Talk:List of minor One Piece characters

11 Supernovas and their Titles
I wanting to bring up the alias and titles of some of the new pirates introduced in the latest chapter. A handfull have a special title which in their description box and they are currently being changed a lot. It's not a "crisis" or anything, but I'd just like to get it all sorted out now.

These are the titles variations for the characters:

Jewelry Bonney: "Big Eater", "Glutton"

Basil Hawkins: "The Magician", "The Magic Man"

Urougue: "The Mystery Monk", "The Demon Monk"

Trafalger Law: "The Dark Doctor", "The Surgeon of Death"

The ones that I believe are correct are the first one of every list. I will be changing them to those names probably later tonight but if anyone has any problems, just tell me so now. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.6.143 (talk) 08:36, 29 April 2008 (UTC)

Stupid Joke
Chris Sabat? somebody edited this so that everyvoice actor says Chris Sabat. Can somebody edit?


 * I just went through and fixed it, but I don't know anything about the 4Kids Voice actors, so when those were screwed with, I just deleted them and left them blank. Somebody please fix that now.--Demon Rin 08:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC)

—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.96.60.125 (talk) 03:15, 6 May 2007 (UTC).

Spoiler Tags!
Spoiler tags should be added to the article, and possibly for certain sections of some characters. Even though spoilers are expected when reading character descriptions, there are some things revealed that are crucial plot elements that may be best warned against before reading, especially those in the manga that have not yet been mentioned in the anime. Take for example Dragon. In the latest chapters of the manga we learn some very shocking information about him, but this is far beyond the scope of the anime, and I fear some unexpecting people may walk into this unknowingly and ruin the surprise. I also suggest we change his name back to just "Dragon."

GUN FALL IS THE CORRECT NAME!!
If someone changes it back to gan forr, gun for, gunn forr, or gan forr again then I am not helping wikipedia anymore. Everthing I try to help add someone always takes it out or changes it. There was a discussion on this name already but apparently some isn't considerate enough to check there first. -Therealssjlink


 * Isn't it Gan Fall?


 * Gan Fall is what #kaizoku-fansubs used based on the way that they pronounce it in the anime (GaN FuaRu). Gun Fall is the correct name and is used on Official One Piece products (search for some and you will see).


 * Ahh, okay. Still, you don't have be be all whiney about it. "IF SOMEBODY DOESN'T DO WHAT I WANT I'M LEAVING", nice. :/

Dalton removed?
Why was the entire Dalton section removed? Was it put on another page? --nihon 00:10, 5 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Dalton has his own page. Although I think he would probably be fine just on here. I'm pretty sure Pell has one too. Anyone with me on that these two should just be moved here?


 * Aha. :-) --nihon 06:56, 5 January 2006 (UTC)

Portgas...
why is he on the top?

Too Large
This page is too large, can anyone think of characters we can take out of this to give them their own page? For example, read the source. Both 'Ben Beckman' and the 'Billions' are in the source, but they are not showing up at all on the page. If you look at the bottom it is cut off. What is the cause of this? Tyciol 17:47, 12 May 2006 (UTC)


 * I think Zeff and maybe Hiruluk deserves their own pages. --Mellorine 19:53, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Pandaman
I thought he was first seen (in the anime) when the marine was explaining to Fullbody that Gin had escaped. Is it anime only?


 * I believe so, but if you can confirm this it would be a great contribution to his section since there isn't any information differentiating between manga and anime appearances.--Mardukknight 22:15, 30 September 2006 (UTC)

actually hes in the opening, hes one of the people attacking zoro, so he actual appears in episode 1 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.90.72.218 (talk) 03:01, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Moving the sources
I'm currently SBS sourcing stuff... But I don't intend to have them like they are right now, all separate with their characters. I'm moving them to the bottom of the page later when I'm done going though 35+ manga vols worth of SBS. Basically this is temporary measures while I sort out the info. Angel Emfrbl 18:40, 27 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay finished that. Some things I'm not too sure about... If anyone doesn't like the SBS sources I've listed here or doesn't think certain ones are needed, remove them or change them or... Whatever.  Angel Emfrbl 09:03, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

"Minor Characters" and the Pirate Crews
I feel that the "Minor Characters" and the Pirate Crews articles should be changed up a bit. Since the "Cipher Pol" article, etc., include the members of their organization, I feel that each pirate crew should include the information on their crewmates that would normally be in the "Minor Characters" section. For example, the article on "Buggy's Band of Pirates" would take information on Mohji, Cabaji, and Alvida from the "Minor Characters", and place it in there instead. However, the captain's bios would remain seperate for now. Anyone agree? Sigmasonic X 16:13, 30 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Someone should give this Sigmasonic X a really large cookie. Thats a great idea (and makes better use of the pirate crew pages... Their lack of info has bugged me since the day I created them...).  And hopfully will help keep this page.
 * I have another suggestion... The Franky Family should have its own page too! Angel Emfrbl 16:44, 30 July 2006 (UTC)
 * I just thought up another reason to support this - if this page was deleted at least we still have some stuff from it saved somewhere! Angel Emfrbl 19:05, 30 July 2006 (UTC)

Well, I've tested the minor characters thing out. See for yourself. I personally think it looks great. Sigmasonic X 06:40, 31 July 2006 (UTC) Another thing, should the segments for Cabaji and such still be kept here, since all they do is redirect now? Sigmasonic X 07:53, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * I was just thinking about that when I did it for the Galley-La page. XD I think it'd probably be better to just delete 'em from here... Murasaki Seiko 09:51, 1 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Is there gonna be a Franky Family page too? Can't remember but we should set up one at some point.  Angel Emfrbl 19:24, 13 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, there should be one... I'd do it, but I'm kinda swamped with translations right now. XD But, yeah, if somebody feels like starting one, that's a good idea. If nobody does in the next week or so, though, I'll do it. ^_^ Murasaki Seiko 21:31, 14 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well I don't know if you have started or not, but I've set up the basis of it. Franky Family. It needs work, so far all I've done is set up the sections for it and transferred the information.  I leave the rest up to folks with better writing skills.  Next question: Should there be a 'Tom's Workers' page? Angel Emfrbl 19:19, 20 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Looks good so far, I'll probably work on that a section at a time in between my other stuff. ^_^ And I agree with Sigmasonic X about Tom's Workers... But I still feel they need mention other than just vague references... Dunno what to do about that, though... Murasaki Seiko 06:08, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

Nah, it would end up overlapping with both Galley-La and Franky Family. I think Kokoro, Chimney, Tom, and Yokozuna are fine under minor characters. By the way, I'm going to be working on an article for the Shandian characters.Sigmasonic X 22:02, 21 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Dam after all this the page is still too big... I can't think of anything we could to change that, except give a few of the minor characters that played a larger part then most their own page. Angel Emfrbl 15:52, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * How about... Alive and Dead... Lol. Sorry thats the best I could come up with.  XD Angel Emfrbl 15:56, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Well, a few we could do...
 * Banchi- Baroque Works. After all, he is their transport, right?
 * Baskerville- World Government. I dunno how the WG page is set up... but since he is working for them and all, maybe his section could be moved there.
 * Dalton- remove. He already has his own page... This just redirects.
 * Gan Fall- remove. Again, already has his own page.
 * Ironfist Fullbody- remove. He has a longer section on the marines page, just remove him from here entirely.
 * Kohza- Frankly, I'm surprised Kohza doesn't have his own page yet... I feel that he easily could have one...
 * Pearl- remove. He's on the Krieg pirates one already.
 * Past those, though... um... I don't think dead or alive would help too much... Neither would something like pirates or non-pirates... Hm... I'll see if I can think something up. Murasaki Seiko 21:45, 25 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay, I thought of something that might help... And I'm sure there's enough info and stuff. XD Pages for the major locations, like Arabasta, Skypiea, and Water 7. This'll remove lots of characters, and give more info and stuff. Here's what I've got so far. I'm still working, obviously, but I figured I'd just throw the idea out there. I think it'll really help and stuff. ^_^ So... how's that sound? Murasaki Seiko 07:00, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * We more or less have pages for most of those things on that page already - cities are in locations, animals in animals, its easier to find info the way they are... But its a really good try though, I'll say that, buts unfortuntly unneeded.  But hey, its better then what I came up with (dead and alive lol).  I'll try a few of the thing you suggested beforehand and we can see if that helps a bit, like moving Banchi and the ones working for the Gov.Angel Emfrbl 08:04, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Okay I moved Baskerville + Oimo and Kaashii to the WG page and Banchi to the Baroque Works page. Theres one step towards progress. I've been wondering - Grandpa should be on 'romance Dawn page', Jolly of the Crest moon should be there too... In fact they are, so they don't need to be here.  Also - Pandaman, Sam-San and  Minatomo-San are 'spot me' characters (just like 'Doskoi Panda is a spot me item').  should these be seperate since they aren't characters with a storyplot as such? Angel Emfrbl 08:19, 26 August 2006 (UTC)
 * Hm, sounds fine to me... but where? Murasaki Seiko 08:25, 26 August 2006 (UTC)

New Picture
Another Picture for Dragon is on this video at 1 min 10 sec http://youtube.com/watch?v=s3qrwxZns6Y


 * Aye, I know about this one... However its not a good enough picture to use here. Angel Emfrbl 08:18, 22 August 2006 (UTC)

For the benefit of Everyone
See the main One Piece discussion page for more details on this... But I'm gonna ask nicely can everyone reframe from posting the exciting and tempting news from Arlong Park and other forums on this page about Luffy's family before Wednesday/Thursday... Its against Arlong Park's rules and it could get members in trouble. Got it. Wait one day! Angel Emfrbl 21:52, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

Dragon is no longer a minor character!!
As of ch432, Dragon doesn't sound like a minor character anymore. He should get his own page or something.Kljs 18:56, 26 October 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed. He should have his own page.


 * Disagree. There still is not enough info on him dispite this... Angel Emfrbl 22:43, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * agreed the only other new information we've been given has lead to speculation of kaze kaze no mi or for you englishmen wind wind fruit but this is purley speculation and as such can not be on his info until proven —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jackjohnson15 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Currently with the merge debate on, its not wise to create pages until the current ones are safe from merging paws. :/ Angel Emfrbl (talk) 18:05, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * I agree with you angel and besides truly what do we know about monkey d. dragon not enough for his own page am i right angel?--Jackjohnson15 (talk) 19:51, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 * When he did have his own page, it had only aboout 2 paragraphs worth of input, but it had been really fluff out into 3 sections of the same repeat information. He hasn't done any major interaction with anyone yet on the show, only appeared and done minor things and had small tadbits said on him.


 * Also Wikipedia isn't keen on characters of shows owning their own pages as it is. We are struggling to meet demands from TTN with the ones we have. There is no characters development information, in fact as far I'm aware, Oda has never mentioned Dragon in any interview.  Angel Emfrbl (talk) 23:03, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Conis and Gan fall
Shouldn't Conis from Skypia arc have her own page because she played a big role in that arc, also i think that Gan fall should have one too.


 * Don't know when this was posted.


 * But the answer is this - Gan Fall DID once have a page to himself. However when you look at the info on him you find there isn't really much to be said about him.  The page was scrapped due to this and merged with this page.  Conis is the same as well as Dalton.  Even if they are a major character, if they have a serious lack of info they can't have a page.


 * But of me feels our Garp and Dragon pages (esp. Dragon) aren't worth having for this reason and I'd like them merge back, however that is another converstaion for another time. :/ Angel Emfrbl 21:23, 26 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures
I put this up on the Main Wikipedia One Piece page, but everyone is ignoring that page recently... So yeah...

Okay a page shouldn't really have more then half a dozen pictures on it. Every picture is uploaded under free usage acts and whatever the copywrite is on them. Basically, do we really need this many pictures at all? I'm gonna reduce it back down to a few important ones worth keeping but can we keep the pics down. This is a encylopedia, not a fansite. If anyone is intereasted enough in the characters they can look them up themselves. 30+ free images is a poor status

Some pages pictures are unavoidable... There is no way the Devil Fruit descriptions can fully describe what the DFs do so in that case, pictures of some nature are needed there. Plus we managed to work them into a decent and apparently acceptable layout. A description can't support a crew page on what its flag is like unless a picture is up. Same with Ships. Major character deserve 1-4 pictures on their pages (but no more). If this page gets pulled up on the pictures we're gonna have one hell of a job trying to save it. We've already experienced one or two losses in past months with great losses to our work here, lets not set off another great loss.

Can we consider all future picture uploads, some of these guys have less then 5 sentances of info on them. Angel Emfrbl 22:35, 22 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Okay its done... I was hoping it would bring the page size down also, but the reduced no. of pictures leaves it at 75 kilobytes still. It was 77 kilobytes long. It seems we now need to reduce this page down a bit to the reconmmended page size.  But thats another less important issue to discuss for another day.  Angel Emfrbl 22:42, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

Why not split the page into like a Grand Line page and an East Blue page(no clue if that would be enough) or a different combination that would work better? Nemu 22:57, 23 November 2006 (UTC)

And why did you remove a lot of pictures of characters that are way more important than the ones you left? Nemu 23:02, 23 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Some were temporary removals why I thought about this page, I'm trying to think up something that solve this pages size problem. You can put some of the more major characters back in if you want... But if they overlap onto other sections, its not worth it.  You don't see pictures for EVERY character, like for instance, on the Tenchi Muyou page.


 * Inccidently, splitting them into East Blue and Grand Line is probaberly the best approach for now. I just can't think up any ideas right now.  Angel Emfrbl 00:13, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Again I point out the sloppiness of pictures that overlap over onto other characters... Can we NOT just put up pictures for EVERY character! Only the important ones with 2 or 3 paragraphs worth of stuff about them.  Makino for instance has about 3 lines at most.


 * Lets get this sorted out quick - Either remove pictures or write more text. Angel Emfrbl 17:37, 24 November 2006 (UTC)


 * Oh, go ahead and remove some more pointless pictures. I just felt it would be easier to remove bad pictures than readd good ones. I just stopped because I don't have a solid chunk of time to use. Nemu 17:40, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Splitting up this page
I have seen this idea elsewhere on wikipedia:


 * Major Minor Characters
 * Secondary Minor characters

Well... Not using those names... I've fogotten the real names. Basically, characters would be split according to importance to role... Nojiko, Genzo, Gan Fell... They would go on one page... Gonbe, Su and others like them would be on another.

To seperate the two, you must consider how many lines they said... Episodes they were in. Roles they played. If they said two lines or appeared in only a few episodes... They would go on the Secondary minor characters page. If they were supporting characters over an entire arc and had much dialogue or played an important role, they are a major minor character.

Its the best I could come up with, thoughts anyone? Angel Emfrbl 21:40, 5 December 2006 (UTC)


 * A good idea, I think, would be to split he page in two, with characters from the first saga, East Blue Saga, in a page, suddivided by arc, with characters in appereance or alphabetical order, and the second with the characters of the Grand Line.

In this way, we are (almost) sure that the fitrst page will remain the same size, at least until decide to show us a little bit of this other characters, but they won't be anymore minor, I guess.

In the second page, also divided by saga, with characters in alphabetical or appearance order, the same reasoning.

I guess in the future we can have a page for the characters in the first half of GL, and a page with minor from the New World.

We have 21 characters from EB: Boodle camie carne chabo chou chou gaimon genzo higuma johnny and yosaku kaya Kuina Makino Mayor Woop Slap Merry Minatomo-San Nojiko Pandaman Patty Rika Usopp's Pirates Zeff Cuttyflam 13:27, 20 December 2006 (UTC)


 * When the next arc begins, and the new characters start coming in, we should start splitting. But for now, since we are not getting a horde of new characters to live with, its pretty much okay as it is. Angel Emfrbl 14:54, 20 December 2006 (UTC)

I think we should split most of them up in accordance with their residency (kinda like how the pirate crew pages are organized), eg: Baratie (Zeff, Patti, Carne), Drum Island (Dalton, Dr Kureha, Hiruluk), Alabasta (Cobra, Pell, Chaka, Igaram, Kohza, Kappa) & Water 7 (Kokoro, Chimney, Tom, Yokozuna)90.227.11.157 18:48, 8 February 2007 (UTC)


 * I've taken that into concideration already... We would end up with too many articles, most likely be forced into a merge or deletation. Best stick to the bare minium page creating for a while after the recent delete-spree we've suffered with the sagas pages. Angel Emfrbl 22:57, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

IP vandal watch
Everyone lookout for this IP adress:

66.168.104.139

He has HUGELY vandalise this page for the last two days in a row. I'm gonna report him, but seriously... We revert his/her edits... Why are we just doing that? There are vandals rules, can everyone please look them up. We can at least get some way to slow him down by reading them. Angel Emfrbl 07:42, 9 February 2007 (UTC)

Notability/List
Granted this is a throughly researched article, but is is really necessary? The very title notes that is about minor characters and a list. I don't really see where minor characters warrant an article devoted to them. Also the pure list format is awkward, especially with no lead-in paragraph or explanation of the game, or anything else. This is not intended as an attack, just fodder for discussion. Improbcat 19:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Firstly, its a anime series, not a game. But thats not important really.  This article is a supporting article (sub-article?) for all the other articles.  There are a lot of pages linking to them.  As for the ness., well as far as supporting the other pages, they are important.  While we don't need them, its one of those pages that explains bits and pieces from the others, it has uses.  I won't say much more then that, others are better at building arguments to keep pages then me.  Angel Emfrbl 19:26, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Igaram moved?
Should Igaram's section be moved to the Baroque Works article? Or should he have his own page? RedEyesMetal 18:10, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * No to own page and maybe to BWs... He does belong with them, but so does Vivi, except we have enough info for her to warrent her own page. Angel Emfrbl 23:18, 14 February 2007 (UTC)


 * Perhaps there should be a "Forces of Alabasta" or "Alabasta Royal Guard" page. It would encompass Pell, Chaka, Igaram, the Kicking Talon Brigade, and Cobra, and have a link to Vivi's article. --IT&#39;S A LION! (really) 19:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree with the "Alabasta" page, and I suggest an "Skypeia" one as well. Don't the "Shandian Tribe" have their own?

Absalom (SPOILERS)
Chapter 447 is out. I shall add Absalom to the list. --IT&#39;S A LION! (really) 19:24, 3 March 2007 (UTC)
 * Never mind. Somebody beat me to it. --IT&#39;S A LION! (really) 19:26, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Hogback
Shouldn't Hogback's section be changed to "Doktor" Hogback? It's what he has been referred to in all the translations. --IT&#39;S A LION! (really) 19:28, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Pictures... Again
Their creeping in and resulting once more in the uness. overload of picture. Once offers and very minors don't need pictures. Amazon, Chouchou and the mayor don't need pictures. They appeared in only a few chapters. Angel Emfrbl 23:23, 3 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Examples of people who need pictures: Conis (major play in Skypiea arc, appeared in many episodes), Kohza (major player in Alabasta arc, sigifcant role) and Zeff (big time pirate, big part of Sanji's history and major part played in Baratie Arc). Even still, when adding a picture chek the number we have already - right now we have about the needed amount.  We have room for a few more of the major ones, but otherwise anything else is uneeded.  Angel Emfrbl 23:30, 3 March 2007 (UTC)

Moved Characters
The Thriller Bark characters now have their own page: Thriller Bark

Ignore the speedy delete ref, this is a minor set back, the page was targetted too soon. I've written up the explaination of intentions on the talk page, which is required I'll say I'm starting to get shocked at Wikipedia now, but thats as far as I'll go on that note. Everyone edit as normal and we'll see how it goes. It should be alright if everyone just continues editing there. Also, can everyone go around and change all the links to that page. Angel Emfrbl 21:31, 29 March 2007 (UTC)

Brook
I think if we get a little bit more information on brooke it will be time to give him his "OWN PAGE!" Because his article is taking alot of space and is the biggest on on the page.--Ctstrawhat910 23:22, 29 March 2007 (UTC)


 * Yeah with only a two chapter appearance he doesn't warrent his own page. He had a page of his own, however the info was merged here for that reason. Angel Emfrbl 07:18, 30 March 2007 (UTC)


 * What a Wikipedian would say: He's only some minor unimportant character. What I say: He's probably going to be the next crew member. Pyrgus 07:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Well Ryuuma from Oda's series Wanted! has been brought back in One Piece as a Zombie on Thriller Bark. I think this would be a good time to add him here for now, and we should probably create an Article for Wanted! since it now appears to be related to the One Piece timeline somehow. Pyrgus 07:41, 31 March 2007 (UTC)


 * He is on the Thriller Bark page... There is no need to mention the Wanted! character unless Oda mentions it. I keep saying that to people - don't mention comparisons as they are just speculations, wait and see if Oda ever mentions it. Angel Emfrbl 07:58, 31 March 2007 (UTC)

Give him a page as a Strawhat "Companion" due to his current role in the manga.


 * How about we wait for the current arc to finish? I don't want to see another page like Dragon's where someone jumped the gun and created that page without thinking "hey maybe he doesn't need it?".  Angel Emfrbl 17:25, 14 May 2007 (UTC)

This has been bugging me for a while, but I feel like Brook's big puffy hair, top hat, and the fact that he's a musician reminds of Slash from Guns N' Roses. This might be used as a trivia bullet, but if nobody else sees it then you can ignore this. If you don't know what Slash looks like, search "Slash" and look for the musician. CP9Zebra 00:18, 19 May 2007 (UTC)

Why was Brooke's artticle so heavily condensed?Master Shan 22:58, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * A section doesn't need every minor thing he does. It is to be used as a general description, not a summary. TTN 22:59, 24 May 2007 (UTC)


 * That does'nt mean it should'nt address his involvement in the current arc. His past history in TB...and its current relavence to the protangonist. Master Shan 04:38, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Well you didn't quite listen to TTN there... We don't need to go into great detail, and there is much absent from his past. We'll reconsider it WHEN the arc is over.  By then the clear place in OP Brook holds will be obivous. Angel Emfrbl 20:39, 26 May 2007 (UTC)


 * I listened, we just seem to disagree over the definition of "minor". Master Shan 04:30, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

It seems obvious that he'll be a member of the straw hats, so once that happens, he'll get his own page.Pikazilla 01:04, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Pandaman's Image
Its been awhile since I checked this article out but I noticed that Pandaman's image was changed. Does anybody have the one that was there before that was taken from the anime? I think it was a better image than the current one. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Gune (talk • contribs) 06:51, 15 May 2007 (UTC).


 * Someone keeps changing it... Its beginning to annoy me. To top it off, that one they replace it with is coloured in.  The orginal black and white version is on the Wikia.  You can see the sloppy colouring someone has done.  Angel Emfrbl 07:55, 15 May 2007 (UTC)


 * Slightly ticked off because the image got deleted thanks our not-so-helpful image changer. Its reup loaded, keep reverting back to it if this guy reverts.  Seriously, that sloppy image I also notice is cut out, you can see the poor edging where he was taken from another image.  Angel Emfrbl 12:45, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Replace it with the B&w one, then. Pics should be from the manga, not anime screencaps.


 * The manga isn't very clear. And I'm trying to avoid massiv long images like that one also, keeping this as a quick guide.  Look over the page, that image stands out from the rest.  Angel Emfrbl 19:24, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
 * Again, you speak as if you own this wiki...


 * I'm a regulaur editor on the One Piece wikipedia. I don't own the wiki... I'm just stating whats been happening for months.  I didn't decide some of the decisions.  And lets be honest, how does one poorly drawn, cut-edge image done by a fan compete with an image from proffessionals to do with the series.  Strickly speaking, B+W is good enough, the colour is just so people can tell who he is.  By all rights he doesn't need an image, but without it, how do you explain more about him? Don't presume I'm trying to own the wikipedia, its just some images are just not that great and others do the job better.  Angel Emfrbl 19:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

Thanks. That image is MUCH better than the last one. Gune 01:48, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

New information from chapter 459
Apparently, Laboon the whale was left behind by Brook's pirate crew, who were massacred before they could fulfill their promise to return. As the sole survivor of the crew, Brook wants to return and tell Laboon about their fates. Apparently, the "ran away" thing may have been just a report. Since he's been reduced to a skeleton, he now protects his afro so that Laboon will be able to recognize them. Luffy seems even more determined than ever to put Brook on the crew.--LightWarden 00:43, 9 June 2007 (UTC)

Editing Dragon
First off, I added Dragon's picture to his section. Second, the part where it said he is the farther of Mnokey D. Luffy and the son of Garp, I added Ace, because it has not yet been proven that Dragon isn't Ace's farther, it's only fan-theory at this point.


 * On the contray, the supplement "Grand Line Times" did note the difference in surnames... Oh its on Ace's page! :P


 * So anyway... The idea Ace could not be Dragon's son is *not* a fan theory. Its actually a legit possiblitiy.  Does Garp say Ace is his G.son?  No.  He simply says that he left Luffy with someone to train.  If Garp said Ace was his g.son, then we could've added him there.  No say = no go.  Angel Emfrbl 22:32, 30 June 2007 (UTC)


 * Has it ever directly been said that Ace is not Garp's grandson or Dragon's son? I don't really think so. Unless it is directly stated, it is still just assumption and fan-theory. And that "person to train" could be Ace for all we know. Unless it is directly stated in the manga that Ace is not descended from Dragon, then it is still fan theory until stated. Or unless Oda says otherwise.


 * Seriously... Don't you read what you say? Your telling me and giving me a reason for including the details about he is Dragon's son, but at the same time your supplying no proof on the relationship.  With no evidence supporting a possiblitiy, and one source (Grand Line Times) against you, your expla won't get things anywhere.  Presuming a relationship on no evidence is as much speculation as the latter argument about there is no relationship.  All we know is Ace is Luffy's bro, he has a different surname and that G.L.Times (released in the offical Shonen Jumpo mag. as a supplement for a missing chapter one week) pointed it out.  You can't add they are related while the relationship is up in the air.  Angel Emfrbl 19:06, 2 July 2007 (UTC)

Nefertari Cobra very important info
I would just like to point out a very important schene towards the end of the alabasta arc, where the king wearing only his towel is bowing to the pirates saying the following "power is something worn over clothing and there is no such thing as a naked king" with Oda possibly teaching us one of the most important lessons in life, a lesson that some may disagree with, some may never have learned and others may have forgotten. Nefertari Cobra is the example of the righteous king who despite his position has managed not to become arrogant and I think that this should be pointed out in his profile.

In fact I am either reading too much between the lines, or there should be a paragraph on the main one piece page concerning what the series is teaching in a stealthy manner of course because I keep finding some valuable lessons (apart from the "keep training in order to become better" lesson that many shounen anime share) like Wiper's repetition of "history" with his phrase "they are good people" or the Water 7 climax with Oda debating ethics (and that one took me a while to realise). Again it may just be me, but if other people have similar views...

anyway, it is just an idea. Thanks for reading.


 * Note: Wikipedia is not a forum!  Please do not post this kind of thing please.  I'm telling you for the sake of saving you get in trouble at a later date.   I suggest you look up: Arlong Park forum. Angel Emfrbl 20:27, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Well I could have made the addition myself but is it possible to pinpoint the exact problem with the above post? If it is the second paragraph I can remove it immediately (as long as I understand where the problem is)


 * How do I explain this?


 * Okay a lot of this is speculation, which isn't allowed on wikipedia, part of it is discussion (your asking if anyone has similair views) worthy of a forum not wikipedia. Best I can say.  Inccidently... If you really want a few links to forums to discuss ideas in rather then here, I would more then be happy to supply a few.  Its rather difficult to explain to people what can't and can go on wikipedia sometimes.  But if its validation of information, layout or how the information is being handled, that is welcomed on wikipedia.  Speculations, discussions on the subject, not the page will ultimately be removed.


 * BTW, can you please put ~ at the end of your posts, some here on wikipedia consider it a little rude. Angel Emfrbl 21:40, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

Ok one thing at a time. The reason this topic was raised was because in my opinion, the lines said by the king of arabasta, are not only meaningful with Oda tying to send some messages across (ok you can call that speculation) but those lines are a defining aspect of the characters personality hence my request to include this incident on the page. Now the second paragraph can be considered speculation I guess but I did not ask for anyone's opinion. My point is that some of those messages are clear cut so IF other people share the same views, somebody can put this up. I understand that without citations information can be freely removed from wikipedia, so does this mean that such information can only be included here only if there is an official responce by the creator of One Piece concerning those matters? Ok I understand that the boundaries of observation and speculation are not always clear but I am working on it, so thanks for helping me out. ~


 * You got signing wrong... Don't include the "no wiki" bit, just the four "~" signs together. Its okay though, your allowed to make such errors. Everyone does when they first come here!  ^-^


 * Yeah speculation and obeservations are somewhat touchy subject. Speculations are not allowed, yet observations are sometimes not allowed.  I'll explain; its because they are based on "own research" (a option even I hate about wikipedia, but deal with).  See the The Will of D page, thats observations and therefore is arguable whether its allowed.  On the otherhand, that page acts as a catch page (same with bountys) for the dozens upon dozens of rumours and speculations and in the long-run saves time and effort.  (Its difficult to explain that to mods!).


 * Whatever the case... We can't discuss these things here. If Oda states thats what his intention was, then we can inlcude all that.  Its like saying Brook is based on Jack Skeleton, it may be true but Oda never confirmed it and despite what others think, there are lots of examples of tall thin skeletons around.  Some issues are undeniably linked to certain places, but other ideas such as yours are not confirmed. Angel Emfrbl 11:48, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

Image Overuse
Ummm, you have a bit too many images here. I suggest we should cut the number down, before *blank* comes here and goes "No Images! My Word Is Law, fanboys and fangirls!!!!!". We should only include pics to those who are still playing important roles in the series (Dragon and Brook, for example). I just came here to warn you beforehand, it'll be up to you to decide the number. I suggest less than 8, as he'll be likely to come here should you have more than that. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 15:32, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree as always. We were alright, but suddenly we've aquired more.  Also the news ones, heaven forbid, don't have that vital "freeuse" bit on their details.  *gasp* after the piccy removal guys came round only a few weeks ago you'd think pppl would know better! Angel Emfrbl 20:07, 2 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I just removed a few, for the backround joke characters (like Pandaman) and the completely useless characters. I also suggest the following:


 * Grey Area(Keep if no reason to get rid of is presented):
 * Laboon
 * Nefertari Cobra
 * Nico Olivia
 * Tom
 * Zeff


 * Greay Area(Rid if no good keep reason is presented):
 * Dorry and Broggy
 * Gaimon
 * Pell


 * Definite Rid:
 * Chimney
 * Kohza
 * Kokoro
 * Nojiko
 * Yokozuna


 * I suggest Brook and Dragon get their images back, as Dragon will have importance later, thus becoming a keep, and Brook might become a Straw Hat, so having an image at the read would be useful. Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 20:43, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Keep the background characters because no one will know who the heck wikipedia is talkign about. Yeah I can agree with the rest.  We shouldn't have more the 8 pictures on this page really.  Angel Emfrbl 22:09, 5 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Well, my eight would be Dragon, Brook, Nico Olvia, Laboon, Nefertari Cobra, Tom, Zeff, and Dorry and Broggy, and if Brook becomes a Straw Hat, Pell. For reasons, Dragon is the only one listed here who is confirmed to have future importance; Brook will become a Straw Hat soon and we should have on at-the-ready; Nico Olvia is Robin's mother; Laboon is a whale and a VERY important character; Cobra rules a nation and is Vivi's father; Tom is important to Franky, Roger, and others; Zeff to Sanji; Dorry and Broggy because they just seem more important than Chimney or Nojiko, and Pell for being major in the Alabasta arc and his past with Vivi. What about you? Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 15:46, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * I have none I prefer over others. I try not to use images or think about them much on wikipedia due to their "iffy" state here.  But I'll agree with everything you said, it sounds about right anyway.  Unless someone argues otherwise, go ahead.  I'll keep an eye out for new images added afterwards and keep things in check in case we have a repeat of this.  Make sure all 8 images have that important copyright thingy on them - lets not open a hole for another person to steal some valuable pages aids. Angel Emfrbl 22:03, 8 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ummm..... sorry to disappoint you, but my knowledge with images is extremely limited. Just about all I can do is copy and paste them onto Microsoft Word. Hah hah.... ;_; Artist Formerly Known As Whocares 17:43, 9 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ah...I see... Will when you upload select the suitable copyright input thingy and I'll add the freeuse thingy tomorrow. I don't normally bother with images... But if we can get 8 etsablished for stay I'll gladly see they are stuck with.  Angel Emfrbl 21:38, 9 September 2007 (UTC)
 * should I add a picture of Brook? No one else has.--71.248.163.215 17:10, 20 October 2007 (UTC)
 * There was an image, now there isn't. There is your answer (no). 82.34.192.189 18:52, 20 October 2007 (UTC)

Why would a page have too many pictures?Pikazilla 01:05, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

i agree entirely, if anyone Brook and Dragon should have pictures, and everyone one else youve said is justified Dragon, Brook, Nico Olvia, Laboon, Nefertari Cobra, Tom, Zeff, and Dorry and Broggy, i agree with having pictures for them, because there the majior of the minor characters 24.90.72.218 (talk) 03:21, 22 December 2007 (UTC)

Brook regaining his page
This will happen if and when he says "I'll join"... Be patient everyone, he doesn't warrent a page until he is a main character. Give it a few more weeks and he'll likely warrent one. Then all that will be left is an argument over who gets the the honor of creating his page. ;) Angel Emfrbl (talk) 17:48, 23 January 2008 (UTC)


 * Note: Also if and when he earns his right to his own page, please can we make sure we transfer the info to page: Brook (One Piece) not Brooke (One Piece) as this is the incorrect spelling of the name (as well as being the GIRLS verison of his name anyhow). This has already been confirmed from various sources to be the correct spelling. Angel Emfrbl (talk) 22:26, 27 January 2008 (UTC)


 * If he doesn't qualify for his own page, but he becomes a Straw hat, he should be moved to the Straw hats' page. And can you send me a link to where Brook's name is shown, so we can put in in the page to end the argument? (Justyn (talk) 00:21, 16 February 2008 (UTC))


 * Seriously... You haven't seen it yet? ^_-'


 * Thats I didn't want to hear. Its been splashed across the forums here and there since its now appeared on merchandise and scans, but its gonna be a pill to find even then (like a God's name spelling, there is actually an offical for that too). You'll have to trust me here while I track it down (hey its past 1:00pm in the morning where I am and I've 5 mins from bed), tracking down proof of names has never been that easy. I'll post it tomorrow (when I find it).  :/ Angel Emfrbl (talk) 01:07, 16 February 2008 (UTC)

Rayleigh
It makes no sense why he wasn't on the page before. I added him in. Edit it to your content. Gune (talk) 22:04, 23 May 2008 (UTC)

The Eleven Supernovas
Do they deserve to get their own page (the descriptions from this page will then be moved)? I know their characters hasn't been shown so deeply yet and we don't know if they'll play a role in future arcs - or merely will be serving as simple fodder in the Sabaody arc. But then I saw that a small organization like the Rosy Life Riders has their own page, and they've been in the story in like, 13 chapters, and has no major, named characters except Duval and hasn't triggered the big events except helping the Straw Hats coming to the auction house fastly. But they'll clearly only be supporting on the Sabaody Archipelago, while a few of the Supernovas (Kidd, Law etc.) has shown signs on being rivals in the New World. Shall we move them? What do you guys think? 62.243.94.180 (talk) 22:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)