Talk:List of metropolitan statistical areas/Archive 1

Major Updating - Sept 2009
Here's what I was told via my talk page:

"I built a population database to automatically update this and numerous other population tables, but other editors elected to manually modify these tables instead, so I finally gave up. --Buaidh (talk) 01:32, 19 July 2009 (UTC)"

Ok, so initially all of this data from the U.S Census Estimates were being pulled directly from a table that a user here was overseeing. This, as I have been told by the user who did this, is no longer the case. Therefore, most of the Metro Populations in this table are NOT reflecting the new 2008 estimates. Those estimates can be found here: http://www.census.gov/popest/metro/tables/2008/CBSA-EST2008-01.csv. I've also updated that reference in the article. Therefore, you'll need to manually change a city's numbers. Unless someone goes back to using the automatically updated table - but I dont know how that was being done. --UtahStizzle (talk) 04:36, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

San Juan Metro Area
It seams that the San Juan Metro Area is not in the list but is shown in the pictures used. Right now i dont have the exact numbers with me but acording to the wiki page it had 2,715,744 in 2007. It should be added. Also theres other metro areas in Puerto Rico that make the list aswell. Automotivado (talk) 05:10, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree. It should be added. It is officially part of the Census list. KevinCuddeback (talk) 13:40, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Pensacola metropolitan area
Need to add the Pensacola metropolitan area, which comprises Escambia and Santa Rosa counties, and has a population of 439,877. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pensacola,_Florida —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.133.173.64 (talk) 12:49, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Sorting Problem
When sorting by Population Increase/Decrease, Baton Rouge is listed out of order. I don't know how to fix this. TerrificBowler (talk) 16:24, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas
Please do not change population data in the Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Population data is downloaded directly from the United States Census Bureau. If you disagree with the estimates from the Census Bureau, please contact the Bureau. --Buaidh 23:51, 5 April 2007 (UTC)


 * How are they downloaded directly? The estimates for 2008 aren't correctly included in many of the MSAs and reflect 2007's estimates. --UtahStizzle (talk) 06:20, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

abc by Abbrev.?
When the chart is alphabetical by state, it uses abbreviations instead of spelling. For example, Alaska (AK), comes before Alabama (AL). Can this be changed? --RockRNC 22:25, 28 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, we can make the State column sort by state name rather than postal abbreviation, although I'm not sure how important this feature may be. --Buaidh 16:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

2007 figures
When will the estimates for 2007 become available? --merrick79 20:05, 26 August 2007
 * U.S. metropolitan population estimates for 2007-07-01, should be available around 2008-03-31. --Buaidh 21:08, 11 September 2007 (UTC)

I'd like to remind you all...
That the "San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont MSA" is only the north/central portion of the Bay Area. The Bay Area also covers Silicon Valley, and the so-called "Santa Rosa, Napa, and Fairfield-Vallejo MSAs". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.5.170.110 (talk) 03:53, 4 November 2007 (UTC)

The page for the San Francisco Bay MSA says that the population was over 6,000,000 at the 2000 census but this only says 4,000,00024.4.7.252 (talk) 06:25, 9 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually it was about 4,123,740, and still is relatively close to that - http://www.census.gov/popest/metro/tables/2008/CBSA-EST2008-01.csv --UtahStizzle (talk) 04:26, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Metropolitan Statistical Areas
California Problems

This article is supposed to be about United States Census Bureau Metropolitan Statistical Areas. Metropolitan nicknames are for subjective, and often ill defined, regions. I see little use for the metro nicknames in this article. --Buaidh (talk) 06:24, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

I completely agree. These nicknames seem to be completely arbitrary, and I doubt that many people outside a given area have heard of those nicknames.--209.183.34.44 (talk) 15:36, 4 March 2008 (UTC)

Furthermore, Greater Los Angeles Also includes as far south Costa Mesa, as Orange and even Ventura counties is unquestionably as much a part of Los Angeles County as New Jersey and Pennsylvania is to Greater New York.

Nicknames can be useful information when developing local marketing material. This may not be the best location for them but it is good information.Khawley (talk) 17:17, 11 August 2008 (UTC)

Milwaukee Data
Your information is way outdated. The 2008 estimates are out from the US Census Bureau and ought to be reflected. I think you probably have pre-2000 data for Milwaukee even, as its current estimated metro population is 1,773,519 (much higher than the 1.5 million you have listed here) Maximilian77 (talk) 20:33, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * The most recent U.S. Census Bureau estimates give the population of the Milwaukee-Waukesha-West Allis, WI MSA as 1,509,981 and the population of the Milwaukee-Racine-Waukesha, WI CSA as 1,706,077 as of 2006-07-01.


 * The U.S. Census Bureau generates population estimates retroactively for July 1 of each year. The estimates of federal and state population are released the last week of the following December.  The estimates of county population are released the last week of March of the following year, and the population estimates for metropolitan areas are released a few days later.  Finally, the estimates of municipal population are released the last week of June of the following year.  See the Census Bureau Estimates Release Schedule.  Thus the Census Bureau estimates of metropolitan population for 2007-07-01 should be released about 2008-03-31.


 * Most states, counties, and many cities prepare their own population estimates to aid and influence the Census Bureau. (With many federal grants based on population estimates, the population game has become a huge business.)  --Buaidh (talk) 21:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Yes, most states, counties, and cities will prepare their own population estimates because they receive funds from the federal government based on their population. The more people, the more funds received. It's always best to use the U.S. Census count (federal government) because they will have no motivation for upping or downplaying population loss for any city or metropolitan area. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.192.176.30 (talk) 23:38, 17 December 2008 (UTC)

Discrepancies
I wish to post a note that on the page "Raleigh, NC" it shows a number over 1,000,000 pop for the Raleigh-Cary-Durham metro area, whereas on this page it shows just under 1,000,000 pop. Plese look into this. 68.221.15.11 (talk) 16:40, 9 February 2008 (UTC)

2007 Numbers Are Here
http://www.census.gov/popest/counties/


 * I don't think they are quite yet, thats the estimated population of counties, sometime this week the estimated population of metropolitan and micropolitan areas should be released.-Grey Wanderer | Talk 19:33, 26 March 2008 (UTC)

I got through about 142 of them. Please check my work or complete the list if you have the time and don't have carpal-tunnel syndrome. Thanks. Ufwuct (talk) 20:47, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * The U.S. Census Bureau metropolitan estimates were released this morning. This table can be automatically updated as the comment indicates, but if you prefer to do it manually, be my guest.  --Buaidh (talk) 21:00, 27 March 2008 (UTC)


 * I went ahead and repopulated the U.S. table automatically. --Buaidh (talk) 22:08, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Chicago Metro?
I lived in Chicagoland for 30 years and never heard the term Chicago Metro ever used. Anybody hazard a guess where this comes from?

Davidyorke (talk) 09:48, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

Los Angeles
Southern California and SoCal should not be included as nicknames. These names are in reference to a larger area than the Los Angeles Metropolitan Statistical Area. The terms are used with the San Diego region as well as some desert communities in addition to LA. I'm taking them out...Kevintheomanharris (talk) 23:03, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

2008 Metro Numbers Now Available
Here they are if anyone is interested:

http://www.census.gov/popest/metro/metro.html

Thanks. --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:15, 22 March 2009 (UTC)

The article claims 2008 estimations are being used, but this is not the case for most I have examined. Most seem to be at 2007. Should we correct ones we'd like to? It was mentioned earlier on this page that the numbers are downloaded from the Census site. --UtahStizzle (talk) 05:49, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

Indio, Palm Springs
it seems a few large areas have been neglected. Indio/Palm Springs for example is not on the list? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.175.189.140 (talk) 18:37, 19 April 2009 (UTC)


 * You may want to do a little research on large areas you may think were neglected. Palm Springs and area are listed as part of the Inland Empire MSA. --UtahStizzle (talk) 06:30, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

There is no listing of "Inland Empire", you may want to to some research before posting an area you thought was on the article page. Which raises a good question, where is the Palm Springs/Indio metro? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Postiewithmostie (talk • contribs) 22:58, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

Rank oddities
Maybe there is some kind of method I don't know about, but the rank numbers seem to be very odd. They skip number regularly and such. Also, the Decatur, AL metro's population is listed as 150,125 per the census. I attempted to fix this, but I decided to leave it alone since the rankings were so weird. Please, someone tell me I'm not the only one that is noticing these problems. AlaGuy (talk) 05:27, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * BTW, if someone can verify that I'm not crazy, I'd be happy to go through and fix the rankings myself.AlaGuy (talk) 05:28, 1 June 2009 (UTC)


 * You're right, numbers aren't all in order and are being skipped at places. Part of this is because some have updated estimates (2008) and some are using the older (2007). I think some are just editing errors. You can go in and make the numbers sequential again if you'd like :) Though it won't necessarily mean they're in the right order (you can look at the U.S Estimates for 2008 in the reference list). --UtahStizzle (talk) 17:23, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Look at Table of United States Micropolitan Statistical Areas to find the missing numbers in the rankings. The column for rank apparently takes into account both of these tables.  Someone should clarify on both pages what the column 'Rank' actually means. Dafoeberezin3494 (talk) 21:51, 24 July 2009 (UTC)


 * Actually, that table is using old data (2007) and I don't believe accurate anymore. I'm pretty sure the rank is just what it says: The rank. They should just be in numerical order from greatest population to smallest. The tables are no longer being used to automatically populate this data. It has to be done manually (by users) --UtahStizzle (talk) 04:22, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Please read the explanation of rank. Rank is among all Core Based Statistical Areas. Buaidh (talk) 13:24, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Nicksnames
While nicknames are of necessity unofficial, how correct are some of these? For example, Nashville-Davidson County, Tennessee often refers to itself semi-officially as "Metro" (i.e., "Metro Police Department"), but this nickname is not an appropriate designation for the entire MSA as it means just Davidson County. However, "The Midstate" is more likely to refer to all of Middle Tennessee than it is just the Nashville MSA.

4.152.165.57 (talk) 21:13, 4 August 2009 (UTC)

Tri-State Area
Isn't the NY tri state area NJ, NY and CT? When did PA become the third state after NJ? GG The Fly (talk) 03:44, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

2008 population estimates
I updated the table with United States Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2008. Please do not alter the table. I reduced the length of this article to 65 KiB. I will update the table with the Census Bureau estimates for July 1, 2009, about March 31, 2010. Yours aye, Buaidh (talk) 16:35, 25 September 2009 (UTC)

Are the same area definitions used in 2000 and 2008?
I'm unclear; did some MSAs get geographically enlarged between 2000 and 2008? Abductive (reasoning) 04:18, 12 October 2009 (UTC)

Redirect from "List of United States Metropolitan Areas"
Should "List of United States Metropolitan Areas" redirect somewhere other than this table (or have a separate page)? The US census defines "metropolitan area" and "metropolitan statistical area" differently: some MAs are designated as CMSAs rather than MSAs, and then are divided into multiple "primary metropolitan statistical areas." A table of MSAs will list the separate subentities rather than the entire census-designated metropolitan area. That means that if someone's looking up a list of "metropolitan areas" and gets this page, the list they'll get is not accurate. A list of metropolitan areas (using census definitions) would not have separate listings for Washington DC and Baltimore; for San Francisco and San Jose; or for Los Angeles and Riverside/San Bernardino.

See census definitions at: http://www.census.gov/prod/cen2000/doc/pl94-171.pdf

The information on which separate MSAs are not actually separate MAs could just be added to this page, but while that's important information for someone wanting a list of MAs, it's not particularly relevant to this page's primary designation (table of MSAs). So, it might make more sense just to remove the redirect and put up something different for "list of US metropolitan areas."

68.122.43.45 (talk) 22:20, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * MSAs are the current nationally-defined definition used for tabulating economic and demographic data of single-core metropolitan areas. CMSAs are obsolete (new conceptual definitions were implemented in 2003) so you may be talking about Combined statistical areas. These, however, are by defiition composed of one or more metro/micropolitan areas and are not comparable to other definitions of metropolitan areas used outside the US. Because the U.S. Census Bureau treats Washington urban area from the Baltimore urban area, for example, this results in two separate metropolitan areas. --Polaron | Talk 23:54, 26 October 2009 (UTC)
 * My understanding was that the 2003 concepts had not yet been put into practice -- i.e., that all currently available statistics were based on 2000 conceptual definitions. Is that inaccurate?  At that time, "metropolitan areas" (based on degrees of economic and social integration throughout an area) included CMSAs, not individual PMSAs (which were limited to a single population nucleus, regardless of economic and social integration with other areas).  CMSAs were single, not multiple, metropolitan areas.  DC/Baltimore were then defined as a single CMSA, hence, single metropolitan area; they were treated separately only for purposes of zeroing in on individual population nuclei within a metropolitan area.  No idea how that relates to international definitions (local definitions seem more relevant here to me anyway, since it's a specifically local compilation), but Wikipedia's "metropolitan area" page doesn't indicate any standard definition that requires restriction to a single nucleus -- it uses the language "hub or hubs." 69.91.142.151 (talk) 01:18, 29 October 2009 (UTC)

Standardising MSA pages
I'm unclear if this is the best place to post this, but: There's a wide variety of quality and coverage of information in the MSA pages linked from this page. Should a template be created for MSA pages, including, for example: Demographic info, territorial coverage, culture and education, commerce, climate, media coverage, sports and famous residents? —Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamGoodfellow (talk • contribs) 06:54, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
 * While MSA articles should be strictly about the statistical characteristics of the MSA, they instead tend to be promotional pieces about everyone's hometown. It would be nice if we could separate the strictly MSA articles from the much more general regional interest articles, e.g., a Chicago-Joliet-Naperville, IL-IN-WI MSA article and a Chicago-Naperville-Michigan City, IL-IN-WI CSA article separate from a Chicagoland article.  I would make the μSA, MSA, and CSA articles strictly about demographics and statistics, and dump everything else into a general metropolitan region article.


 * The United States Office of Management and Budget (OMB) defines each μSA, MSA, and CSA; most recently in OMB 10-02. Invariable, most residents disagree with the definition provided by the OMB, so each editor creates his own definition of the metropolitan area for the article.  Yours aye, Buaidh (talk) 21:21, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

why isn't the area covered (geography) listed ?
this data is considered metro population by many articles that link there. but most of the cities cover areas 5-10 larger than other world metro areas (metro Toronto covers about 4 times less area than Denver or Houston even though it would have much more people if it was allowed the same statistical area).Grmike (talk) 17:53, 16 July 2010 (UTC)grmike

Artificial Separtion of LA/Long Beach from Riverside/San Bernardino
Does anyone else find it bizarre that LA-Long Beach and Riverside-San Bernardino are not combined? I suppose the definition as two separate metropolitan areas is not our choice, but shouldn't there be some note to the effect that there IS NO SEPARATION between the two? Even Simi Valley, Thousand Oaks, Camarillo-Ventura-Oxnard are barely separated by a mile or so of uninhabited hills from Los Angeles. When you hit the outskirts of Ventura coming from Santa Barbara, you can literally drive to Santa Clarita (northeast), or to Redlands/Yucaipa (east) or to Corona (southeast) or to San Clemente (southeast) and not run out of urban area. The combined LA/LB Riverside/San Berdo areas alone come to 17,017,910. Adding the Oxnard-Ventura-Thousand Oaks metropolitan area brings the real total to 17,820,893. Of course, the San Diego metropolitan area is separated from the aforementioned areas by only 18 miles of Camp Pendleton. InFairness (talk) 03:47, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * There is always a bit of controversy with how the government divides metropolitan areas, but no, I don't think there is any need for a note. The splitting of San Francisco's area from San Jose's is an even more blatant example of this, but there is no need of a note for this. --Criticalthinker (talk) 04:06, 7 March 2011 (UTC)
 * All of the a fore mentioned metropolitan areas with the exception of San Diego are part of a combined statistical area, in a sense a kind of metro area. The only reason San Diego is exempt is because not enough people commute to and from the county for work. However San Diego Metro is likely to be included by 2020 if commuting patterns between Riverside and North County hold up, forming a likely "Los Angeles-San Diego-Long Beach", the name of the third city is widely open to debate between Riverside or Long Beach. 08OceanBeach SD (talk) 04:09, 7 March 2011 (UTC)

But it's funny the original poster mentioned Ventura. I note that Santa Barbara, CA is grouped with Santa Maria, CA. Santa Barbara is a good 70 miles by road from Santa Maria. The two cities are separated by miles of rugged, completely undeveloped country, a gigantic cultural divide, and a major geographic boundary (Pt Conception) that separates the west-facing coast of central California from the south-facing coast of southern California. On the other hand, Santa Barbara is only 30 miles from Ventura to the south - although these two cities no more form a "metropolitan region" than Santa Barbara and Santa Maria do. These "metropolitan regions" clearly exist for no reason other than the convenience of Census Bureau's computer programmers. Wikipedia shouldn't buy into their convenient but entirely bogus view of the world. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.87.67.137 (talk) 02:13, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

This article needs to be updated
The 2010 census has been fully released for a few days now, please keep Wikipedia reliable and update this article. I would be happy to help but I don't have the time to do it all myself at this time.  Sub!  22:05, 26 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I think we should split it up into sections to lessen the load of one person doing it all. 08OceanBeach SD (talk) 23:09, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
 * It is easiest to download the entire table from the United States Census Bureau. Piecemeal updates introduce errors.  Yours aye,  Buaidh  14:00, 13 March 2012 (UTC)

Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC MSA
The Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, SC MSA is omitted in this article and has been replaced by the Greenville-Mauldin-Easley MSA. Here is one source for this information: http://www.fairus.org/site/PageNavigator/facts/local_data_sc_greenville

Metro Area Factsheet: Greenville-Spartanburg-Anderson, South Carolina MSA Summary Metro Area Data (and Source) Population (2008 CB est.):	1,072,991 Population (2000 Census):	962,448 Foreign-born Population (2008 FAIR est.):	62,920 Foreign-born Population (2000 Census):	34,207 Share Foreign-Born (2008):	5.9% Share Foreign-Born (2000):	3.6% Population Projection 2025 (FAIR):	1,172,100 — Preceding unsigned comment added by ChasYoshi (talk • contribs) 04:41, 30 August 2011 (UTC)

Physical Growth of MSA
Is it possible that we could indicate in some way metropolitan areas that added counties over the time period given? I'd guess most MSAs stayed the same size, but I'd also bet that there are enough that added counties pulling in commuters from even further away for this to be worth noting. There are probably even a few that lost a county or two. Anyone want to look this up? Maybe, start doing the ones over 1 million? I'd suggest maybe just sticking an astericks somewhere in the chart. --Criticalthinker (talk) 08:50, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * A note can be added for redefined MSAs. Yours aye,  Buaidh  13:58, 13 March 2012 (UTC)
 * Umm, thanks? So, anyone going to actually do this? --Criticalthinker (talk) 04:50, 14 March 2012 (UTC)
 * When an MSA is redefined, the previous census tally and population estimates are adjusted to reflect the new area definition. This means we are comparing apples to apples.  See OMB Bulletin No. 10-02: Update of Statistical Area Definitions and Guidance on Their Uses  Yours aye,  Buaidh  14:32, 14 March 2012 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Statistical area which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 02:55, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

FYI: CFD discussion of category names for metro areas
FYI: There is an ongoing discussion at WP:CFD regarding the names of categories for certain US metropolitan areas. See Categories_for_discussion/Log/2013 March 4. --Orlady (talk) 17:04, 4 March 2013 (UTC)

Please help relink
On February 28, 2013, the United States Office of Management and Budget defined, renamed, and redefined a large number of United States Statistical Areaa. Please help relink the Statistical Areas to the appropriate metropolitan area article. If the Statistical Area comprises only one county, please link to that county. Thank you, Buaidh  14:17, 18 March 2013 (UTC)

Bloomington-Pontiac?
As a long-time resident of Bloomington-Normal, Illinois, I am beyond confused both as to how the claimed population of the Bloomington metropolitan area is higher than the entire population of the county in which it sits (188,000 claimed versus ~170,000 per official statistics), and as to why Bloomington has been paired with Pontiac, a city in a neighboring county, rather than with Normal, its twin city. In fact, I am going to change it, but I am sure someone else can change it more appropriately. 63.226.212.83 (talk) 22:13, 14 April 2013 (UTC)
 * My ONLY guess is that someone got it mixed up with Warren-Farmington Hills-Troy, Mich. Metropolitan Division of the Detroit MSA in which Pontiac and West BloomFIELD are major cities, even thought they are not the largest municipalities. Otherwise, yeah, it makes absolutely no sense. --Criticalthinker (talk) 03:44, 15 April 2013 (UTC)
 * Actually, if you check the source (http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/bulletins/2013/b13-01.pdf), it does list the combined statistical area as Bloomington-Pontiac. As discussed above, the official definitions of statistical areas don't always match people's perceptions. 2001:558:6007:5D:D050:3D21:D98D:CF2A (talk) 04:06, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Should MSA GDP be added to the table?
What are the thoughts on GDP being added to the table? http://www.bea.gov/newsreleases/regional/gdp_metro/2013/pdf/gdp_metro0213.pdf — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crew88 (talk • contribs) 15:57, 18 June 2013 (UTC)
 * My thought is "no". This table is enough of a challenge to maintain without adding economic data to it. A particular concern is discrepancies between the data series. For example, the BEA data series you found (published February 22, 2013) is based on different definitions of MSAs than this table, which uses new definitions published on February 28, 2013.
 * It's a good resource, though. Consider creating a separate list. Also, I'd love to see this economic information added to articles about the individual metro areas. --Orlady (talk) 17:09, 18 June 2013 (UTC)

Kokomo, Indiana
The Kokomo Indiana metropolitan area has nearly 100,000 people in it, not 82,000! 82,000 is just Howard County, which is just one county in the area! Kokomo's metropolitan area is made up of Howard County, and Tipton County in Indiana. Howard County had 82,752 in 2010, and 82,849 in 2012. (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/18/18067.html) Tipton County had 15,936 in 2010, and 15,695 in 2012. (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/18/18159.html) Meaning the metro area had 98,688 in 2010, and 98,544 (the loss would be due to Tipton County.) 2601:D:A180:2DB:C476:9AE1:FF97:1138 (talk) 15:03, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * The source used for the table is http://www.census.gov/popest/data/metro/totals/2012/tables/CBSA-EST2012-01.csv TEDickey (talk) 15:54, 1 December 2013 (UTC)


 * Well this source says differently: http://www.census.gov/popest/data/metro/totals/2006/tables/CBSA-EST2006-01.csv Howard County or Tipton County neither one dropped that much in those years, and as can see on the Kokomo Metro area page it consists of Howard County & Tipton County, basic math would show that the number shown on that table and even that website is wrong. The one from 2011 disagrees with the 2012 one as well. http://www.census.gov/popest/data/metro/totals/2011/tables/CBSA-EST2011-01.csv Jacobjimmy2000 (talk) 09:47, 23 February 2014 (UTC)


 * The Office of Management & Budget defines metropolitan areas every year. According to the February 2013 definition:


 * http://www.whitehouse.gov/sites/default/files/omb/bulletins/2013/b-13-01.pdf


 * And a the February 2013 map:


 * http://www.census.gov/population/metro/files/metro_micro_Feb2013.pdf


 * It appears that the Tipton was dropped. Tipton is also not even in any metropolitan areas CSA, either, as it doesn't have an urban cluster of 10,000 or more which would qualify it as a micropolitan statistical area.  In short, it's not even a micropolitan area, so it can't be in neither and MSA nor a CSA.  However, Miami County appears to have remained as a part of Kokomo's CSA (Kokomo–Peru CSA)--Criticalthinker (talk) 10:25, 23 February 2014 (UTC)

Gulfport-Biloxi-Pascagoula
Something's wrong with those. I don't know where to find the census data, or I would fix it. I believe there should be two separate MSAs listed, one for Gulfport-Biloxi, and one for Pascagoula. There should also be a CSA listed for the whole area on the CSA list, but I didn't see one there.


 * The source given is stale, but following the links leads to a page listing the combined names as shown here.  (|this link might be suitable for a replacement). TEDickey (talk) 23:24, 27 June 2014 (UTC)


 * Unfortunately I can't understand the data in your link. I'm going to guess that the listing on this page is correct, and the whole Mississippi Gulf Coast is now one MSA.  It appears in the past that it was one CSA composed of two separate MSAs (Gulfport-Biloxi and Pascagoula).  Those separate MSAs and the CSA each still have their own Wikipedia pages, but cite 2000 census data instead of 2010.  Again, I could fix this, but I don't know the best source and I don't want to mess anything up.  The way it stands today, there are inconsistencies in the various Wikipedia articles. Dunncon13 (talk) 21:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)


 * It's ugly because it's not in columns. Forcing the line-wrap off may help:

CBSA,MDIV,STCOU,NAME,LSAD,CENSUS2010POP,ESTIMATESBASE2010,POPESTIMATE2010,POPESTIMATE2011,POPESTIMATE2012,POPESTIMATE2013,NPOPCHG2010,NPOPCHG2011,NPOPCHG2012,NPOPCHG2013,NATURALINC2010,NATURALINC2011,NATURALINC2012,NATURALINC2013,BIRTHS2010,BIRTHS2011,BIRTHS2012,BIRTHS2013,DEATHS2010,DEATHS2011,DEATHS2012,DEATHS2013,NETMIG2010,NETMIG2011,NETMIG2012,NETMIG2013,INTERNATIONALMIG2010,INTERNATIONALMIG2011,INTERNATIONALMIG2012,INTERNATIONALMIG2013,DOMESTICMIG2010,DOMESTICMIG2011,DOMESTICMIG2012,DOMESTICMIG2013,RESIDUAL2010,RESIDUAL2011,RESIDUAL2012,RESIDUAL2013 25060,,,"Gulfport-Biloxi-Pascagoula, MS",Metropolitan Statistical Area,370702,370702,371475,375719,379007,382516,773,4244,3288,3509,340,1531,1496,1585,1264,4873,4933,4931,924,3342,3437,3346,434,2559,1803,1874,228,508,1209,805,206,2051,594,1069,-1,154,-11,50 My point was to show the usage of the name (getting 2013-figures is awkward on this page) TEDickey (talk) 23:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Reference #2 is now a dead link
The reference that gave us a clean list of metro populations and their rankings is gone. I found another one we could use here, but it's a flat csv file -- rankings would have to be determined by loading into a spreadsheet and sorting. Can anyone find a better reference? I don't want to change this one too quickly. Stevie is the man! Talk • Work 14:27, 6 July 2014 (UTC)

MSA Name Changes
I have updated the names used in the table to reflect changes made by the Office of Management and Budget on November 20, 2007. The former names were used in the latest Census Bureau population estimates (as of July 1, 2007) and will change to the present names at the next update. --Acntx (talk) 22:41, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Metropolitan Statistical Area (MSA) Changes
 * Atlantic City, NJ MSA => Atlantic City-Hammonton, NJ MSA
 * Lakeland, FL MSA => Lakeland-Winter Haven, FL MSA
 * Charleston-North Charleston, SC MSA => Charleston-North Charleston-Summerville, SC MSA
 * Sarasota-Bradenton-Venice, FL MSA => Bradenton-Sarasota-Venice, FL MSA
 * Myrtle Beach-Conway-North Myrtle Beach => Myrtle Beach-North Myrtle Beach-Conway, SC MSA
 * Kennewick-Richland-Pasco, WA MSA => Kennewick-Pasco-Richland, WA MSA

Metropolitan Division (MD) Changes
 * Bethesda-Gaithersburg-Frederick, MD MD => Bethesda-Frederick-Gaithersburg, MD MD
 * Edison, NJ MD => Edison-New Brunswick, NJ MD

Assessment comment
Substituted at 06:04, 24 July 2016 (UTC)

Dayton, Ohio MSA
Could the Dayton, Ohio MSA population be changed to reflect official Census Bureau information for 2010 as referenced here: Thank you in advance to anyone who can help! Texas141 (talk) 18:17, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Needs to be updated for 2014 numbers
The US Census Bureau has [http://www.census.gov/popest/data/metro/totals/2014/ updated the numbers for 2014 for all metro areas. (link)] Table needs to be updated. 24.248.216.135 (talk) 17:35, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Feel free to start updating. --Comayagua99 (talk) 21:18, 27 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Who is messing with the 2014 numbers? Someone needs to reset this to before whoever messed the list up. --Criticalthinker (talk) 06:35, 11 April 2015 (UTC)
 * Come on, who originally added the 2014 numbers, so we can revert back to that iteration of the page? I can't believe no one has noticed the vandalism. --Criticalthinker (talk) 11:30, 14 April 2015 (UTC)

Add Total Row?
Can a Total row be added for the population columns? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.69.226.87 (talk) 03:05, 27 November 2015 (UTC)

Number 51 Albany-Schnectady-Troy should be 61 not 51 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.18.76.145 (talk) 20:04, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

2015 Estimates Available
They can be found here - http://www.census.gov/popest/data/metro/totals/2015/index.html - Not sure how we automatically / batch update this table, but would love to know how. UtahStizzle (talk) 16:26, 25 March 2016 (UTC)

Total Area of Metro in Sq Miles
I'm not too great with adding in sections of tables, but it would be really helpful I think if after population change and before CSA Columns someone added the size of the metro area in square miles and then the density next to it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Cobylefko (talk • contribs) 13:21, 18 July 2016 (UTC)

San Diego
Why isn't San Diego on the list? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.45.240.17 (talk) 16:27, 9 February 2017 (UTC)
 * San Diego-Carlsbad, CA Metropolitan Statistical Area is listed as #17. kennethaw88 • talk 01:49, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

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LA listed twice, once with Ontario, Canada! Jeez
Check it out:

13: Riverside-Sanbernadino-Ontario, CA — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CC4B:22E0:E050:E7A1:33A2:65D9 (talk) 15:20, 27 August 2017 (UTC)
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OMB updates MSA, mSA, CSA lists
On 15 August 2017, the Office of Management and Budget released a new list of metropolitan statistical areas, micropolitan statistical areas and combined statistical areas: OMB Bulletin 17-01. There are now 390 MSAs (383 in the US, 7 in Puerto Rico). Many things need to be changed by whoever does that. 209.179.74.58 (talk) 02:19, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * It appears that 2013 map featured on the page speaks of 389, so it appears only one MSA has been added. As to changes to the existing ones, I picked out a few I thought would have changed by now (Dallas, Houston, Grand Rapids, Detroit, etc.) I found absolutely no changes.  So, when you speak to "many things need to be changed." do you have any prominent examples? --Criticalthinker (talk) 05:28, 4 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Looks like the only change was the addition of a metro for Twin Falls, Idaho. 69.58.248.1 (talk) 20:20, 29 September 2017 (UTC)
 * Exactly. These won't undergo a significant redefinition until next year, when I believe they will tweak some of the commuter thresholds and such, which may lead to significant redefinitions of some major metros. --Criticalthinker (talk) 09:37, 30 September 2017 (UTC)

"(6 missing from this list)"
Seeing as how there's no evidence for this claim except one person claiming it's wrong in the edit history, and seeing as how the only Google result that supports this is this article, and seeing as how the table that's here is a perfect match for the Census Bureau's table on their site, I think we can go ahead and remove this. V35322 (talk) 09:38, 21 December 2017 (UTC)

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List of Metropolitan Statistical Areas → List of metropolitan statistical areas – Metropolitan statistical area is not capitalized. feminist (talk) 02:53, 8 January 2018 (UTC) --Relisting.  samee  talk 13:02, 15 January 2018 (UTC)
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Necessary updates
1. There is one MSA missing from this list, namely the Twin Falls, ID MSA. It was added in the OMB Bulletin 17-01, which supersedes previous bulletins. 2. There is no such thing as Danbury, CT MSA (it's a NECTA, not an MSA), so it should be deleted from this list. Danbury, CT is a principal city in the Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk, CT MSA. 3. The Raleigh-Cary, NC MSA is now called Raleigh, NC MSA. Cary hasn't been a principal city in the MSA since the updates made after Census 2010. JPDL (talk) 13:17, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

2018 delineations
Apparently, the Census Bureau must have completed compiling their 2012-2016 data, because the executive Office of Management and Budget released new delineations on September 14, 2018:

https://www.whitehouse.gov/wp-content/uploads/2018/09/Bulletin-18-04.pdf

Updates are annual, but only twice a decade do we get major delineations since the major ones use a 5-year average of the American Community Survey data for commuting. Up until this year they were using 2009-2013 data. Anyway, for those involved in updates to the chart, that's the new delineations. Some major changes, some not changed at all. --Criticalthinker (talk) 07:03, 7 October 2018 (UTC)

This article is fucked up
Puerto Rico is in the United States. There’s no good reason to give it its own section but not separate sections for other cities or states. --63.243.196.34 (talk) 06:04, 17 March 2019 (UTC)
 * The reason Puerto Rico has it's own table is because OMB defines PR's metro areas using Municipios, not counties. A similar comparison to this would be the NECTA regions in New England.  However, the difference is that in New England, there are county equivalents that are geographically equal to counties, parrishes, boroughs, and independent cities in other states.  Puerto Rico does not have geographies that could be considered county equivalents.  IMO, I think it would be a good idea for OMB to find some way to combine Municipios into geographies that could be considered county equivalents, for statistical purposes only; that way, Puerto Rican metros could be included in the typical metro list in this article.  But, that's just my opinion. Sedriskell (talk) 22:03, 31 March 2020 (UTC)