Talk:List of level editors

"Second Life" as Level Editor?
I have a couple of objections to this being included on the list, foremost of which is the idea of Second Life being a game. It's a subject of some debate, but the fact is it's a world without a ruleset, and therefore is a platform upon which games are scripted. There are no levels to speak of. Even placing that to one side though, its building tools form an integral part of the interface. I believe it would defy the definition of "level editor" given that the construction tools are part of the core program, unlike "Hammer", "UnrealEd" et. al., which come as seperate tool sets. Sinnyo (talk) 14:00, 4 November 2008 (UTC)

Neopets Editors?
I don't know anything about anything when it comes to editing wikipedia, but, I just thought that I'd point out that Neopets has several editors for its games (Hannah and the Pirate Caves, Tyranian Mini-Gold, Escape From Meridel Castle, and Faerie Caves: Fyora's Quest, if I'm not mistaken). I've no idea how this would be added to the article, or even if it should be. 207.179.175.115 05:35, 21 August 2007 (UTC)

"GTA Vice City Cheats" editor?
I've looked and looked, and I can't find anything that suggests that there is a level editor called "GTA Vice City Cheats", aside from one post on a message board that wouldn't be a reliable source. There is one called "Vice City Ultimate Trainer", however. The only reason that I didn't edit the article is in case someone has evidence that an editor by this name exists--needless to say, Googling "GTA Vice City Cheats" brings up tons of pages with cheat codes. 74.131.21.136 00:36, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay, I'll make the change. Thanks for researching this.  Though it may be moot, since this article (list) is about to be deleted. &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 14:03, 19 September 2006 (UTC)

A few additions
Assuming this list survives AFD, would it be appropriate to add Megazeux amd ZZT? ZZT, to place this in perspective, was among the first games created by Epic Games and is a very early example of a Level Editor. Also, Tiled is a general purpose level editor (not associated with any particular game) and may fit here. Inmatarian 18:13, 19 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Sure, but you don't need to ask, just add them. You bring up a good point on ZZT, however.  Should this list include games that have level editors included or should it just be for standalone editors?  I vote for the latter. &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 18:24, 19 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Let me clarify. Megazeux and ZZT are the built-in editor types; however, they make the distinction between editor and game. The same executable can act as editor and game, but the actual games don't have editors. In fact, if you removed all of the .zzt and .mzx files from the directory, and the programs could still act as an editor for creating new games. So, they're that third type, Level Editors with Games. Inmatarian 15:35, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Clarification
I meant this list to contain level editors, but not games that just happen to have level editors included with them. Listing all the game that have integrated level editors will just bloat the list (as it is already doing). The way I see fixing things, before they get out of hand, is either:
 * 1) Remove all games that happen to have level editors
 * 2) Creating a seperate list (within the article) of games that contain level editors

Thoughts? &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 14:37, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * I don't quite understand the distinction. A level editor is a level editor, regardless of whether it is packaged in or a standalone download. Nifboy 15:41, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * The list has stand-alone level editors listed in it and also just some games that have level editors included with them. This bugs me.  Clicking on most of them will just take one to the article on the game, which usually mentions next to nothing about the level editor.  I'd like a distinction between items in the list that are actually standalone level editors and items that are actually games that have level editors.  I hope that was clear. :-S &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 17:24, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * So it's a matter of the editor having its own article (or at least some prose dedicated to it) or not? I don't think it's something a random monster editor walking in will be able to distinguish. So would StarEdit be on the list? Nifboy 23:36, 21 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Boy, that complicates things, doesn't it? Well, since it has it's own name and has a HUGE section in the article, I think, sure.  Most games that come with editors don't have their own name, as this one does.  But like I said, most articles about games don't have a special section about the level editor, and many don't mention the editor at all.  These I'd like to put in the second list (within this article -- List of games with level editors, or some such thing). &mdash; Frecklefoot | Talk 16:01, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

I would prefer a complete listing that includes games with editors and standalone editors. I agree with Nifboy that there does not seem to be a meaningful distinction. However, I do think it is worth noting the limitations of an editor. Some editors only allow users to create certain types of maps, while others give users nearly complete freedom to create any kind of content that the engine can support. Wessmaniac (talk) 23:00, 9 October 2012 (UTC)

Spore GA
Does Spore Galactic Adventures' Adventure Creator counts? 78.174.86.86 (talk) 18:05, 27 September 2009 (UTC)

Table format
Since this list has grown so much, I think putting the editors in a table makes sense. What does everyone think of this format?

It's not perfect, and doesn't meet the first normal form, but it's better than nothing. Thoughts? &mdash; Frecklefσσt | Talk 15:36, 12 November 2009 (UTC)


 * I like this idea! I was just noting some discrepancies in the alphabetical listing of the editors. It seems primarily based on the title of the game that editor was made for, but not always (see Build editor). Putting the list in table format would allow users to sort by the name of the game, the editor, or any other parameter. Wessmaniac (talk) 22:52, 9 October 2012 (UTC)


 * This article is currently more a list of games (for which editors are available) than a list of level editors. It constantly uses " Map Editor". The Name column of Frecklefoot's table will be full of " Map Editor" entries. Thousands of games must have their own editors nowadays. Maybe the page should only list editors that have or 'should' have their own Wikipedia pages. Take, for example, the current entries "Civilization II Map Editor" and "Civilization III Map Editor". Especially with those links to the games like that, aren't those more suitable for a list of games for which editors are available than a list of level editors? --82.136.210.153 (talk) 16:12, 24 September 2014 (UTC)
 * Oh, and by the way, per WP:V, all material in Wikipedia mainspace, including lists, must be verifiable. So if anyone ever starts moving the entries into a table(s), please add a Ref column. --82.136.210.153 (talk) 18:28, 4 November 2014 (UTC)

Unity Editor?
How about adding the Unity Editor ? While it resembles UnrealED towards functionality (in a different approach, of course, regarding scripting, adding dynamic entities\objects, importing assets etc.) it is still a level editor "deep down". I also believe there is a custom editor made for Unity games but I fail to remember the name. Anyway, back to the point, how about adding the Unity Editor to the list ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.96.218.253 (talk) 22:41, 1 October 2014 (UTC)

Additions
Nintendo is releasing a level creator/editor game called Mario Maker which lets you make Mario Levels. There are two unlisted games with level editors: Happy Wheels and Roblox. 38.89.246.27 (talk) 17:04, 9 October 2014 (UTC)CraftyMiner

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Toad's Tool 64?
Does Toad's Tool 64 [qubedstudios.rustedlogic.net/ToadsTool64.htm] qualify as a legit level editor? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1bcdbackup (talk • contribs) 21:05, 28 February 2018 (UTC)

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