Talk:List of low-budget zombie films

Problems
-- Green Cardamom (talk) 01:15, 30 September 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) The references column uses bare URL's, it should use inline citations.
 * 2) The source is all to IMDB, which is not reliable. It should source to reliable sources. NYT etc..
 * 3) It should list the budget for each film, and then say in the lead section what the article defines as "low budget" so the list has a clear delineation. For example, "This list considers anything under $1 million as low budget", and then each film has a reliable source listing its budget. Otherwise it is completely random whatever any Wikipedia editors want to add based on varying opinions of what low budget means.

--  Vanquisher.UA  (talk) 15:36, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * 1) Bare URL's used as counter of films and as link to IMDB so avoiding of masking is needed;
 * 2) Agree, each film in this list ' must have at least one citation (it must be putted in Reference-column of table);
 * 3) Agree, low-budget film usually is unpopular so that list of zombie films must included only unpopular ones so rules really needed.

Proposition for Rules of contribution based on fact: Low-budget is equal to Low Popularity
Low-budget film usually have low popularity. For example, popularity of all entries of List of zombie other films from IMDb-data (for 3 October 2013) is

2 — Ratings: 4.9/10 from 27 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

2056 Escape from Zombie Island — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

Another Night of the Living Dead — Ratings: 3.8/10 from 29 users; Reviews: 1 user | 0 critic

Actiongirls: Soldiers of the Dead — Part 1 — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

Batoru gâru: Tokyo crisis wars — Ratings: 5.1/10 from 72 users; Reviews: 7 user | 20 critic

Benefit for the Living Dead — Ratings: 4.3/10 from 70 users; Reviews: 2 user | 0 critic

Beyond Fucked: A Zombie Odyssey — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

Cost of the Living: A Zom Rom Com — Ratings: 7.8/10 from 49 users; Reviews: 1 user | 0 critic

Crossclub: The Legend of the Living Dead — Ratings: 4.0/10 from 61 users; Reviews: 1 user | 2 critic

Dawn of the Head — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 4 critic

Dawna of the Dead — Ratings: 4.8/10 from 47 users; Reviews: 4 user | 2 critic

The Dead Come Home — Ratings: 4.9/10 from 330 users; Reviews: 33 user | 5 critic

Death of the Dead — Ratings: 7.5/10 from 21 users; Reviews: 1 user | 8 critic

Dorm of the Dead (2011) — Ratings: 2.0/10 from 169 users; Reviews: 10 user | 21 critic

Dorm of the Dead (2012) — Ratings: 2.9/10 from 91 users; Reviews: 1 user | 1 critic

Forest of the Dead — Ratings: 3.3/10 from 87 users; Reviews: 4 user | 5 critic

Graveyard of the Living Dead — Ratings: 4.6/10 from 28 users; Reviews: 1 user | 2 critic

I Can't Believe I Fucked a Zombie — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

Island of the Living Dead — Ratings: 3.5/10 from 127 users; Reviews: 4 user | 10 critic

Knight of the Living Dead — Ratings: 3.0/10 from 105 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

Living Dead Lock Up — Ratings: 4.2/10 from 31 users; Reviews: 2 user | 5 critic

Living Dead Lock Up 2: March of the Dead — Ratings: 3.5/10 from 70 users; Reviews: 2 user | 0 critic

Living Dead Lock Up 3: Siege of the Dead — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

The Lost Way of the Zombies — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 1 critic

Museum of the Dead — Ratings: 1.9/10 from 115 users; Reviews: 8 user | 3 critic

Mutation — Ratings: 4.7/10 from 102 users; Reviews: 3 user | 2 critic

Mutation 2 - Generation Dead — Ratings: 5.4/10 from 39 users; Reviews: 0 user | 1 critic

Mutation 3 - Century of the Dead — Ratings: 5.4/10 from 25 users; Reviews: 1 user | 1 critic

Mutation — Annihilation — Ratings: 4.6/10 from 29 users; Reviews: 0 user | 1 critic

The Naked and the Living Dead — Ratings: 5.8/10 from 9 users; Reviews: 1 user | 1 critic

Natural Born Zombie Killers — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Son of the Bride of the Return of the Revenge of the Terror of the Attack of the Evil, Mutant, Alien, Flesh Eating, Hellbound, Zombified Living Dead Part 2: In Shocking 2-D — Ratings: 4.3/10 from 539 users; Reviews: 28 user | 3 critic

Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Son of the Bride of the Return of the Revenge of the Terror of the Attack of the Evil, Mutant, Hellbound, Flesh-Eating Subhumanoid Zombified Living Dead, Part 3 — Ratings: 3.8/10 from 167 users; Reviews: 2 user | 3 critic

Night of the Day of the Dawn of the Son of the Bride of the Return of the Revenge of the Terror of the Attack of the Evil Mutant Hellbound Flesh Eating Crawling Alien Zombified Subhumanoid Living Dead, Part 5 — Ratings: 3.7/10 from 43 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

Night of the Giving Head — Ratings: 6.5/10 from 13 users; Reviews: 1 user | 3 critic

Night of the Living Babes — Ratings: 6.1/10 from 33 users; Reviews: 2 user | 0 critic

Nightmare of the Living Dead — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

Porn of the Dead — Ratings: 4.7/10 from 100 users; Reviews: 3 user | 11 critic

Porn Star Zombies — Ratings: 2.1/10 from 132 users; Reviews: 3 user | 1 critic

Romeo & Juliet vs. The Living Dead — Ratings: 6.4/10 from 52 users; Reviews: 1 user | 6 critic

Santa Claus Versus the Zombies — Ratings: 3.6/10 from 86 users; Reviews: 2 user | 1 critic

Shadows of the Dead (1931) — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

Shadows of the Dead (2004) — Ratings: 3.1/10 from 261 users; Reviews: 63 user | 12 critic

Song of the Dead — Ratings: 6.5/10 from 97 users; Reviews: 7 user | 3 critic

Storm of the Dead — Ratings: 2.8/10 from 124 users; Reviews: 7 user | 4 critic

Street of the Dead — Ratings: 4.5/10 from 15 users; Reviews: 0 user | 1 critic

The Walking Dead: A Hardcore Parody — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 5 critic

Zombie Attack — Ratings: 0/10 from 0 users; Reviews: 0 user | 0 critic

Zombie Girl: The Movie — Ratings: 6.8/10 from 350 users; Reviews: 5 user | 25 critic

Zombie: The Resurrection  — Ratings: 5.4/10 from 10 users; Reviews: 0 user | 3 critic

Comparing with statistics of some more notable entries from List of zombie films:

The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari — Ratings: 8.0/10 from 27851 users; Reviews: 155 user | 108 critic

White Zombie — Ratings: 6.4/10 from 4836 users; Reviews: 111 user | 86 critic

Return of the Blind Dead — Ratings: 5.6/10 from 1380 users; Reviews: 50 user | 40 critic

Zombie 4: After Death — Ratings: 3.3/10 from 1342 users; Reviews: 66 user | 41 critic

Zombie 5: Killing Birds — Ratings: 2.8/10 from 754 users; Reviews: 27 user | 33 critic

Zombie Lake — Ratings: 2.7/10 from 1978 users; Reviews: 83 user | 70 critic

Zombies! Zombies! Zombies! — Ratings: 3.9/10 from 1974 users; Reviews: 22 user | 30 critic

A Virgin Among the Living Dead — Ratings: 4.1/10 from 1266 users; Reviews: 47 user | 54 critic

Ada: Zombilerin dügünü — Ratings: 4.9/10 from 825 users; Reviews: 5 user | 2 critic

I Walked with a Zombie — Ratings: 7.2/10 from 5737 users; Reviews: 70 user | 62 critic

Return of the Living Dead: Rave to the Grave — Ratings: 3.0/10 from 2762 users; Reviews: 42 user | 34 critic

[Rec] — Ratings: 7.5/10 from 93515 users; Reviews: 344 user | 226 critic

Land of the Dead — Ratings: 6.3/10 from 64742 users; Reviews: 651 user | 244 critic


 * Result: Low-budget is equal to low-popular. Number of IMDb voters (it's reliable data) may be a criterion for deciding where zombie film must be placed (List of zombie films or List of zombie other films).
 * Propose No.1: If number of IMDb voters less than down-rounded number IMDb voters for film A Virgin Among the Living Dead (currently (3 October 2013) this threshold must be 1000) than that film must be placed in List of zombie other films in other case in List of zombie films.
 * Propose No.2: If zombie film is part of franchise than previous rule applied to all franchise but comparison must be done for MOST popular film of franchise. For example, Zombie 5: Killing Birds with IMDb number of voters equal to 754 less than 1000 and by proposed rule No.1 must be placed in List of zombie other films, but even previous one from franchise - Zombie 4: After Death have IMDb number of voters equal to 1342, so according to proposed rule No.2 that film must be placed in List of zombie films.

-- Vanquisher.UA  (talk) 20:37, 3 October 2013 (UTC)
 * (minority changes: renaming title of section). In any case, we await for anybody for discussing proposed rules. -- Vanquisher.UA  (talk) 23:02, 12 October 2013 (UTC)


 * Suggest not relying on the number of IMDB voters as a criterion, as that is user submitted data, but rather use the number of critics reviews so you can also consider other aggregate places such as Rotten Tomatoes. -AngusWOOF (talk) 23:23, 25 October 2013 (UTC)
 * IMDb is used as example about how get criteria for decision. But your proposal as proposal above (with any other acceptable sites than IMDb) needs to be discussed. Agree, number of critics (professional or not) review is also can be criteria of decision. Low-popularity film have usually to small user voters, user review and, generally, a few critics review. More over, some part low-budget film doesn't have even user review on IMDb and find any critics review for them is big problem. Unfortunately, some authors (for example, Dendle ) included such films in his book (see films by Timo Rose and other low-budget filmmakers). So, as I think, citing books is not criteria of HIGH-budget but online human activity on internet page about film maybe can be useful (IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, AllRovi, etc.). thanks. -- Vanquisher.UA  (talk) 01:00, 26 October 2013 (UTC)