Talk:List of missing ships

Missing ship vs. Missing wreck
It would be nice to mark out "missing wrecks" among the list of "missing ships". When the list has grown to considerable size it would be possible to split the list into two articles. --Kvasir (talk) 08:08, 29 March 2008 (UTC)

Citation
In light of user:Otolemur crassicaudatus over zealous citation tagging -- sometimes tagging BOTH the section and the only entry in the section -- I have brought the issue to the following discussion: Wikipedia_talk:When_to_cite. Seems like the concensus is that entries collected from Category:Disappeared ships and others (I also found other similar categories such as Category:Missing submarines of WWII and Category:Missing U-boats) implies that the ship is missing and therefore does not require repeat citation. I have also checked all the articles in the categories to confirm they are in fact missing. I have found some ships in those categories were actually ghost ships. Any additional entries and infomation not in those categories and the ship article itself will need citation. --Kvasir (talk) 20:34, 30 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Any idea on how to shorten the citation section? In light of citation police out here this section will be as long as the article itself, since 95% of all entry has a corresponding citation. --Kvasir (talk) 06:01, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * It is not a fact if there are sources in other articles or not. The fact is that sources should be provided in this article. It is very much necessary to provide source for each and every fact to promote this article to Featured List status. Without citation, the list cannot be promoted to Featured List status.  Otolemur crassicaudatus  (talk) 15:42, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This list is only a few days old, and continually growing. It's nowhere near Featured List anytime soon nor is it trying to seek the status since this list will never been complete (we can never account for all ships that have ever gone missing). --Kvasir (talk) 17:37, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Australia
A great source for Australian shipwrecks can be found at http://oceans1.customer.netspace.net.au/easw.html. I have just finished adding entries from Tasmania. I basically search the word "never" as in "never heard from" or "never seen again" and add the entries. I have skipped "unidentified" ships that the names have not been reported or they were not registered. I don't think they are important anyway. Next would be wikify all the entries.

Feel free to contribute by adding the rest of the region. I'm not sure if it's meaningful to divide Australia into states, but it looks like there are going to be a lot of entries for Australia. --Kvasir (talk) 00:14, 5 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Australia to-do list: NSW, QLD, S AUS, VIC, W AUS, Australia Run, General, International, New zealand, South pacific. --Kvasir (talk) 05:04, 24 April 2008 (UTC)

Tables
I have now started to incorporate sortable collapsible tables which would improve the look of the article. Please use existing tables as template for new entries and continue using the same format for entries that haven't been incorporated yet. --Kvasir (talk) 22:41, 22 April 2008 (UTC)

Nova Scotia
Nice database available here to add new entries: http://museum.gov.ns.ca/mma/wrecks/wrecks/Results.asp?Search=unknown&fieldSelect=locWreck&Start=1 --Kvasir (talk) 22:53, 22 April 2008 (UTC)
 * 147(!) records for ships that were registered in NS. Need to cut this some how.

Vessel Name Date of Wreck  Event  Location of Wreck

Marion
This entry was in the List of shipwrecks, however I wasn't able to find a source saying that it's a real event. All I found was that it seems to be a Newfoundlander folk song "Loss of the Marion". Anyone know if an actual ship Marion disappeared? --Kvasir (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

Source needed
The following entries require source. They were mostly moved from List of shipwrecks. --Kvasir (talk) 19:45, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

North America

 * F.H. Prince - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck)
 * Quito - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck)
 * Saint Lawrence - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck)
 * Saint Louis - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck)
 * Toledo - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck)
 * Tioga - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck)
 * Wend the Wave - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck)
 * Wesee - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck)
 * William H. Stevens - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck)
 * Zadock Pratt - somewhere in Great Lakes (missing wreck)


 * Early Riser - 1876
 * HMS Pallas - 1783 - ran aground at St. George's Island, wreck not positively identified
 * San Pedro - 1596 - Spanish nao wreck not positively identified
 * Santa Ana - 1605 - Spanish nao wreck not positively identified
 * Unidentified wreck - around 1750 - known as the "Frenchman" wreck
 * Unidentified wreck - around mid-18th century - known as the "Manilla" wreck
 * Unidentified wreck - 1849 - believed to be the Minerva though that ship was wrecked in 1795

Island Queen
I just removed "Island Queen" from List of people who have disappeared. Maybe it belongs here. 58.8.5.244 (talk) 16:44, 1 May 2008 (UTC)
 * "On 6 August 1944, a ship named the Island Queen vanished completely from Grenada. A second ship, the Providence Mark, which made the same journey on the same night arrived safely with no hint of trouble. Not a trace of the Island Queen or the people on board was ever found."
 * Thankyou. I'll add it once a reference is found. --Kvasir (talk) 19:49, 6 May 2008 (UTC)

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General Grant
Where should the General Grant (ship) lost in the Auckland Islands go - New Zealand or Auckland Islands or Southern Ocean or ?? I think there is annother book out about her (and the gold!) this year. Hugo999 (talk) 07:24, 18 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you for this entry. I've added it under Oceania - New Zealand. If it's off the Auckland Island it's definitely is in NZ territorial waters. --Kvasir (talk) 16:59, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

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Missing wrecks to be added
IJN Shinano IJN Soryuu was sunk and has an approximate location https://geohack.toolforge.org/geohack.php?pagename=Japanese_aircraft_carrier_S%C5%8Dry%C5%AB&params=30_38_N_179_13_W_ IJN Hiryuu is also missing but confirmed sank

not sure how to add these myself but I think Shinano at least deserves to be added 108.26.140.126 (talk) 12:36, 27 January 2024 (UTC)

SS Pacific
The ship was descoverd in 2023 2600:1700:D770:B580:44B0:1934:39DD:836A (talk) 21:35, 12 April 2024 (UTC)

French submarine Eurydice (S644)
The sub was found the same year it was lost. 2600:1700:D770:B580:44B0:1934:39DD:836A (talk) 21:36, 12 April 2024 (UTC)