turkish Airlines in Istanbul on europe's side. 3) The majority of plans of Aeroflot and TA flying in Europe. 4) In political jurisdiction these countries are part of Europe: UEFA, Council of Europe etc… ~  Starship Trooper  ~ 23:11, 29 January 2019 (UTC)

2022
When the 2022 stats will be added? Theopan1908 (talk) 20:34, 14 November 2022 (UTC)

Removing fleet size/destinations columns
Given that these two are dynamic columns in not that so much dynamic list, should these be removed? Respublik (talk) 17:16, 3 January 2024 (UTC)

Uzbekistan
Uzbekistan is not a European country so it shouldn't be on this list. I believe it has to be removed 62.74.11.238 (talk) 00:37, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The airline is classified as European carrier per IATA. See: Respublik (talk) 12:12, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Sun Express
Sun express is an airline with its headquarters in Antalya, Turkey, so it's not part of Europe. Plus it is kind of a subsidiary company and if it should be presented on this list it has to be with its parent company otherwise air France, KLM, BA etc should be on their own. 62.74.11.238 (talk) 00:42, 10 January 2024 (UTC)


 * The airline is classified as European carrier per IATA. See . Respublik (talk) 12:15, 16 January 2024 (UTC)