Talk:List of minor Naruto characters/Archive 2

Reduction of Naruto articles
While I can understand them removing the huge alphabetical lists of ninjutsu, why are they removing character articles such as Itachi Uchiha's and instead putting them in lists with much less detail? Also, why have they taken out loads of the pictures? there should a picture for most of the characters, even the ones in the lists. There aren't any pictures for characters in the Akatsuki section OR this section. I just put one up for Madara Uchiha along with a fair use rationale, etc. they better not remove/delete it. --Arsenal666 18:52, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

See further down here. I don't wholly agree with this, but unless stated otherwise, we are complying with this by excluding images in the "list of" type articles. Broken Sphere Msg me 20:20, 18 September 2007 (UTC)

Asuma's blades
Might knife duster (a form of brass knuckle with a blade but not necessarily a trench knife, which need not have the brass knuckle component as per that article) be a more appropriate description? -- Broken Sphere 01:47, 3 August 2007 (UTC)

Grammer
I noticed that this page has some past/present tense grammer problems. I was wondering if it would be appropriate to fix these? Look at the section on Asuma Sarutobi for a specific on what i'm talking about. Ageofe 23:49, 6 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Oh, the irony... grammer? Grammar. Dagron12345 00:26, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

Flying Thunder God Technique
Why is it that the Flying Thunder God Technique redirects here when the jutsu is listed under the article "List of Jutsu in Naruto (A-G)"? That doesn't make sense to me.... --71.75.188.94 17:24, 8 August 2007 (UTC)
 * The Ninjutsu articles are being reduced, so any technique that is unique to or signature to a specific ninja (such as Flying Thunder God to the Fourth), it is mentioned there.  You Can '  t See Me!  05:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

incomplete
the sanin, people from other villages, itachi and other outcasts, and finally anbu are jonin.(shadowsok@aol.com)


 * To address your points in order:
 * "Sannin" is not a rank. This is a list of ninja with ranks.
 * People from other villages aren't from Konoha.
 * Itachi and other outcasts are no longer associated with Konoha.
 * ANBU are better known as ANBU, regardless of whatever other rank they may have.
 * ~SnapperTo 04:08, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * sannin is a rank check the official card game if you dont believe me,as far as outcasts go it dosent matter if there associated or not that rank was still imbud to them by that village and it is still there village of origin, anbu regardless of how well known the title is it is not a rank so it should at most be a side note,and Tokubetsu Jonin should be referred to as special jonin (fallowed by a brief discription of what it is).
 * p.s. your 1st point conflicted with your 4th, I do how ever agree with your 2ed if we are going to make it strictly konoha.(shadowsok@aol.com)


 * According to the official databooks, Sannin is not a rank while ANBU (an other rank) is. Databooks take precedent over card games. As for outcasts, they are no longer affiliated with Konoha, and as such they should not be mixed with those who are. At best a side note that they were once ninja of Konoha should be given in their entries, wherever that may be. ~SnapperTo 04:30, 14 August 2007 (UTC)


 * sannin is s-rank and is also under other rank, I still agree with my earlier statements on outcasts and say you cant chose who you are associated with, and Tokubetsu Jonin should be referred to as special jonin.
 * p.s. what about Jiraiya.(shadow)


 * Sannin is a title, a title that only three ninja have been given. S-class, the broader title Sannin falls under, merely indicates that a ninja is particularity skilled, and so it too is not a rank. Jiraiya is not given a rank in the databooks, and, since this is an article for ninja with ranks, he is not listed here (Land of Fire is a better place for him). As for outcasts, characters are located in the list of whatever organization or country they are currently (or were at the end of their life) loyal to. Itachi, for example, no longer operates as a ninja of Konoha but as a member of Akatsuki, readily fighting Konoha ninja if the need arises. Because of this he is found in an Akatsuki article, not a Konoha article. As for Tokubetsu Jonin, you'll need to bring that up on the ninja rank's talk page. ~SnapperTo 04:50, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Edit conflict; might as well post it anyways...
 * Sanin translates to, more-or-less, "Three Ninja." It refers to the three ninja that trained under the Third. It has nothing to do with rank at all. It is a sign of recognition. If anything, he is an S-Rank ninja, which, as pointed out before, is not an official rank in canon. Come to think of it, I think Jiraiya even pointed out once that he has a wandering sage, thus unassociated with any one particular village, but I don't know what episode or chapter that was so I can't back it up.
 * If someone is an outcast, they are no longer a part of their place of origin. It's the simplified definition of the word "outcast."
 * ANBU is indeed a rank. Er, I don't know how better to put it.
 * Not so sure about that Tokubetsu Jonin bit. But, if the other ranks remain untranslated, I don't see why "Tokubetsu" should be translated.
 * Sign your posts with ~ . I'm assuming that you don't have an account here, but it's still a formality to leave behind a signature with date and time, even if we only see your IP adress. (On a more personal note, any 12-digit number as a signature is better than the most overrated "I'm cool 'cuz I'm into darkness" name ever used).  You Can '  t See Me!  05:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Sandaime article speculation
The 1st paragraph of Sandaime's article seems like complete speculation. It was never stated that he specialized in fire and earth techniques, those are simply the ones he used (the earth justu in particular was just the proper counter for that situation). It was also never stated that he specialized in elemental jutsus either. This all seems like someone looked at the few jutsus he had time to use, assumed it was his entire fighting style and wrote it into the article. Considering that he used 6 jutsus and only two of them were elemental, it's hardly accurate if the source is nothing but the manga. Is this in a databook somewhere or is it just completely made up? 69.177.144.165 02:59, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * You seem to be confusing the word "specifically" with "specialized". ~SnapperTo 03:14, 17 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Are you admitting that all this information is complete speculation? Either way, your point makes no sense. Most of his jutsus are elemental jutsus. Most of his elemental jutsus are earth and fire jutsus. If his primary fighting style revolves around earth and fire jutsus, that means he specializes in earth and fire jutsus. 69.177.144.165 23:07, 23 August 2007 (UTC)

Arashi Uzumaki
The fourth Hokage's is "Arashi Uzumaki". It's not theorize, although you have to put information together. As already know, the fourth Hokage also had to sign the contact for frog summons. If you look on the episode where Naruto signs it, you will see "Arashi Uzumaki" in Japanese. This is a obvious sign right in the TV show it's self. This however does not prove if the Fourth's son is Naruto or not, but it does show his name.

functional; &#91;Blaher] - http://blahertech.dnsalias.net 21:05, 19 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's actually a squiggly line which differs in the anime and manga.  You Can '  t See Me!  22:47, 20 August 2007 (UTC)

To me it looks like sloppy gibberish in both the anime and the manga. It's already been seen in soon to no longer be unreleased pages of the manga that his name was "not" Uzumaki, Arashi anyhow. Intellect Ninja 22:57, 23 August 2007 (UTC)


 * In manga chapter 367, the Forth Hokage's name is revealed to be Minato Namikaze. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

The fansubbers put that name as a joke years ago.Jink

At what point did the anime become the official source for canon?His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono 01:43, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Japanese Names
Most of the characters names are either objects or ingredients etc. I assume this is not normal in Japan, kinda like having a name like David Potato or something? So having a name like Nawaki "rope wood" would be odd? I think I have seen this in manga & anime before, Dragonball etc. --Conradical247 04:05, 24 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's not really common in Japan, but it is common in anime. They're pun names, like Frieda Livery or Tyra Nasaurus.  You Can '  t See Me!  04:49, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Well is allso not that uncommon.I do agree a name as Kakashi (scarecrow) Hatake (field,farmland) is preaty much uncommon as a japanese name, but a name as Sakura (chery blossom) Haruno (spring field) is preaty common...i recall once reading that Sakura is one of the most popular names for girls in the 1990s and 2000s in japan.Aswell i would like to add the fact that whatever languege and/or counry a name is oriented from it allways has a meaning..as such the name Rober means "bright fame"..or the name of the famous japanese movie directo Akira Kurosawa.. Akira can mean "bright/shining"..it can allso mean "inteligent2 but its stil a common name eventhou what it means may sound unusual as a name for some people —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)

New character
In chapter 367, tsunade mentioned a Kuchina Uzumaki. I'm not going to speculate here and say that she is of any known relation to naruto, but I am going to list her for now. busboy 05:33, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

it is stated (naruto manga 367 page 11-12) that se IS naruto's mother. M877y 20:50, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Got it. Adding it now. Busboy 20:55, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

She is not a Konoha ninja, so she doesn't fit this article. - Access Timeco 21:40, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

I can't actually read the new manga as my computer sucks, but I do believe someone said she came from The Whirlpool country. Anyway she is no from Konoha. --Kaoskaix 00:32, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

rumored and sword
Someone should add that its rumored that Naruto's parents are The Fourth Hokage and Yugao Uzuki. Also the Second Hokage if I'm correct, had that sword named Sword of Rajin or something simulator to that. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Uzumaki Dude (talk • contribs) 21:16, August 24, 2007 (UTC)


 * No. We already know Naruto's parents, the Fourth and a female shinobi from the Whirlpool Country. As for the Second as he means virtually nothing to me (nor does the sword) you have to back that one up with facts.--TheUltimate3 21:20, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Yup, the fourth, and the shinobi from the Whirlpool Country. That's according to Tsunade and Jiraiya anyway. Oh wow, I wonder how many fanboys with that original theory are squealing with delight. --Conradical247 08:45, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

Spoiler Warnings Desperately Needed
Particularly in the section about the 4th Hokage. The anime (and roughly 90% of the series' fans) are nowhere close to the story developments recently revealed in the manga, and blatantly putting it on the page without warning is really a problem. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Special:Contributions/ (talk)
 * Read WP:SPOILER. We don't use spoiler warnings to obscure plot details. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 05:39, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

-If your stupid enough to wiki Naruto without expecting spoilers, then they need mental help. Signed by me.

Fair use image removal
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Fourth to Minato
Instead of calling him the Fourth, shouldn't we just refer to him as just Minato Namikaze? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.181.50.107 (talk) 15:12, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
 * The Fourth is his most common name. Similar how we call the Third, the Third and not his given name.--TheUltimate3 15:17, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Spoilers
Again, spoiler tags are definitely needed for this article, especially pertaining to the Fourth Hokage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.237.149.176 (talk) 04:20, August 28, 2007 (UTC)


 * And again, we don't use spoilers to cordon off plot details. Read WP:SPOILER. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 04:26, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * Spoilers should be expected when looking something up on Wikipedia. If you don't want to find out who the Fourth Hokage is (not that it matters given the number of people who already suspected he was related to Naruto), you shouldn't be reading up on him. ~SnapperTo 04:28, 28 August 2007 (UTC)

i think it's mostly because they just want to know more about the characters but it is true...you shouldn't come to wiki if you don't want any spoilers. it's just not done. wiki has everything. LOL --Bloody rock princess (talk) 15:33, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Minato and Naruto
It has yet to be specifically stated that Naruto is indeed Minato's son. It's been danced around a few times in chapter 367, it is stated:
 * "The resemblance [between Naruto and Minato] is undeniable"
 * "Naruto's personality resembles that of his mother's, though"
 * "Naruto resembles his father more than his mother when it comes to his appearance"

It's never clearly stated that the father is, in fact, Minato. Because of this, I will edit out all attempts to claim Minato as Naruto's father in the article. ~FallenAngelII 17:53, 28 August 2007 (GMT+1)


 * Why else would the Fourth be mentioned in that conversation if he weren't related to Naruto? And you are leaving Jiraiya out of the conversation:
 * Jiraiya: in regards to Naruto "it felt just like I was teaching Minato again"
 * ...other stuff...
 * Tsunade: "but Naruto does look a lot like his father"
 * Jiraiya: in response to Tsunade "that's why I see him in Naruto"
 * ~SnapperTo 22:17, 28 August 2007 (UTC)


 * The "Him" might just as well be Naruto's father, third party. Or maybe Minato and Naruto's father were twins or related. The "him" could mean a whole bunch of things. What you all must agree on and is that it hasn't been explicitly stated. Thus, it is not a fact. That conversation was far from normal in terms of language. Why would they distinctly say "his father" instead of "Minato" or "The Fourth" after naming both Minato and Kushina? Kishimoto DELIBERATELY made it vague and ambiguous. ~FallenAngelII 15:08, 29 August 2007 (GMT+1)


 * Because if they did not say "his father", then the concept of Naruto's father would be absent from the conversation. You are disregarding the reference to earlier in their conversation for the sake of creating a third person. ~SnapperTo 21:24, 29 August 2007 (UTC)

you guys are stupid...you need everything in your face...dont you....it is stated that it was naruto's father...who is that other him...it just doesnt make sence to mention him and that him not be fourth.... —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gettoland DIO (talk • contribs) 19:40, August 30, 2007 (UTC)

That's fine, it's so obvious that Naruto's father is the 4th. And why shouldn't he be? The anime and manga is only titled, "Naruto" after all. Oh well, when it's official the 4th is his father, people will be scrambling on whether the Akatsuki leader is Naruto's brother. That's too is pretty obvious, when Jiraiya said she's was like one of the boys. Plus Kushina had red hair, Akatsuki leader looks like Naruto, come on guys. The family tree is Namikaze Minato the dad, Kushina Uzumaki the mother, Akatsuki leader is the eldest son, and Naruto is the youngest son. Count on it. Jijjin 00:49, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * I have many reasons to deny this theory, the main one being how could the Fourth father a child in the Whirlpool Country (or wherever Pein is from) from Konoha, and then have Uzumaki come back to Konoha to have Naruto just in time for both of them to die.--TheUltimate3 00:56, 31 August 2007 (UTC)


 * It's actually quite possible, think about it nothing says that Kushina couldn't have a kid with someone else before getting with the Fourth and having Naruto and what's this question about Naruto's mother's fate she likely died in child birth or soon after -- MCDBBlits 03:01, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok Kushina grew up in kanoha... if she didnt, then how would tsunade and jiraya remember her as a child growing up. Maybe she was some important person from the whirlpool country(her last name means whirlpool) and was rescued by minato when the country was being destroyed(its the former whirlool country). Or you could be right and it could be called the former whirlpool country because the name was changed to whatever piens hometown is called... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.35.238.200 (talk) 01:34, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Ultimate, how bout you ignore what I said about Pein... Now... Do you deny the very high possibility that the 4th is Naruto's father? Jijjin 19:52, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

First, its THEUltimate if you don't wish to use the 3, otherwise its TheUltimate3. That being said, I go by the manga and the manga pretty much said "Fourth his Naruto's pappy."--TheUltimate3 20:57, 3 September 2007 (UTC)

It does not matter if the manga "pretty much says it" or that there's a very "high possibility". Unless you've complete missed it, every time I've edited the article, I've added that "it is heavily implied" they are father and son. Until such time it's said outright and with 100% clarity and that are indeed father and son, it remains a heavily implied blood relation and not a fact and should not be treated as such here on Wikipedia. Head over to the Naruto talk-page where this dispute was settle with compromise of stating that it is heavily implied.--FallenAngelII 14:57, 7 September 2007 (GMT+1)


 * The entire conversation is about two and only two people. You've invented some random person to suit your argument. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 15:03, 7 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Despite your petty wish to make that true, you cannot deny the possibility of a third person. I, as opposed to you, also never said "This is what's true. This is the ONLY truth". I said that they COULD be talking about a third person and as such, it was never clearly stated that they are related. --FallenAngelII 11:109, 10 September 2007 (GMT+1)


 * Wrong, I can because there is none. You've invented this person and are trying to give him life by changing the article as such. The targets of conversation are clear, as are the relations therein. It is quite clearly stated. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 09:15, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * And you're so sure of this, how? Do you have a secret acquaintance with Kishimoto-sensei? You cannot deny the possibility of a third person. Or, you couldn't if you weren't so blinded by your obsession that it's been clearly established that Naruto and Minato are father and son. Even the scanlators and translators themselves said that the conversation was strange and "danced around the subject" (HisshouBuraiKen's wording). --FallenAngelII 12:18, 10 September 2007 (GMT+1)


 * It's still made clear. Jiraiya considers the Fouth his son, which makes Naruto his grandson. Simple and elegant. All you have is conjecture that he somehow went to a completely different person during the course of the conversation. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 10:29, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Now you're just being illogical. Are you claiming what Jiraiya said proves Minato is his son and Naruto his grandson?! It's not made clear. It's made fairly certain, but not 100% certain. The mere fact that it was worded so that the involvement of a possible third person is possible shows that Kishimoto's going to great lengths to heavily imply but not directly state. And, AGAIN, the translators and scanlators THEMSELVES are saying it's ambiguous. Or are you claiming that you have a greater grasp of the Japanese language than they do? --FallenAngelII 13:49, 10 September 2007 (GMT+1)


 * I see no one except you saying this. Provide a link if they're saying this. You're still not proving anything. You're just warping the meaning of the text to suit your position. There is no third person in the conversation, only the two. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 21:03, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
 * To add to that, even the Japanese wiki acknowledges them as father and son: . Are you saying translators know better than native speakers? — Someguy0830 (T | C) 22:23, 10 September 2007 (UTC)


 * The Japanese Wiki is maintained by laymen, just like the English Wiki. And have you seen the Japanese boards? Let's not take the words of Japanese fans. Also, you yourself are taking the translation and using it as 100% indesputable proof they are father and son despite the wording being weird and the sentencing weird as well. You doubt the Japanese fans are incapable of doing such? Their theories are wilder than we can even imagine. Overzealous fans are no doubt jumping on it and assuming it's 100% proof despite it not being so. Said translators (at least the ones I put my faith in) are either Japanese or have a Japanese wife. People who support my stance: Lord Holy Ono, Alexyasha, ItachiUchihaArticleForTheWin, 71.53.82.182 (IP). Of course, that's not a huge number. But at least I'm not alone. I'm not warping anything. I'm pointing out the possibility that clearly exists. You cannot deny that they could be talking about a third person. Or are you denying such a possibility? That it's 100% impossible Jiraiya and Tsunade could be talking about a third person? And as long as such doubt remains and Minato is never clearly stated beyond any possible doubt to be Naruto's father, then it's not a fact, and as such, it is a heavily implied theory. --FallenAngelII 07:18, 11 September 2007 (GMT+1)


 * Congrats, you named a bunch of single purpose accounts or low-use accounts. You still haven't provided a link where people who know what they're talking about support your point. You still haven't explained how there could be a third person in a conversation talking about two people. You're still just avoiding the issue. I say again, Jiraiya makes it quite clear. The Fourth is like his son, which makes Naruto like a grandson. Disprove this, give a link, or at least do something that amounts to useful discussion. All you're doing is trying to make a third person by misconstruing the text. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 05:26, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * This is getting ridiculous. Three fully protected pages for edit warring over this issue is flabbergasting. In any case, FallenAngelII seems to be applying his own original synthesis to believe that the text is referring to a third person, when there are only two people mentioned in the conversation. As this is not accepted, the other path is logically taken. Someguy0830's argument is supported by the text. As for the supporters you have gathered, Wikipedia is not a democracy. The number of people does not matter, arguments matter. You have largely been guilty of disrupting Wikipedia to make a point, resulting in the protection of these three pages, when you have not fully addressed the issue here. Anyhow, let's get a consensus moving so we can get these pages unprotected. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 05:32, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I haven't done anything on the Land of Fire section. That one seems to be locked due to some kind of Obito/Madara-war. Why are you blaming me for what is obviously the fault of others? --FallenAngelII 19:19, 11 September 2007 (GMT+1)


 * (Indent break) I haven't seen this particular scene yet, but here's my opinion on the matter:
 * If it is not outright stated that Naruto's pappy is the Fourth, then so be it. Go with FallenAngel and say that it is heavily implied. However, I'd consider Snapper's above quotation to be an outright statement; I can see how a third person might work its way in, but I doubt anyone in the series can look any more like Naruto than the Hokage already mentioned in the conversation. Further evidence is that, as Someguy pointed out, the tidbit made it onto the Japanese Wikipedia: What we percieve as ambiguous wording is just gradeschool grammar to them, so if they say something means something, we ought to take their word for it. Still, take my words lightly, because as I mentioned, I have not read through this chapter (nor a large part of Shippuden) yet.
 * Anyways, let's get this settled soon. List of Konoha ninja is fully-protected, Naruto Uzumaki is fully protected; what next?  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 05:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Given that we assume good faith with editors, this extends to the Japanese Wikipedia as well. Ergo, if they believe that this manga, written in their native tongue, means something as they believe it to be, and there are no existing edit conflicts over the issue, then we should take their word for it. They take precedence over any of the translators we've all been using for our arguments. Oh, and the third fully protected page is Land of Fire if you haven't noticed it already. Productive argument, no? Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 05:42, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * 0.0! I didn't notice that. Anyways, the Japanese Wikipedia argument is the most convincing yet; your point that there are no edit wars about this on the Japanese Wikipedia only strengthens the whole deal. I think I've seen enough from the arguments here and from Snapper's quotation, so I retract the "take my words lightly" from my previous post; consider it an argument now rather than an observation.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 05:50, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * There is no edit warring going on the Japanese pages, you say? I visited Naruto's main page. It's under Crystal Clear protection, whatever that is. I don't speak Japanese myself, which is why I rely on the words of translators, but the page CANNOT BE EDITED. So obviously SOME kind of dispute arose. Tell me, are any of you able to read Japanese? Are any of you able to see wat the Japanese pages state, what the talk pages say and why the Naruto-page was locked? Before saying "The Japanese fans all think this", try to check those things out first. 'Til such time, I'll tkae the words of reputed translators when they state that the wording and sentences was strange when Tsunade and Jiraiya were talking about Naruto's parents and that the third person is indicated to be Minato but that it's not perfectly clear. The translators themselves cannot make their mind up about whether Minato is really Naruto's father based on the conversation because of this. The author himself is deliberately using ambiguous language, not wanting to state clearly that there is indeed a blood relation. Why? Because he's an idiot, but that's beside the point. And you are all ignoring this because in your mind, it's perfect clear and any proof to support it is 100% definite proof. --FallenAngelII 19:23, 11 September 2007 (GMT+1)


 * It's still made clear, and you're not addressing the point. You're just belittling the positions of others. Where is this third person? Where are your translators claiming this nonsense? Stop being evasive and post some proof, because you have no argument as it stands. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:40, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree. They were only talking about two people, so there couldn't have been a third person. Ryu-chan (Talk) 19:47, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * When did I belittle the positions of others? I have never belittled anyone for thinking Naruto is Minato's son neither before nor now. It's YOU who keeps talking like I'm an idiot for not falling in line and announcing my allegiance to the "it's been made clear"-crowd. --FallenAngelII 21:36, 12 September 2007 (GMT+1)

Tsunade: Namikaze Minato... The resemblance is undeniable...

Jiraiya: Minato had talent you only see once a decade, at best. He was a genius... No one like him has been born in a while. He was such a nice kid, yet his gut and desire to succeed were the fiercest I'd ever seen. And in a blink of an eye, he was our fourth Hokage. I never had kids, so I don'twhat it was like... But if he'd been my son, I'd have bragged about him all the time.

Tsunade: Haha... Hearing you say that makes me think of how different they are, too. If I had to choose, I'd say he's much more similar to his mother.

source

another one

Tsunade: Kushina became so beautiful as she grew up... But Naruto does look a lot like his father.

here

Ryu-chan (Talk) 17:38, 11 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Furthermore, only the Japanese Naruto page is locked. Uzumaki's page is free for anyone to edit. If the dispute was about Naruto's parenteage, Uzumaki's page would be on lockdown instead. So, uh, yeah...
 * Oh, and Land of Fire was blocked for Tobi/Madara reasons, long before the whole Minato ordeal, wasn't it? So it actually was only two articles that got blocked as a result of this, not three. Then again, this one lame debate has gotten two articles protected, which is bad on its own. I suppose it's time for closing arguments before things get even more out of hand.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 05:49, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * My bad. It was still fully protected over a lame issue anyway, putting it in the same pool. Given that FallenAngelII is evading the point and resorting to personal attacks on the editors at the Japanese Wikipedia, as well as here, I believe we can safely resolve the issue. Feel free to file a WP:RPP report requesting unprotection. Sephiroth BCR  ( Converse ) 07:12, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Personal attacks? When did I do that? HisshouBuraiKen, one of the most reputable (fan)translators of the Naruto-manga: And again, although it is heavily implied, there is not the "Minato is Naruto's Father" straight statement that will squelch the argument. You have been forewarned. What I said about the Japanese Naruto fans still stand. As long as neither of you know enough Japanese to know exactly what the page says, what the edit notes say and what the talk pages say, you cannot state that there is no argument going on with the Japanese fans as if it were a fact. I wouldn't be making this fuss if the TRANSLATORS hadn't said the dialogue was fuzzy, meaning the dialogue could very well indicate a third person. Do any of you even hang out on Narutofan and read the translator notes? --FallenAngelII 13:08, 12 September 2007 (GMT+1)


 * And again, as you've been told several times now. provide a damn link to that statement. Consensus is against you. Once the page protection is over, it goes in favor of consensus. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 17:03, 12 September 2007 (UTC)
 * Also, the spoiler script for the next chapter confirms my position, so you won't have anything to complain about in two days, anyway. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 17:19, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Count the number of times I've been told to provide a damn link to the translator notes. http://forums.narutofan.com/showthread.php?t=259494 Read HisshouBuraiKen's posts only as his are the only ones that count. Provide a link to said spoiler script and spoiler scripts are often wrong at least in some capacity. And how the hell does anyone even have spoiler scripts yet? According to Amazon.co.jp, Shounen Jump is released on Fridays (well, there was one released on the 27th of July at least). Are there psychic spoiler people? --FallenAngelII 21:31, 12 September 2007 (GMT+1)


 * "Of course I agree that after reading this, the 4th is Naruto's father. I'm just warning everyone that the debate is likely to rage on for a while — HisshouBuraiKen"
 * Funny in how your myriad complaints you fail to mention that post on page three. Selectively picking your arguments doesn't make you right, it makes you ignorant. As for your question, I've asked you four separate times on this page, and it took bold for you to finally pay attention. See here for the script. Consensus is against you and so is the text. Leave it be. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 19:39, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I missed that post. Because I don't read the through the entire translation threads. Too much of it is spam (95% of all posts consist of mainly "Thanks for the translation!"). Of course, if chapter 370 does indeed confirm it, then I'll stand corrected. It's not that I ever said it was ever wrong to say that Minato is Naruto's father. I always made sure to say that it was heavily implied but not yet confirmed. If 370 confirms it, then so be it. 367, however, did not. If nothing else on the matter was ever said, it would not have been confirmed. --FallenAngelII 07:00 or whatever, 13 September 2007 (GMT+1) —Preceding unsigned comment added by FallenAngelII (talk • contribs) 05:36, 13 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Yes, it would have. Even the translator understands the implication of the text, the very opposite of all your claims thus far. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 07:59, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Shonen Jump is released isn't released on Friday. It's released on Wednesday. If it were released on Firday, then there would be no way of recieving it, translating it, and posting it on the same day. Ryu-chan (Talk) | (Contributions) 19:47, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * 370 does confirm that Minato is Naruto's father. He sealed Kyubi into his son and left part of the Kyubi's chakra in Naruto. Also, in Japan, there are people who got hold of Shonen Jump before it is offically released to the public. That is why there are spoiler pics and people post the summary at 2ch. Toko07 15:34, 13 September 2007 (UTC)

Just add it
Since Minato is a notable character and because he is apart of the naruto beginnings couldn't we just add in a picture of him.

Can the 4th being the greatest ninja that was ever produced be changed to. The greatest hokage; and add that the 3rd was the strongest hokage. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.137.169.151 (talk) 08:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

Picture
The Fourth's picture was deleted, but there are no pitures on the whole article, and he should have one because he is Naruto's father. I added it so please don't delete it. Ultimaterasengan 20:47, 1 September 2007 (UTC)

I have a question for whoever manages Wikipedia. Why are you deleting all of the pictures? Specifically, the Naruto pictures? I dislike this, because placing images on your website allows people to see what the characters look like. Also, on the characters who have full articles, whose bright idea was it to remove that character's techniques. It is much easier to just type in the characters name and see their techniques than go looking for them. Could someone please respond. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Master auror (talk • contribs) 21:46, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Deletion Questions
I have a question for whoever manages Wikipedia. Why are you deleting all of the pictures? Specifically, the Naruto pictures? I dislike this, because placing images on your website allows people to see what the characters look like. Also, on the characters who have full articles, whose bright idea was it to remove that character's techniques. It is much easier to just type in the characters name and see their techniques than go looking for them. Could someone please respond. Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Master auror (talk • contribs) 21:48, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * 1) Asking here ain't going to help. 2) They were removed because apparently its against Wiki Policy to have so much none-free things on their website. You can take it up with them personally if you have the time and the energy to do so. I however do not and so far am forced to go with the flow until I do have the time. 3) Naruto articles aren't the only ones targeted, we (as far as I cared to look up and I didn't) are the only ones to have this much opposition to it.--TheUltimate3 21:58, 12 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Read further up the page at the section titled "Fair use image removal".  Broken Sphere Msg me 22:14, 12 September 2007 (UTC)

Flying Thunder God Jutsu
The Flying Thunder God Jutsu does not require a special seal. If you go back to the "Kakashi Gaiden" story arc of the Naruto Manga, you see The Fourth Hokage use the flying thunder god jutsu to save Kakashi from a Rock Ninja and as he grabs Kakashi, he places a seal on the foot of the Rock Ninja. Then he uses the Body Flicker Technique to kill the Rock Ninja. When the Fourth Hokage kills all those other Rock Ninja, he asks the other Leaf Shinobi to throw his special kunai, with a seal on it, at the enemy. Again he does the Body Flicker Technique to kill those Rock Ninja. The Flying Thunder God jutsu works by not using a seal, but by being able to see where you are going/knowing exactly where you are going. I forgot where I read how it works, but it was one of the Naruto websites. The real point is that no one knows how the Flying Thunder God jutsu is done yet.

Tristan76 19:59, 15 September 2007 (UTC)


 * We know how it works. It works how we've written it. What you've written is just nonsense. — Someguy0830 (T | C) 20:03, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Idiot tristan is right! no one actually knows there are to many theories about it too. 1 it is pure speed. 2 bloodline limit. 3 it summons the user 4 it really does teleport. 5 it travels along with lightning. 6 cloning o.O. thats just the surface of all the theories most r half baked —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.112.4.123 (talk) 17:01, 6 October 2007 (UTC)
 * ...It's been explained in the databooks. Any "theories" are just plain outdated.  You Can '  t See Me!  19:05, 6 October 2007 (UTC)

The Fourth
Ok whatever prick keeps editing the fourths part, to all crap linking him to akatsuki really needs to stop, theres no proof, if they release that with a future chapter, congrats you were right and still a craping loser, pardon the language but get a life, and take your crap elsewhere. --66.231.38.184 22:48, 15 September 2007 (UTC)
 * People don't always read discussion pages. There's a large chance that your comment won't reach your intended target.
 * Regardless of whether or not you reached this person, refrain from personal attacks.  You Can ' t Review Me!!! 23:27, 15 September 2007 (UTC)

Why does it say, that the Fourth is "presumably" deceased? Is there any information, that the Fourth did not die sealing the kyiubi? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 62.167.96.94 (talk) 17:33, 28 November 2007 (UTC)

i don't think so. the series specifically said the DEATH OF THE FOURTH HOKAGE. that's why his face is on the side of a mountain! but it would be cool if he was alive and finally be a fthaer to our Naruto. --Bloody rock princess (talk) 15:35, 31 January 2008 (UTC)

Mitarashi
In the paragraph about Anko Mitarashi it says ""Anko" and "Mitarashi" are ingredients in dango[...]". Mitarashi is not an ingredient, but the name of the well/ pond in front of Buddhist shrines where people wash themselves before they enter. Mitarashi dango were named after the bubbles that floated on top of the water in the mitarashi pond at the Shimogamo Shrine in Kyōto. (source) 87.78.21.148 12:01, 19 September 2007 (UTC)
 * I think it should also be added that if you say "Mitarashi Anko" fast, it could sound like "Mitarashi Dango". 68.56.3.16 18:55, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Gekko Hayate
Should it be added that "Hayate" can also mean something along the lines of "one who runs fast", referring to his death? 68.56.3.16 18:57, 23 September 2007 (UTC)

Third Hokages name = ?????
What is the Third's name? I'm guessing it is Asuma,like his son, but if it isn't, then please tell me what it is below. Uzumaki Dude 02:28, 1 November 2007 (UTC).3

Owww yeah, and whats the First's and Second's? again tell me. Uzumaki Dude 02:33, 1 November 2007 (UTC)

That's currently unknown. Sorry —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.185.163.37 (talk) 21:21, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Sandaime Hokage = Asuma Sarutobi.

The First and Seconds names are unknown.His royal majesty, Lord Holy Ono 18:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)


 * No, Asuma is his son's name. The Third's first name is unknown. ~SnapperTo 23:15, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Fillers From Anime
Why put information on the page that was taken from events that only happen in the fillers for the Anime series and not in the Manga? For example:

Although Mizuki initially seems to have no specific use for the scroll, the anime's filler arcs show that, as a former student of Orochimaru, he intended to give the scroll to his master. After leading a prison revolt to escape from jail, Mizuki uses the instructions depicted on a tattoo given to him by Orochimaru to create a potion. After consuming the potion, Mizuki transforms into a tiger-like man-beast with doubled speed and power, but Naruto manages to defeat him again, with Iruka noting that Naruto has surpassed him. Mizuki, however, is yet another victim of Orochimaru's manipulation, and turns into an angry, shriveled, and powerless old man when the potion dissipates. Tsunade eventually heals him back to his normal state and interrogates him about the whereabouts of Orochimaru, but learns nothing of any use.

How do we know if this is Canon or not if it only happened in the Anime? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.38.214.131 (talk) 04:31, 21 November 2007 (UTC)


 * It happened in the anime, and so it is included. "Canon" is solely determined by fans until such time that Kishimoto says the anime is a different continuity. ~SnapperTo 22:44, 21 November 2007 (UTC)I tought his name was Sarutobi... Tobi rocks!
 * Besides Wiki doesn't care about canonicity. If something IS noncanon then you may note it as such. But excluding it is outside the bounds of what wikipedia is.--Marhawkman (talk) 02:59, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

Article is going downhill
What the hell happened to all the other Konoha ninja? It seems like there is a huge edit war going on over the fourth hokage and people have allowed quite a few characters fall through the cracks. For example, where's the information on Izumo and Koetsu (spelling is probably wrong) the chunin gate guards? They appear as cameos quite often in both the anime and manga. And what about Genma? Just take a look at http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_Konoha_ninja&oldid=168807706 compared to the current page to see how much is missing. I do not have the time nor the desire to get involved in this edit war. I would just request that some responsible party who monitors this page add back the pertinent information. Wikipedia shows up at the top of most any search and people expect to find moderately in depth information about any subject. A list of characters the main character of this series encounters with a sentence or two about each is hardly excessive.--130.127.48.188 (talk) 01:44, 29 November 2007 (UTC)

Vandalism
There is some Vandalism, lets clean it up and put a ban on new users. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mrbald (talk • contribs) 06:51, 6 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Been fixed. Apparently this article has attracted Indonesian vandals. Yays and so forth. ~SnapperTo 06:55, 6 December 2007 (UTC)

Teammates of Sandaime and Konohamaru
Homura and the other elder should receive a mention in a combined fashion like Izumo & Kotetsu. Also, I originally came to this article looking for the names of the teammates of Konohamaru. I don't think that they deserve their own entry, but their names should at least be mentioned in Konohamaru's. Lore aura (talk) 18:52, 8 December 2007 (UTC)


 * They aren't significant enough to be listed independently, and simple name-dropping isn't really helpful. Konohamaru's teammates are included at the Naruto wikia, so consider looking there. ~SnapperTo 20:06, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Addition
This is really more of a question than a suggestion, but I remember Sakumo Hatake being a part of some list of minor ninja characters, and I assume that it was taken off. Would it be unnecessary to add him to the list of minor characters, since he is only mentiond quite a few times? Or would it be okay to add him back? -Hahligirl56 (talk) 20:16, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Criteria for listing of "minor" characters is that they've had some impact on the plot. Has Sakumo done anything of interest aside from being Kakashi's father? ~SnapperTo 21:43, 21 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Who made up that criteria? They should be mentioned because they are a part of Naruto. Besides by your "criteria" how is Aoba not in this article? He had an impact on the plot. Gune (talk) 00:51, 11 January 2008 (UTC)


 * "Some" is the criteria, not "I have one scene that any other random character could have done instead". As for the applicable criteria, refer to WP:NOT: merely being true, or even verifiable, does not automatically make something suitable for inclusion in the encyclopedia. Refer to the Naruto wikia if you'd like an in depth whatever to Naruto. ~SnapperTo 02:47, 11 January 2008 (UTC)

Shizune as Dan's niece
Is there a citation for this? I don't recall it being stated in the manga. Is it something from the anime or guidebooks? 24.84.2.239 (talk) 02:22, 7 January 2008 (UTC)


 * She calls him her uncle during Orochimaru's initial resurrection offer. Ref added. ~SnapperTo 04:29, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Aoba Yamashiro
Most of us know who Aoba Yamashiro is.He is a member of the Niju Shotai,and uses crows in his jutsu.He was also one of the Konoha jonin who released genjutsu and fought in the war.He was also the one who told Sasuke about Itachi's return.There used to be a section on him.Now there isnt.He has made quite a few appearences,so where is he?Narutoboy1001 (talk) 01:48, 21 January 2008 (UTC)Narutoboy1001

I agree. He should be put back in. Gune (talk) 07:45, 30 January 2008 (UTC)

First Hokage's Last name?
I was mentioned in the last naruto manga that Konoha was founded by Madara Uchiha and Someone from the Forest Nation/village who later became the First. Itachi,I believe said his last name was Senju ( the clan he was from is called that) It's on page 10 of Manga 386.Therefore since Itachi states thats the First's clan's name,wouldn't his last name be Senju? Anadentone (talk) 03:31, 3 February 2008 (UTC)Anadentone
 * The first Hokage was indeed from the Senju clan, but that doesn't make Senju his last name. Kimimaro was from the Kaguya clan, but the second databook doesn't give Kaguya as his last name. The name of your clan isn't necessarily your last name, as well. JadziaLover (talk) 13:11, 3 February 2008 (UTC)

Fuma clan
Where'd they go? It looks like someone lost them in a reorganization.--Marhawkman (talk) 03:00, 4 February 2008 (UTC)

I know. There should be a section for anime-only characters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 147.4.204.47 (talk) 02:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Hint At Minato's Age?
I've figured he must have been somewhere between 18(maybe 20)-37 when he died. Kakashi is 26 in the first arc. Naruto is 13. Kakashi would have been 13 when he died.

And Minato was sensei to Kakashi during Gaiden so he must be older then Kakashi, especially since Kakshi was so underdeveloped at the time.

Jiraiya is 37 or less when Minato died and he was sensei to Minato when he was younger so Jiraiya PROBABLY is more then a few years older then him at the least (we havn't seen a sensei that was younger then the students yet).

That and the fact he seemed engaged to Kushina raises the Japanese Marriage Age. So unless hte marriage isn't in effect I've deduced That His age is 18-37 anyother help to fonrim his age? I think he was 21-29 when he died really, since he seems to still burst ith energy then. but any other ideas to help confirm his age? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.167.35.204 (talk) 08:44, 26 March 2008 (UTC)