Talk:List of long-distance motorcycle riders

Out of date
i think this page should be able to be edited as it is now quiye out of date, with many more riders -notible riderss - who should be added, why is this un-editable? BigAAlanRobertson (talk) 11:57, 18 April 2011 (UTC)


 * It should be editable. Make sure to back up the additions with reliable sources. tedder (talk) 13:56, 18 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I am all new to Wikipedia and found this article, but I totally agree that the list is absolutely outdated. I know a lot more long distance riders and their stories. I did several long distance travels on Vespa Scooters myself and I do neither understand the criteria on which the list is based nor do I understand why it is impossible to add anything. I e.g. rode on 3 Scooters unsupported in 80 days around the planet (27.113 km) and also unsupported rode all around Europe (22.450 km)in 130 days and did 10.000 km of US in 52 days unsupported and solo. There are loads of articles in the news about my trips, but will probably not be notable because I refrained of writing an article about it here ( which I understood should not be done ). So how is a list like this or Wikipedia be considered complete or articles considered notable just because somebody does not have a "Fan" writing an article about you? Sorry that is all a bit strange. La Vida Vespa (talk) 11:31, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Notability for inclusion in the list
This list was weighed down with a number of non-notable entries. There are literally hundreds of long distance motorcyclists, so there have to be some criteria set for inclusion in this list as Wikipedia is not a directory. One of the most basic criteria, which I have chosen to apply to the list, is that the subject should have a Wikipedia article. So no article, no inclusion in the list. However, if someone is considered notable then the best approach is to write the article first and then add to this list. --Biker Biker (talk) 08:10, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Biker Biker showing clear editing Bias towards UK based riders, Notable (adj.) - Worthy of Note or Notice. Apparently to Biker Biker this most only applies to Wealthy UK Based rides. This is not only Nationalistic in Bias, but also socioeconomic bias. Wikipedia stands against this sort of bias. Biker Biker does not run Wikipedia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.37.33.205 (talk) 08:39, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * And that is the sole basis of your argument? I removed those riders without an article. That is nothing to do with nationalistic bias. You will see riders left behind from multiple nations. If you can't come up with a better reason then the list will be pruned again. --Biker Biker (talk) 08:52, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * The definition of notability on Wikipedia is WP:BIO and WP:NLIST. Feel free to write articles about individuals who are actually notable by Wikipedia's standards, this article should not be a list of every rider who has crossed from one continent to another. Please also be aware of edit warring, I'd suggest discussing it here rather than continually reverting the article. tedder (talk) 09:34, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks Tedder. I agree with you, and will modify my approach accordingly. I will check all the entries without articles to determine whether they meet the notability criteria. --Biker Biker (talk) 09:40, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * While in there, can you remove the list of countries and change the website link to a reference (or remove it altogether)? External links shouldn't be in the body of an article, and the list of countries is cluttering the table. Using "must have an article" as the dividing line is appropriate, I think, because it's hard to gauge notability otherwise. There's probably a new rider every day finishing the NorthAmerica-to-SouthAmerica ride, for instance. tedder (talk) 09:52, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
 * FWIW, we should remember that with all due consideration of the Write the article first guideline, Notability guidelines do not limit content within an article. Redlinks are, in principle, permissible on lists. Some redlinks should never be created, but there is plenty of wiggle room and the abolute standard of WP:Notability doesn't, strictly speaking, need to be met in order to create a redlink -- you just need a reasonable belief that an article can and should exist. Some lists, however, are poorly served by redlinks and so the list definition includes has an article as a criterion. List of motorcycle clubs is a good example. On the other hand, List of outlaw motorcycle clubs includes several redlinks, with the criterion that a footnote verifies notability.In the case of this list of intercontinental motorcycle riders, I think redlinks are not a good idea, because the category is potentially huge and unmanageable, and so to keep the list from being a grab bag of trivia, only riders with articles should be included. In this case. Proposed names for future articles can be listed here or in Requested articles/Applied arts and sciences/Transport. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:04, 23 April 2011 (UTC)


 * And there is no rule that all list items must be linked. Some can be subjects that are not redlinked because they will never have an article, but still veritably meet the list criteria -- whatever those criteria are. But I probably would avoid doing that on this list. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Potential new articles

 * Notability not established: Grant Johnson, Peter Forwood, Arto Rasimus, Dave Greenhough, Gren Heggstad, Frederic Journoud, Jim Oliver, Dennis O'Neil, Matt Tomasi, Elspeth Beard


 * Notable enough for future article:
 * Helge Pedersen
 * GlobeRiders Eurasian Odyssey. Candace Smith. The Booklist. Chicago: Jan 1-Jan 15, 2010. Vol. 106, Iss. 9/10; pg. 101, 1 pgs
 * Professor Puts Wheels 2 Africa In Motion. Joe Kennedy. Roanoke Times & World News. Roanoke, Va.: Aug 30, 2006. P. B.1
 * Takes Five; Helge Pedersen; Adventure Beckoned, And He Set Off On Two Wheels. Mark Hoffman. Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Milwaukee, Wis.: Mar 14, 2006. P. A.2
 * 2 Months, 2 Wheels Waukegan Man Taking Foreign Motorcycle Trip Of A Lifetime; Kate Grusich. Daily Herald. Arlington Heights, Ill.: May 7, 2002. P. 4
 * Outdoor Adventure Tales -- Cool Books For A Winter's Day; Paul Mchugh, Chronicle Outdoors Writer. San Francisco Chronicle. San Francisco, Calif.: Dec 3, 1998. P. B.9
 * World Biker Returns, With A Story To Tell // Books: Adventurer Turned Author Helge Pedersen Will Discuss His 10 Years On Two Wheels During A Fullerton Visit. Valerie Takahama:The Orange County Register. Orange County Register. Santa Ana, Calif.: Nov 13, 1998. P. F.05
 * Continental Drifter. Wendy F Black. Cycle World. New York: Nov 1998. Vol. 37, Iss. 11; P. 38 (5 Pages)
 * Olga: My Very Significant Other. Helge Pedersen. Cycle World. New York: Nov 1998. Vol. 37, Iss. 11; P. 42 (1 Page)
 * A Unique View Of The World. Rick Nathanson. Albuquerque Journal. Albuquerque, N.M.: Oct 25, 1998. P. C.1
 * A Unique View Of The World. Rick Nathanson. Albuquerque Journal. Albuquerque, N.M.: Oct 25, 1998. P. C.1


 * Chris Ratay
 * 101,000 Miles And Four Years Later. Jeremy Boren. Newsday. (Combined editions). Long Island, N.Y.: Aug 7, 2003. pg. A.08
 * Guinness World Records 2005. Claire Folkard, Guinness World Records Limited, Jackie Freshfield, Carla Masson, Rob Dimery.	Guinness World Records Ltd, 2004 ISBN 9780851121925. Page 42.
 * Avis and Effie Hotchkiss
 * Avis and Effie Hotchkiss
 * Avis and Effie Hotchkiss


 * Clara Wagner
 * The Original Babes on Bikes. William G Carrington. Dealernews. Cleveland: 2005. p. 30 (2 pages)
 * 'Designs Through Time' raises cycling to an art; Melissa Mansfield, Associated Press. Chicago Tribune. Chicago, Ill.: Jun 13, 2004. p. 21.B
 * Motorcycles & memorabilia; Albany exhibit takes viewers on a wild ride through history; Melissa Mansfield. Telegraph - Herald. Dubuque, Iowa: Mar 28, 2004. p. E.7
 * Motorcycles & memorabilia; Albany exhibit takes viewers on a wild ride through history; Melissa Mansfield. Telegraph - Herald. Dubuque, Iowa: Mar 28, 2004. p. E.7


 * Article exists. Missing from list:
 * Simon Milward --Dennis Bratland (talk) 03:57, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Walter Colebatch
Besides his own websites, and, there is no independent coverage of Walter Colebatch in reliable sources. This fails WP:SPS and Notability (people). --Dennis Bratland (talk) 20:28, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

Just for the record, that's not correct. Some examples for your reference:

(1) "Building the Ultimate Adventure Motorcycle", Robert Wicks, Haynes, 2010. Page 47 features a summary of the Sibirsky Extreme project, its principle (Walter Colebatch), and his motorcycle, taking up exactly half the page. More significantly, pages 124 - 137 (14 full pages) are exclusively a detailed profile of the Sibirsky Extreme Project. This includes the following introductory extract by the author on page 125: "Walter Colebatch is a well-known adventure motorcyclist who has travelled the globe on two wheels for many years." Additionally there are further passing mentions of the principle or the project, or photographs relating specifically to the Sibirsky Extreme Project on pages 2, 4, 5, 31, 40, 41, 65, 171 and 174.

(2) The Tokyo to London Project was, as the name suggests, a motorcycle Journey from Tokyo to London back in 1994 by Walter Colebatch and companion James Mudie. The story was documented in detail by 13 different motorcycle magazines around the world in 1995 and 1996. Among those are the following 6 magazines (I dont have copies of the other 7):

Motorcycle International (U.K.) April 1996 edition (#131), "Tokyo to London Part 1", pp 66 - 72

Motorcycle International (U.K.) May 1996 edition (#132), "Tokyo to London Part 2", pp 60 - 66

Motorcycle International (U.K.) June 1996 edition (#133), "Tokyo to London Part 3", pp 82 - 87

Moto 73 (Netherlands) 1995 issue 20, "Monsterreis Tokio - Londen; Van Taiga tot Hyde Park, deel 1", pp 58 - 65

Moto 73 (Netherlands) 1995 issue 21, "Monsterreis Tokio - Londen; Van Taiga tot Hyde Park, deel 2", pp 54 - 60

Super Bike (Sweden) June 1995 Edition, "Tokyo-London, del 1", pp 48 - 54

Super Bike (Sweden) July 1995 Edition, "Tokyo-London, del 2", pp 36 - 42

Moto Revue (France) No 3185 (18 May 1995), "Aventure Marathon: De Shangai a Londres en Transalp - 1re partie", pp 44 - 49

Moto Revue (France) No 3187 (1 Jun 1995), "Aventure Marathon: De Shangai a Londres en Transalp - 2e partie", pp 54 - 60

Motorrad Magazin (Austria) No 2 (May 1995), "Der Reise vom Ende der Welt", pp 84 - 92

Two Wheels (Australia) May 1996, "The Tokyo to London Project" pp 65 - 73

Two Wheels (Australia) June 1996, "The Tokyo to London Project - Part 2" pp 65 - 73

The Tokyo to London Project and Walter Colebatch were also covered in non-motorcycling publications such as Australian Geographic, No 40 (October - December 1995), "Adventure and Expedition News", p34, and countless newspaper articles. Colebatch (talk) 10:12, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Regardless of any of those references, it is very hard to take seriously a self-publicist. If you are truly notable then let somebody else write about you. --Biker Biker (talk) 10:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Biker Biker, I think it is pretty obvious that in the comments above, I was not writing an article about myself. I was pointing out that the statement Dennis made was not correct and provided references for that, for the sake of 3rd parties.  Your first sentence sounds a bit juvenile, or at the very best, unprofessional ... references don't count, you imply?  Sounds like you have a predetermined agenda.  My understanding was that is was ALL about references and not about personal biases.Colebatch (talk) 12:50, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * You obviously misread my post, so let's put it in simple words. "Even though there are third party references, you should not be writing autobiographical material on Wikipedia" --Biker Biker (talk) 13:08, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Biker Biker, If you keep shooting from the hip, its not surprising that you will shoot yourself in the foot sometimes. Lets state the obvious for you: I was not writing autobiographical material on Wikipedia, I was correcting a false statement concerning me on a talk page, by providing references.  How's that?  Sinking in yet? Colebatch (talk) 13:16, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * "I was not writing autobiographical material on Wikipedia". So it wasn't you that wrote about Walter Colebatch in this article, or created the Walter Colebatch article, or the sibirsky extreme article? That is what I meant by autobiographical. The fact that you have added some seemingly good references to this page means that another editor, should they choose to do so, could use them (subject to verification) to add content to Wikipedia. --Biker Biker (talk) 14:15, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * Let me get this straight: You, Biker Biker, editor extraordinaire, personally do not believe I have the personal right of reply when there is a incorrect statement about me posted on the internet, is that correct?  You believe I was wrong and out of order to personally correct a false statement about me?  Is that honestly what you are trying to say?  Is that really the best justification you have for your attempt to belittle the fact that I posted references to counter what someone else had said, seemingly in error?  You attempt to use a condescending tone to disguise the fact that you are apparently as sharp as a beachball.  You deliberately turn each conversation away from the immediate subject to anywhere where you can find more ammunition for your personal attacks.  I think you are well out of order.   I dont think its appropriate behaviour for an editor at all.  You seem to think you are beyond reproach.  Your self belief is admirable, or at least would be if it were not so misplaced, in which case it becomes mockable.  Do you honestly claim I was out of order and out of place to offer references to counter a statement I believe to be false?  (as offering references is 'writing autobiographical material').  Thats not a rhetorical question by the way ... I really want to know. Do I really, in your eyes, not have a personal right of reply?Colebatch (talk) 23:31, 11 June 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't recall saying any of that. You are reading far more into my words than I actually posted. Everyone has a right to reply and you have done that on this talk page by posting some references to counter an earlier statement that there were no reliable third party references. My statement about autobiographical contributions relates to article content not talk pages. You really need to calm down - or get out and ride your bike for a while. --Biker Biker (talk) 07:54, 12 June 2011 (UTC)


 * As I pointed out above, my responses above have nothing to do with any 'article'. My initial posting of references above was a response to Dennis' initial statement.  You decided to twist the topic to an article.  It wasn't what I was talking about, and I made that clear many times in my responses to you above.  You simply added in the 'article' so you could throw some mud, and that's your lack of objectivity and professionalism I now refer to.  Thank you for clarifying that I do have a right of reply.  Which only leads me to wonder, why did you even began to protest it?


 * For your guide, I was asked to write an article for Wikipedia by a 3rd party, and I came here in good faith, but totally naive to the processes involved. Dennis subsequently made it clear (in quite a professional manner) that he did not think that the way I approached it was suitable for Wikipedia.  I accepted that, and made it clear that I would not, therefore, be pursuing the writing of any articles.  But you actually know all that.  You read all the conversations between myself and Dennis.  Dennis seemed to pick up that I was here attempting to contribute in good faith - perhaps it was obvious since I was writing in my own name (once I knew how) and acknowledging my inputs when questioned by Dennis.  So either you weren't bright enough to pick up that I was here in good faith, of you did pick it up but wanted to act like a schoolyard bully and throw some mud anyway - while hiding behind the convenient anonymity of a pseudonym.  So what are you:  Dim or a cowardly bully?  It has to be one of the two, doesn't it?  Either you got it, or you didn't.  I may have been naive in my initial dealings with Wikipedia, but you, on the other hand, have been a prat.Colebatch (talk) 06:29, 13 June 2011 (UTC)


 * If Dennis wants to remove this section here, he is welcome to. I did not make the post to promote "my agenda" ... as I have explained to Dennis, I have no further interest in contributing an article about myself.  I did, however, post the references above as I didn't want Dennis' initial post stating there were 'no 3rd party references in reliable sources' to go unchallenged.  If Dennis was not going to take that sentence down, then I didnt want it standing unchallenged, because, as I documented above, it is incorrect.  But thanks for your typically non-constructive input.Colebatch (talk) 12:59, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

List criteria
Why does this list start arbitrarily at the 1930s? It leaves out Bessie Stringfield, for example.I'm also confused about the "independent" and "not part of an organized tour" criterion. Wouldn't that leave out the Long Way Down series, since they traveled with a crew and a truck? --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:09, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
 * I think it is down to the person who set the list up in the first place. We inherited a pig and the changes that I did have put lipstick on it - but it's still a pig. Feel free to change/improve - I definitely agree that Stringfield should be added. --Biker Biker (talk) 19:27, 24 April 2011 (UTC)

Also someone might look to include James C Wilson and his companion who rode across Africa around 1930. Wilson wrote a best selling book named Three Wheeling Through Africa, they had a sidecar rig. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.106.144.31 (talk) 04:11, 17 December 2012 (UTC)


 * Serialized in Popular Mechanics: . Book. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:41, 17 December 2012 (UTC)

Proposed refactoring of table
The table has too much fussy detail and too many columns that don't apply to all riders. Ocean crossings, whether it was hemispherical or not, which continents, etc can all be consolidated into a concise summary of the route. Not all trips had a name, and that can be covered on the subject's own page. Not all trips had a book about them. Having fewer, more generalized columns allows space to be used more efficiently. Removed table borders for less chartjunk. Added a motorcycle only/support crew column, since that's fairly pivotal.

--Dennis Bratland (talk) 22:04, 24 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Great idea, it has my full support. --Biker Biker (talk) 07:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposed move

 * The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 03:43, 2 May 2011 (UTC)

List of intercontinental motorcycle riders → List of long-distance motorcycle riders – Since Intercontinental motorcycle touring now redirects to Long-distance riding (possibly to be renamed Long-distance motorcycling) it makes sense for this list to align with the main article. A special class of intercontinental long distance riders is arbitrary, and having the list include all long-distance riders who are notable enough to have a Wikipedia article makes the list definition and maintenance straightforward and simple. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 04:20, 25 April 2011 (UTC)


 * Support - a common sense rename. --Biker Biker (talk) 07:24, 25 April 2011 (UTC)
 * The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Spencer Conway
Proposed addition. Write the article first. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 18:47, 19 February 2012 (UTC)
 * Here are some sources for the article. Cheers. Brianhe (talk) 22:03, 31 December 2012 (UTC)



Define "long-distance motorcycle ride"
What exactly constitutes a "long-distance motorcycle ride"? Is there a minimum distance? Does the purpose of the ride matter? This list seems to be focused on riders who set out to ride from A to B just for the sake of doing so, or to set some kind of new record. But what about (for example) Che Guevara and Alberto Granado, whose (historically important) 5000 miles in 1952 were more of a extended journey by motorcycle than an A-to-B challenge? -Jason A. Quest (talk) 14:32, 29 December 2012 (UTC)
 * Making up some number of miles is original research. It's one of the ways Wikipedians bypass what sources give us and get to create content based on our own opinions. On the other hand, you can be guided by sources and ask, "Why is the source covering this person or this ride?" If the answer is because of the length of the ride, then they belong on this list. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:15, 29 December 2012 (UTC)

Gareth and Jo Morgan
Proposed addition. An ongoing project to traverse the world by motorcycle. Gareth Morgan is very well known in New Zealand; his wife Jo has been on every trip with him on her own motorcycle, and there are usually 2-4 others on each trip. Five books written so far. They got some international news coverage recently for their crossing of the border from North Korea in South Korea..- gadfium 23:19, 29 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Yeah, I guess there are a reasonable number of news articles about Gareth Morgan's motorcycle rides. I'm beginning to think we need to think of some criterion here. There's certainly not a list of every single person who has climbed Mt. Everest. At one time it was an extraordinary feat, but it's gotten so now thousands have done it. Robert Fulton's ride around the world was extraordinary for the times and for the limitations of the machinery and infrastructure then. But now anybody with a little money can bike around the world. On the other hand, if the newspapers think it's worth writing about, then we might as well list it. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 00:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)

Resource
History of overlanding before 1920, from Overland Magazine. -- Brianhe (talk) 23:26, 29 April 2014 (UTC)

Possibly notable
A SPS from an anon editor (Hong Kong IP) has been removed, but the ride might actually be notable. Sources can be filed below in case of interest in reintroduction to this list. - Brianhe (talk) 17:10, 29 June 2015 (UTC)

Buck Perley and Amy Mathieson
Buck Perley and Amy Mathieson are in the 2015 Guinness Book, and record was recently broken. . --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:11, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Peter and Kay Forwood
A fifteen year journey around the world on a Harley Davidson, including roads generally considered adventure bike material rather than suitable for such a bike (e.g. the Rainbow Road in New Zealand, a 4-wheel-drive track). Their website says they have done over 610,000 km on that bike (now on its second engine), but the major claim is that they visited all 193 countries to have substantial international recognition at the time they completed the ride in 2008. Their website is http://www.horizonsunlimited.com/forwood/index.shtml, and they did press interviews along the way so finding third-party sources should be doable. For example, http://www.stuff.co.nz/southland-times/news/702023/Couple-take-record-one-country-at-a-time.

I note that there is no Wikipedia article on this couple as yet, and agree that should be a prerequisite to appearing in this list.- gadfium 07:24, 21 March 2016 (UTC)

Keith Thye and Dave Yaden, Moto Raid
Following info deposited on top of the list by a new editor:


 * 1963 Keith Thye and Dave Yaden. 6 months Portland Oregon to Pucon Chile. Two 1958 R50 BMWs, 25,000 miles. Chronicled in Moto Raid ISBN 0944958486. Trip repeated in 2013 by Keith and Dave, 50 years later.

Saved here for future possibilities. - Brianhe (talk) 06:52, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

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Henrik Loman
Addition without corresponding article.

Will need better sourcing than Facebook, obvs. - Bri (talk) 16:53, 26 June 2017 (UTC)


 * This is better than a FB page, but it's not much. I think we need to keep raising the bar for inclusion on this list. These rides today are not as unusual as they once were. There are commercial tour companies that organize and support riders for these kinds of trips. It's not much different than being one of the thousands who climb Mt Everest today. --Dennis Bratland (talk) 16:41, 31 August 2017 (UTC)

World record or just achievement, if achievement then what is the criteria?
Hi Dennis, sorry, as mentioned I am new to submissions and only now realized that responding should not be done via editing conversation but rather a new section (apologies). Back to subject, fully agree that it needs to be an achievement as such or even a world record. From what I have red this guy road unsupported solo, none-sponsored through 26 Countries on the same bike (including Myanmar, Australia and North America). Started at the most east coast of Ireland, and ended the most West point of New York Have not seen any other Swedish riders doing a 360. What do you feel the criteria should be. Thanks Dennis. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EricGunnar (talk • contribs) 13:29, 1 September 2017 (UTC)

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Elspeth Beard and Anne France Dautheville
Stunned not to see Elspeth Beard nor Anne-France Dautheville on the list.

Elspeth Beard is the first British woman to go around the world by motorcycle and probably only the second woman to do so. She began her round the world journey in 1982, using a BMW R60/6 motorcycle. She desgined and welded her own panniers in Australia, after realizing the soft bags she had wouldn't meet her needs for the trip. She was by herself for most of this trip, and that presented incredible challenges, both because she was alone and because she is female. Her 2017 autobiography Lone Rider chronicles the circumnavigation. Unsupported and unsponsored. Beard made this trip at a time when very few women were traveling long distances by motorcycle, even within their own countries. The out-and-out hostility she gets from daring to travel this way in the 1980s, even in the USA, is jaw-dropping and like nothing other bikers on the Wikipedia list had to face.

As for Anne France Dautheville, French journalist and writer: in 1973 at the age of 28, she rode around the world on a Kawasaki 125. Both of her books, in French only, are out of print.

Submitted by: Jcravens42 06:01, 05 January 2020 (UTC-8)


 * This probably meets WP:NBIO criteria and could be turned into an article. Once there's an article, it can be added to this list. Ping me if you need help; I've done a few myself. ☆ Bri (talk) 22:04, 3 September 2020 (UTC)