Talk:List of members of London County Council 1889–1919

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Some tweaking required - eg Ben Cooper, Quintin Hogg, possibly John Lewis, and a few others. Jackiespeel (talk) 17:45, 18 November 2009 (UTC)
 * They're all in there: what tweaking do they need? Lozleader (talk) 10:57, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Some go to the wrong persons or disambiguation pages - in addition to the above Robert Lyon, William Phillips, James Beal, and John Hutton. Some of the disambiguation pages do not obviously relate to members of the LCC. 14:40, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Righty-ho Lozleader (talk) 16:22, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
 * John Lewis of department store fame was indeed a member of the LCC. Will check the others. Lozleader (talk) 16:25, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Some of us prefer writing the articles and being 'tweaker-spotters' to 'persuading the links to work' (g).

Will start the ball rolling on a few. 16:31, 20 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. Ben Cooper was prominent in the Cigar Makers Union, not sure if he warrants an article. I believe this was probably a redlink originally, and the Ben Cooper article (on some US actor I've never heard of) was created after this one. I've de-linked. Lozleader (talk) 16:35, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

'Some' might be notable enough - or 'an alphabetical list of LCC members with one sentence descriptives and dates' might be more appropriate. 21:56, 20 November 2009 (UTC)

Party Labels
There are some descriptive inconsistencies in this page that need to be eliminated. All the Progressive members were styled as Progressives, regardless of whether they were Liberal or Labour party members. Either this page should indicate if they were Liberal or Labour, or it should not distinguish at all. Example: the Labour politician, Harry Gosling is described as 'Labour Progressive' while the Liberal politician John Benn is described as 'Progressive'. The same consistency should apply to the party colours. Graemp (talk) 07:07, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * Hmmmm. The descriptions of the parties are derived from the nominations/results lists as published at the time. For instance the Labour Representation League / Social Democratic Federation sponsored candidates and had their own manifesto at the 1892 elections, and formed a distinct group or "Labour bench" on the council who held meetings separate from the (mainstream) Progressive Party members sponsored by the London Liberal and Radical Union. Obviously they worked together (the Progressives not opposing the Labour candidates in most cases, and allowing them to nominate aldermen and committee members) but I'm not sure they were actually the same party.Lozleader (talk) 12:32, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

The descriptions of the party labels published at the time show different labels for the same candidate, as was often the case for UK elections, which may explain some confusion. What was not confusing was which party whip an individual subsequently took. There was no Labour Progressive whip but there was a Labour whip and a Progressive whip. Gosling and Crooks were elected as Progressives and took the Progressive whip. The link to "Politics and the People of London 1889-1965" at the bottom will tell you all you need to know. Graemp (talk) 08:03, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Listing v Biog Details
These lists contain some biographical details of members which, whilst interesting, create a cluttered appearance when placed in a table. There is no need to have any biographical details for any member who had their own page with this information. In cases where a member does not have a page, this biographical information should be very brief. Example of the member who died in battle with a sentence explaining what happened is just too long. Graemp (talk) 07:29, 30 November 2009 (UTC)
 * I think the "biographical details" you refer to are simply there to explain why a vacancy occurred mid-term (resignation, death etc.). When I have been editing this article I have created a link to anyone who seemed to be worthy of a future article where their life (e.g as an M.P., architect, trade union leader, leading businessman) can be explored, and left the others as unlinked text. If you think Sebag-Montefiore's demise should be abbreviated so be it. Some of this stuff could go in footnotes in any case.Lozleader (talk) 12:46, 30 November 2009 (UTC)

I agree that footnotes would be better. Graemp (talk) 07:50, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

Linking of Councillors and Aldermen
I have just made some changes; linking some and de-linking others. I have taken as my guide, a degree of notability conferred by an entry in who's who online, which i think is a good guide. If anyone wants to re-link any I have de-linked, then I don't have a problem with that. Graemp (talk) 11:23, 14 January 2017 (UTC)

Fitzroy Hemphill
I have changed his party label from Moderate to Progressive as this seemed to me to be an error. He was a Liberal parliamentary candidate in 1900 and 1910 and a Progressive LCC candidate in 1910. He also chaired LCC committees 1903-07 which suggests he was a Progressive. Graemp (talk) 11:23, 14 January 2017 (UTC)