Talk:List of minor characters in the Ash Crimson Saga

Character moving
I'd have to disagree with moving all these characters, which had stand-alone articles and a fairly major part in the plot of the games (Adelheid was an entire side-plot, at least, and Malin was the basis for the Teen Girl team in 2003)

Digital Watches 06:31, 3 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean. However, its better for the momment as almost all these characters are stubs and lack sufficent elaboration. Until someone is willing to evicerate their laziness and actually fleash each character out, they will remain in list format. Its about high-time someone desisted adding trivia and actually wrote about the character. -ZeroTalk 06:38, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

Duck shouldn't be here - it'd be reasonable if he'd been introduced to the SNK universe in KoF2003 or later, but he' been around since the very first Fatal Fury - didn't the person who moved him know that?... As a side-note, Adelheid also seems a bit more reuseable in future SNK games beyond this particular KoF saga, being Rugal Bernstein's kid, but having more "good guy" potential than his old man... Loona 00:54, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * Expand the articles, and they'll be moved back out to namespace. -ZeroTalk 17:22, 3 March 2006 (UTC)

This page is an experiment, as part of possibly boiling down and merging fighting game character articles, starting with what is probably the most prolific and story-heavy of the fighting game franchises, King of Fighters. There's no doubt that at least some of the KoF stubs need to be merged; take, for example, Heavy D!, Seth, Gato, or Hinako. Clearly, these characters cannot and probably never will be able to support a proper article on their own, and many of the more-important minor characters have articles bloated with redundant plot summary (for example, the NESTS saga has to be summarized - if you can call it that - at least a half-dozen times throughout the various character articles).

The problem is, nobody has a good idea for structuring the lists yet. (This list is a prototype.) There's the start of a discussion at User talk:Megaman Zero/List of characters from King of Fighters proposal; I wasn't aware many users besides MMZ were interested. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 05:28, 5 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I think this list will do fine. Concerning other users being interested, I have no idea what you're talking about. If they were truly interested they would stop complaining about moving articles and actually write them. -ZeroTalk 10:54, 5 March 2006 (UTC)

If you're so bent on doing this, why not at least split things properly? There could be a similar article for minor Fatal Fury characters where Duck King would be much better off along with a few others from the sam series (the likes of Tung Fu Rue or Raiden/Big Bear come to mind, as does Gato, who being originally from Garou:MotW, is technically a Fatal Fury character as well), and keep this for King of Fighters-only characters. Loona 00:54, 8 March 2006 (UTC)


 * I'm not pacticularly keen on keeping the characters here, really. Think of this list as an "holding area", for these articles that lack an large amount of information. Since the Fatal Fury and King of Fighters series are not directly intertwined, it can be aceptable to place Duck King in this list. Art of Fighting is dead, I'm afraid. -ZeroTalk 04:42, 8 March 2006 (UTC)

Let's argue about the merge
Let's argue about whether to merge characters here, instead of reverting back and forth.

Nothing in the world, fictional or non-fictional, deserves an encyclopedia article. There are merely subjects which can sustain a full encyclopedia article and those which cannot. Many, many KOF characters (and other characters) are the latter, and WP:FICT counsels that these characters should be merged into a list. This actually benefits fans of the series, as they don't have to go running all over the Wiki to read a dozen articles to get the backstory of all the characters of a given game.

Before pointing to another fighting game series (say, MK or SF) and their profusion of character articles, look instead at Pokémon and Final Fantasy (where Wikiprojects are hard at work merging minor characters into list). I started with KOF instead of MK or SF because I know a bit about KOF and Zero was knowledgeable and willing to help.

Now, if someone wants to write a proper article (not an unexpandable stub or a stub's worth of encyclopedic information combined with a bunch of unencyclopedic trivia) for Duck King or Heavy D! or Hinako or another equally minor character, I will concede that I'm wrong. Somehow, I don't think I'll be proven wrong. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:23, 12 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Ugh. There's a reason for the stub tag. We could just as easily tag an article as a stub to draw attention to it and make sure it's expanded instead of doing this ridiculous revert war and this waste-of-time listing format. The fact of the matter is, the only reason to create a list is if there's a small amount of information on a character to be had, which is not the case with any of the characters listed here. Make a stub tag, don't put the characters in lists. I mean, just look at any of the articles on Street Fighter 3 characters. There's next to no information on them other than what's in the endings of games, and they've been made into perfectly viable articles. Digital Watches 06:51, 17 March 2006 (UTC)
 * The reason the stub tag exists is to call attention to articles that need expansion. Articles that cannot reasonably be expanded should be merged into larger topics or lists.
 * Most of those articles need to be weeded for speculation/OR/other cruft, and merged as well, for the same reason. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 04:49, 18 March 2006 (UTC)
 * Agree per Man In Black. That's why this list is sucifficent, there's no one willing to expand these articles. I am quite knowledgeable in regards to KOF, but I've had only a passing glance at 2003 and XI; I can't do this all by myself. If someone expands them, they'll moved back out to mainspace. -ZeroTalk 05:39, 12 March 2006 (UTC)


 * For whatever my opinion is worth, I strongly dislike the consolidated character list. As someone who had watchlisted several of the individual articles for reference purposes, I find the compiled version more difficult to sort through and pick out the bits of information I want (also it's plain old uglier). So, as both an editor and a user, I'd prefer these articles be separated back into smaller articles for the individual characaters. Thank you, CNichols 22:12, 2 June 2006 (UTC)
 * Write two pages of sourced prose that doesn't degenerate into lists of trivia or point-by-point plot summary and I'll demerge them myself. Until then, they don't merit individual articles because of the lack of info. - A Man In Bl♟ck (conspire | past ops) 18:46, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * I originally came to argue against the merged list, but after reading the article and the opinions conveyed here, I changed my mind. In the event that a character's story expands (an expanded storyline relies on the amount of information in their story, not their importance), perhaps some of these characters can be placed in their own articles again. The S 03:05, 26 June 2006 (UTC)

New List
I've forgotten about it for quite a bit now, but I'm going to proceed to merge the Maximum Impact characters in to a list. They're all nothing but short, inelaborate phragraphs, so I'll move them to List of King of Fighters: Maximum Impact characters. -ZeroTalk 16:33, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

The average wikipedian isn't going to understand a word of this.
Quote from Bonne Jenet's trivia section:

(…) it becomes a counter/reversal LDM. Alterantively, she can Dream Cancel into her LDM from one of her DMs.


 * Then remove it. A tip for you: Be bold. If you precieve something amiss with a writing style in a article, chances are your findings of fact on the subject are correct. -ZeroTalk 21:53, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

Moving
It seems that Magaki and Mukai have enough information to merit their own pages (Mukai especially). Should this be done?

Finally getting around to this.
Alright, so since this list is a testament to the sloppiness of individual character articles on wikipedia (read: thorn in my side), I'm going to start expanding these character articles and moving ones that seem large enough to their own articles. I've already beefed up Bonne Jenet's bio and given her her own article, and I'm trying to do the same with Adelheid. I would appreciate help, if anyone is willing and able to, but I intend to get this done, whether aided or on my own. Of course, not all the characters will have sufficient info (At least until KoF XII) to have their own articles, but in a few cases, I think a little fleshing out is warranted. -- Digital Watches 11:04, 2 August 2006 (UTC)

And only rests Momoko...
... since the rest of characters in this list have their own article. Can someone make an article for her? Basara-kun 05:57, 28 March 2007 (UTC)