Talk:List of military science fiction works and authors

List of military science fiction authors
Ok, to make this easier, I just sanitized my wiki code (removed the commentary and the amazon links) and posted it as version 1.0 of the list - this allows you to edit it under the GFDL and with the copyright notice, noone will accuse me of stealing wikipedia'S articles... I will help, when I have time. Have fun and edit away - cheers, --Gego (talk) 12:27, 22 January 2009 (UTC)


 * See also discussion at: Talk:Military_science_fiction —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gego (talk • contribs) 12:29, 22 January 2009 (UTC)

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Author list or author and works
Is there any opposition to retitling the list of mil SF authors to List of military science fiction works? that would match other genre lists better, and more importantly would allow inclusion of other media (TV, films, games). Then the list here can be transferred wholesale to the new page (which looks great by the way, excellent job!)Yobmod (talk) 19:11, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * I would agree with Yobmod that this list is more a list of MSF works than of MSF authors.


 * See for example List of science fiction authors, that a list of authors should NOT include works.


 * So if his proposal is to rename this list to "List of works" and make a new page called "List of authors", that would be fine with me. Debresser (talk) 20:48, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * And yes, that would have the additional benefit of allowing for MSF works in other media too.


 * But it would raise the question, which authors to include, because - as Yobmod mentioned correctly - not every author who once wrote a MSF novel is a MSF author. Debresser (talk) 20:54, 31 January 2009 (UTC)


 * About my reason for adding works to the list... I added the works because if I would not have done so, the list would have to include authors writing mainly MSF, not authors who also wrote a MSF book, in my opinion. That would greatly reduce the usefulness of the list as half the authors would have to be deleted as it is hard to find references for a MSF author, not a MSF work (eg for authors which write fantasy and sf it is nearly impossible).... cheers, --Gego (talk) 13:10, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * About other media types - they also have authors, do they not? Comics, Films etc... you could put a notice out front or rename the list authors and producers... --Gego (talk) 13:16, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * The problem is with long running TV series, that may have hundreds of writers. Similarly with games and comics. Then we would have to add multiple names for each work, and many are not authors (cf, comic book artists). Keeping them separate makes this much easier.


 * I think the works are a good addition, and seeing that (for example) H G Wells wrote one MSF is interesting. That's why a list of works is useful. But renaming the page would not preclude it still acting as a list of authors. Naming any work requires we say who wrote it, so it would be both a list of MSF works and Authors. Also, making it a sortable list would mean that in the future it would act as both, and readers can chose if they want the info in author order or work title order, or even year order (see List of steampunk works). I think List of MSF works is the more inclusive title, but would also be fine with "List of MSF works and authors" or somesuch.
 * The inital reason i suggested it are that:
 * 1) Military SF authors can (and is) covered by the new category, so a list of only authors is redundant. Including works gives added value, and makes the list better than the category, and the name should reflect that.
 * 2) Once all the book examples are moved from the main page we are left with just the 2 TV series there alone. To me this looks like undue weight (making the TV series seem more important), as we would have one link pointing here for the books, but 2 links for the specific TV series.


 * I'm going to be bold and make the change to a comprimise "works and authors" page. The god thing about page moving is that redirect are made automatically, so no links need to be changed and searchers will still find this. But feel free to revert if more discusion is needed. Or to move again, not sure if authors is better as "creators" or is needed at all.Yobmod (talk) 13:33, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Great idea. And with the "List of ... authors" redirecting here all is working out very fine. Debresser (talk) 15:11, 2 February 2009 (UTC)


 * Fine with me - this was a good move in my opinion - and text has to evolve... until we have the interactive list, I added navigation links to literature and tv AND aded the series in the A-Z list, as they would otherwise nt be found. --Gego (talk) 22:57, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

I really think they should be removed from the A-Z list. Debresser (talk) 23:58, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
 * 1) Why have them twice?
 * 2) Why have them in the list of Literature?

User:Yobmod just did that. Debresser (talk) 19:00, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

OK, now I'm confused. a) would having a citation that a work is a military SF work be sufficent, in which case would a cover blurb be sufficient? or b) are you going to go with just having the authors? Reynardo (talk) 03:13, 3 August 2009 (UTC)

Works to integrate
Books


 * Armor (1984) by John Steakley,
 * Dorsai! (The Genetic General 1960; exp vt Dorsai! 1976) by Gordon R. Dickson
 * Ender's Game by Orson Scott Card
 * The Forever War (1975) by Joe Haldeman
 * Gaunt's Ghosts series by Dan Abnett
 * Hammer's Slammers series by David Drake
 * Honor Harrington series by David Weber
 * Legacy of the Aldenata series by John Ringo
 * The Lost Fleet series by Jack Campbell
 * The Jason Wander series by Robert Buettner.


 * Old Man's War (2005) by John Scalzi
 * The Outback Stars by Sandra McDonald
 * Vatta's War series by Elizabeth Moon
 *  The RCN Series by David Drake
 * Semper Mars by Ian Douglas
 * StarFist series by David Sherman and Dan Cragg
 * Starship Troopers (1958) by Robert A. Heinlein
 * Takeshi Kovacs series by Richard K. Morgan

Television


 * Stargate SG-1 - American-Canadian TV series
 * Battlestar Galactica

Well, somebody obviously already did that. I just added the internal links, and that last one that he forgot. Did some work on the references too. Debresser (talk) 16:43, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Please notice how I joined the references to one of the sources. I quote from the Template:Rp page "This template ... is presently the only solution for the problem of an article with a source that must be cited many, many times, at numerous different pages". Debresser (talk) 20:20, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

--- Added Star Trek: DS9 to the list of TV and Film. While the series started out in the typical Star Trek vein of exploration and interspecies interactions, by mid-series the focus was very much on war and its effects on the characters. Can an argument be made for any of the other Star Trek series and/or movies? What about Star Wars? Where is the line between SciFi with military themes and Military SciFi? 140.172.10.70 (talk) 23:26, 17 August 2009 (UTC)

The Helfort's War series by Graham Sharp Paul could probably be added, though both the author and series lack their own wiki article at this time. The third book in the series is due out in November. Jonathon A H (talk) 06:41, 27 October 2009 (UTC)

--- What are the rules regarding what authors and works can/should be added beyond that their works must qualify as Military Science Fiction? Just thinking of adding some newer works and want to be sure that they qualify for entrance to this article User: anon — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.20.15.55 (talk) 04:04, 7 February 2013 (UTC)

Art
Does this list include art or artists ? If not, then it should not be categorized under artists. 76.66.196.229 (talk) 14:03, 3 February 2009 (UTC)

Need citing

 * The Legacy Trilogy
 * Inheritance Trilogy

disclaimer
I is not appropriate to have claims of copyright on a wikipedia page, per No disclaimers in articles. The origins of the list are immaterial to its current status as GDFL licenced. we cannot have editors writing articles for other projects, then insisting that project is credited. Yob  Mod  16:35, 28 July 2009 (UTC)


 * It is necessary to prove that the article was first put up on another page as otherwise - and believe me, I speak of close encounters with this kind of wikipedian - they come and blacklist you for not crediting wikipedia, although you definitely use one of "their" (yes, I got a message like that) wikipedia-articles... with this notice somewhere - even in the history or the discussion list - I can concentrate on writing instead of discussing... a second reason - the elib licence is less open than that of wikipedia, if I do not mark the article as co-published unter GDFL, it might be deleted by some of our people as violating elib-copyright. There fore the No disclaimers in articles does not apply, as proper copyright notices are important to keep wikipedia articles free and not a matter of style, policy or choice. - cheers, --Gego (talk) 17:08, 13 May 2010 (UTC)

Form
A table would be much more useful, sort by:
 * author
 * year
 * title
 * movie title —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.100.107.209 (talk) 00:33, 24 November 2009 (UTC)

Wrong Link/Missing Author
Hi, I've no experience how to write anything for wikipedia, but I noticed that the Author "Mike Shepherd" has a wrong link - to some music producer...

I have no idea how to change links or create a new wikipedia entry on Mike Moscoe/Mike Shepherd ( he changed his name -> see his homepage: http://www.maryfreemanrosenblum.com/moscoe/mikeshepherd/index.html ), so I just wanted to let you know about it and hope someone will at least change the link to an empty page and not that other Mike Shepherd.

Lantander (talk) 01:13, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Animated series
I think it would be nice to classify the "Television and film" section in subsections "animated" and not animated.--Marceloml (talk) 02:06, 4 May 2011 (UTC)