Talk:List of medical schools in the United Kingdom/Archive 1

Historic Medical Schools
There used to be a number of non-university medical schools in the UK. The last of these were closed during the second world war: in Edinburgh and Glasgow.

In Edinburgh, students accumulated "duly performed" certificates from classes and clinics to become eligible to take the examinations. For the university exams, at least half of the classes had to be in the university, but the rest could be from teachers recognised by the Royal Colleges (a kind of Privatdozent system, as this could be a stepping stone to a university post) in the 19th century. These teachers were later organised into a single extramural school. There was at one time a separate School of Medicine for Women. Both university and extra-mural students could qualify with the licentiate exams of the Royal Colleges of Physicians and Surgeons.

In the Glasgow Medical School, after the university migrated westwards and a new Western Infirmary was built, the Royal Infirmary set up its own medical school in 1876. This became part of St Mungo's College, which could not grant degrees and was part of the extra-mural system. Anderson's University/College (the non degree-granting precursor of Strathclyde University) had its own Medical Faculty from 1800: this became the independent Anderson's College Medical School in 1887. It similarly prepared students for the LRCP, LRCS, LRFPS diploma or the equivalent English Conjoint examinations. These were taken by large numbers of Americans who were excluded from US East Coast schools by the Jewish quotas applied before the war.

Most of the teaching hospitals in London were founded centuries before the University of London. Their students qualified with diplomas from the Royal College of Surgeons and/or the Worshipful Society of Apothecaries, and latterly (until 1999) the Conjoint diplomas of MRCS, LRCP. When university degrees became available, the other diplomas were often attempted first. Until recent decades, most of the pre-clinical output of the Oxford and Cambridge universities went to the London teaching hospitals: they could return to their original universities to take their medical degrees, or take the London qualifications. Before medical education became systematically ordered in the 19th century, it was possible to count attendance at a London hospital towards an Edinburgh or Glasgow degree.

Ireland used to be part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland, so graduates from Cork, Galway and Dublin (Trinty College and University College) used to be UK graduates. Dublin has the last surviving non-university medical school, run by the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland, where the degrees of the National University of Ireland have only recently begun to be awarded. The RCSI awarded its licentiate to medical students of the former Catholic University of Ireland, which existed while Ireland was in the UK. NRPanikker 11:25, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Interesting! Could you provide references for these? I'd like to integrate it into the article or another article: I'm sure nuances such as these can be covered better in a separate article. CloudNine 11:33, 23 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I see you have set up a new List of historical medical schools in the United Kingdom, which I am sure would be a better place for this information.


 * Another category that might be worth adding to the main article is the off-shore medical schools (mainly, I think, American institutions based in the Caribbean) which have a clinical foothold in the UK.


 * There are also some fairly new English-medium medical schools in Eastern Europe which have an international intake, similar to that of the Dublin-based School of Medicine of the Royal College of Surgeons in Ireland. They might be better placed somewhere else, along with the RCSI's venture in the Persian Gulf. NRPanikker 15:22, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

Postgraduate Medical Schools
Does Swansea still also take undergraduates now or should it be mentioned alongside Warwick?Zagubov 12:11, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

Edinburgh University
The main table states that medicine was taught in Edinburgh from the 16th century: this must refer to the Incorporation of Barbers and Surgeons, forerunner of the Royal College of Surgeons of Edinburgh, rather than the University of Edinburgh. Later, before the Faculty of Medicine was established in 1726, candidates for a university MD were examined by the Royal College of Physicians of Edinburgh rather than by university staff. NRPanikker 10:13, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

GMC
We ought to mention somewhere that the General Medical Council regulates medical schools too, and that various unrecognised institutions have been criticised by the GMC for their willingness to offer "medical degrees" that are void inside the UK without PLAB. JFW | T@lk  20:31, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

First English-speaking medical school in the world
I believe that Aberdeen was the first medical school in the English-speaking world, rather than the first English-speaking medical school in the world: classes were given in Latin in 1495. Ceiriog (talk) 09:32, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Degree-issuing medical schools
I have changed the opening paragraph - I felt that the former wording implied that each of the thirty-two medical schools themselves issue degrees. Degrees are conferred by universities, not by medical schools, and in some cases one university confers the degrees of several medical schools (eg University of London confers degrees to the London medical schools (except Imperial since 2007), Manchester is degree-awarding body for Keele & Manchester graduates, Newcastle is for Durham and Newcastle, etc). Ceiriog (talk) 10:25, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Wrexham Medical Institute
Can Wrexham Medical Institute be classified as a medical school. the link on the page redirects to a 404 page and I can find no reference that it is anything other than a specialised teaching hospital - Thus it should be removed from the page.

As such I will remove the box until further discussion indicates otherwise. To be clear, it does not grant degrees, has no students of it's own, and has little/no references to it on the internetXyphoid (talk) 17:42, 7 September 2013 (UTC)

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