Talk:List of largest shopping centres in Canada/Archive 1

Coquitlam Centre in Coquitlam, BC
Why isn't Coquitlam Centre in the list? Based on my impressions, it's at least as big as Pacific Centre and Park Royal.

Masonville Mall in London, ON
I live in London and always thought that Masonville Mall was much larger than whiteoaks mall (which is #15 on the list), but it's not listed? Any idea where to find out the size? Baribeau 23:51, 5 January 2007 (UTC)

Masonville Place London, ON 686,000 (sq. ft) You can find the info right here: http://www.cadillacfairview.com/client/cadillac/CF_UW_V500_MainEngine.nsf/pagedocid/70379F8D8A5B577185256A33004EB8F5?OpenDocument 208.101.91.76 19:14, 18 January 2007 (UTC)

Woodbine
Woodbine Centre is also a large mall in Toronto. It would probably fit on this list, although I cannot find an area listed on their website (woodbinecentre.ca). Oz Lawyer  01:10, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

"WOODBINE CENTRE Shopping Centre is a 713,857 sq. ft. regional shopping centre located in Etobicoke, Ontario at the corner of Hwy #27 and Rexdale Blvd. and has one of the most unique shopping environments in Ontario - Fantasy Fair, a 58,000 sq. ft indoor amusement park which provides drawing potential from far beyond its trade area. The shopping centre was built in 1985 and is comprised of over 150 shops and services including anchors Sears, The Bay, Zellers and Rainbow Cinemas and has parking for 3,580 vehicles."



Timminspress 01:33, 13 August 2006 (UTC)timminspress

Woodbine Centre's floor space is somewhat overstated due to the mix of retail and midway in the Fantasy Fair area. --Madchester 02:08, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

Size of list
I would recommend setting some lower benchmark to the low list (say a million square feet) to prevent the list from getting too long. --Madchester 04:35, 13 August 2006 (UTC)

As the originator of this list I feel that cutting off the list at 1,000,000 square feet would be too exclusionary. For example, it would mean getting rid of all of the malls from Atlantic Canada. Also the very concept of what constitutes a large mall is highly subjective. In most parts of the country, a mall over 600,000 square feet would be considered quite large Timminspress 06:21, 13 August 2006 (UTC) timminspress
 * We could categorize it by province or region?Luke 08:02, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * I agree, because right now the list is concentrated almost exclusively in Eastern Canada. -→ Buchanan-Hermit ™ / ?!  18:47, 13 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Why limit the list to a minimum GLA? Stop the list at 50 (since we're around 40 right now).  If you want, you can divide it up into a Top 10, and then the remaining 40. Snickerdo 03:50, 19 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. --Kmsiever 04:08, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

"Debate"
There may be a debate in the "real world", but this page is a list of shopping malls by retail floor space. As long as there isn't a debate about the retail floor space of a mall, there's no debate about its position. Oz Lawyer  21:21, 14 August 2006 (UTC)

Confusing
I fail to see how this list is confusing, but just to make it even more clear, I made a slight rewording from "based on" to "ranked by" gross leasable area. Hopefully that should be straight forward enough: Here's a list of the biggest malls in Canada (by whatever measure you want to use) and they are ranked by gross leasable area. Now some people might say that equating the mall with the largest GLA area with the largest mall is misleading, but GLA is the most commonly used yardstick for gauging the size of a mall. Just look at the website of any big retail development company, all of their properties are listed in terms of GLA. Ranking malls based on total floor space (including corridors etc.) would pose its own set of problems when you get into malls that have things like amusements parks or hotels inside. For that reason any list of "largest malls" that I've ever seen has ranked malls by GLA. It isn't just some obscure and irrelevent measure that I decided to use just to create a misleading list. Timminspress 05:35, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I think this is the right way to do it. As I said above, there was no "debate" concerning ranking, since we had chosen a criterion (and one which wasn't arbitrary) and ranked according to it.  └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 13:48, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Also, I should mention that stats for the total area of most malls (other than West Edmonton) seem to be impossible to find, so it would be difficult to create a list based on that without violating Wikipedia's policies about orginal research. 208.101.91.76 18:39, 24 August 2006 (UTC)

Table hiding
Over the past few days, I've had a problem with this article - the table is hidden, so I only see two paragraphs of text. I have the same problem with List of largest shopping malls in the United States. I haven't had time to investigate the problem, but I suspect it may be due to some stylesheet issue. If anyone has some time to spare, could you please take a look at it. (For the record, I use Firefox 1.5.0.4 on FreeBSD 6.0) Mind  matrix  14:15, 25 August 2006 (UTC)


 * Revisiting this, it appears that my original removal of "id=toc" was correct (I had reverted my change for some reason). I have removed this again. Mind  matrix  14:52, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

Apple Stores as anchors?
Are the Apple Stores really anchors? I mean, these are hardly flagship stores and seem to occupy no more floor space than any other non-anchor store. Should the Apple Stores really be included in the list of anchors? Snickerdo 02:52, 19 January 2007 (UTC)

Halifax Shopping Centre and Annex = 1 mall?
I wonder if these two retail complexes, which are across the street from one another, can really be counted as one big mall. It's true that they are owned by the same company, but I'm not sure what the standards for these things are. I know that similar issues have lead to some heated debate in the List of largest shopping malls in the United States. Any thoughts on this?

Timminspress 07:17, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

I agree with you. Halifax Shopping Center and HSC Annex are two seperate entities and should not be counted as one mall. No other mall on this list does that, a mall is traditionally a group of stores under ONE roof, not two, hense I am proposing we seperate these two malls.

Halifax Shopping Center = 640,399 sq ft HSC Annex = 419,014 sq ft

The owner lists them as two seperate entities, why are we listing them as one?

--Stu pendousmat 18:50, 16 April 2007 (UTC)


 * Be bold! Lexicon (talk) 18:54, 16 April 2007 (UTC)

On another HSC note, can 'Music World, Le Chateau, EB Games' really be considered anchors of the mall? Didn't Music World recently go bankrupt? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.177.59.119 (talk) 06:12, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

--rib, 19 March 2014 The annex is also not under one roof. The distance from Sobeys and Wallmart is not close, there are three flights of outside icy stairs and hundreds of meters. Disabled wheelchair access would be approx 1 KM through a busy bus depot and steep icy roads. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:410:A010:2:A834:687E:6A04:E7BE (talk) 12:55, 19 March 2014 (UTC)

rouding off sqaure metre figures
It seems a bit strange to have square metre figures that are indicated down to the decimals, when the sqaure footage figures they are based on are clearly rounded up either to the nearest square foot, or in some cases seemingly to the nearest thousand. It doesn't make much sense to have the metric figures seemingly being more precise than the imperial numbers they are based on. I think that, if there's going to be metric figures, they should be rounded off. Timminspress 07:52, 28 January 2007 (UTC)
 * Then be bold. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 17:51, 28 January 2007 (UTC)

Pen Centre
Guys,

I am moving the Pen Centre back up to the Top 10, as the Pen Centre's website itself notes that there is 1,220,000 square feet if you add up the numbers. There was recently a very large expansion of the mall, of which the developer's website does not seem to take into account. If anyone would like to discuss this further, please feel free to post in the :talk. Snickerdo 02:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

The numbers do indeed add up. That's how I orginally came up with a size figure for the Pen Centre for this list, though I didn't count the new plaza as being part of the mall. But when you look at the website of the developer that owns the mall, it lists the size as 1,006,695 square feet of gross leaseable area. When you look at the fact sheet, it is clear that it is up to date to include all the recent expansion. Probably what is happening in this case, if I might venture a theory, is that when the history section on the Pen Centre's website refers to the Pen Centre as being the first mall in the Niagara region to reach 1 million square feet, that may be refering to the total area of the mall, i.e. not just stores but corridors, washrooms, storage areas etc. For a variety of reason discussed above, this list is ranked by gross leasable area not just total amount of floor space. I'm a big fan, actually, of the Pen Centre, so it's too bad it isn't in the top ten largest malls in the country, but it's still a pretty big mall. Hopefully they'll keep expanding it. Timminspress 08:57, 1 February 2007 (UTC)


 * That actually makes sense now that you mention it, though I would still tack on the extra bit for the power centre to the GLA. The power centre is very much a part of the Pen Centre and should be included in the GLA.  More expansion is on the way, the rumour (and of course, these are all just rumours) is possibly a second floor connecting the second floor of The Bay to the second floor of Sears.  The ceiling in that portion is flat and lower than elsewhere, probably for that exact reason.  It's certainly one of the, if not the, fastest growing malls in Canada.  We'll have to wait and see what happens!
 * I should also add that it appears that the H+M expansion is not included in the GLA numbers (probably as there's no statistical data related to visitors, etc to include it, which is why it still says 2005 for the most recent expansion, even though H+M is listed on the map yet completed in 2006, the power centre was 2004) and that adds about 17,000 sqft onto the GLA. Overall, an additional 67k sqft should be added onto the total (including the power centre), though I will defer adding it until I get your opinion.  Also, if the second-floor expansion goes through, and if the numbers are the same as the 1994 expansion which occurred in the same area, that would add between 300,000 and 500,000 sqft of GLA to the mall, clearly moving it into the Top 5 of Canada and adding around 75-100 stores.  Again, we'll have to wait and see.  This is all rumour at this point.  (There's also been a 'rumour' of a second floor going on the Fairview Mall since the mid-90s, too.)
 * Snickerdo 10:22, 1 February 2007 (UTC)

If there is more retail space being added, I probably wait there was some sort of updated reference for it. I'm not sure if the plaza is include in the GLA figure on the factsheet. The plaza is shown on the floorplan, so it really isn't clear.

Timminspress 04:50, 5 February 2007 (UTC)

square metres
These need to be less precise, since the square footage is obviously rounded for most malls. └ OzLawyer / talk ┐ 23:25, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

Central City
Shouldn't Central City in Surrey, BC (Formally Surrey Place Mall) large enough to be on the list as their 132+ stores places it higher than some of the entries on the list? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.80.40.79 (talk) 05:56, 8 March 2007 (UTC).

Fairview Pointe-Claire
Why is the Fairview Mall in Pointe-Claire, Quebec not on this list? According to the page for the centre, it is a million square feet.

Traditional malls only, or power centres too?
If this is meant to include power centres then they should be added, but right now it's impossible to tell. --Kevlar (talk • contribs) 18:41, 24 June 2008 (UTC)

Where's Metropolis at Metrotown
It is a huge shopping mall in Burnaby! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.49.107.236 (talk) 06:26, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 * Yeah, it's shown as 2nd largest in Canada in this news story . Needs to be on this list. 209.196.230.72 (talk) 05:28, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

Quartier DIX30
This should not be included in the list - it is a shopping complex that primarily consists of big box stores found in power centres. If it were to be included, we should include other similar centres, such as South Edmonton Common and Heartland Town Centre. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.226.29.158 (talk) 00:59, 29 July 2010 (UTC)
 * Agreed, non-enclosed shopping centres are not the topic of this list. Delete it.  209.196.230.72 (talk) 05:31, 16 August 2010 (UTC)

uptown in victoria
I removed Uptown because it was all ??? for sizes and there were no references. not only that, THE MALL ISN'T FINISHED YET. Masterhatch (talk) 14:13, 21 October 2010 (UTC)

Incomplete, Incorrect and Broken List
Firstly, I did some research and from what I can tell this list is incomplete. Maybe there is a good reason they are missing such as missing information, lack of citations, etc. In the metro Vancouver area alone, Richmond centre (250 stores), Landsdowne centre (120+ stores), Willowbrook centre (640,000 sq ft, 150 stores), and Aberdeen Centre (380,000 sq ft, 150 stores) are missing and all seem like good candidates for this list. There are probably more in other cities but I have not had a chance to check.

Secondly, related to the columns on retail floor space, some of the metric/imperial values do not match (ex. Place du Royaume 594,000sq/ft =/= 42,403.7m^2). Furthermore, if you try to sort the table by sq/ft the entries do not get sorted correctly (ie. west Edmonton mall is always near the middle), could this be due to the citations being included in this column? Argonius2 (talk) 21:45, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

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