Talk:List of modern great powers

Qing Dynasty 1815
Was Qing not a great power in 1815 ?

The opium wars didn't start until 1820, Qing China was the largest economy in the world in 1820 (so it probably was in 1815 as well) with over 30% of the world GDP (http://www.ggdc.net/maddison/other_books/appendix_B.pdf); the largest in terms of population (http://www.ggdc.net/maddison/other_books/appendix_B.pdf); and probably the second largest country in terms of area after the Russian empire. Angele201002 (talk) 19:13, 6 January 2021 (UTC)

It is there....... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 47.196.182.116 (talk) 14:44, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

A dozen edits by editor indeffed for falsifying sources
Please note that has  from 4-5 May 2022 that may be suspect. This editor has been indefinitely blocked for falsifying sources. If regulars here could investigate, and remove anything that isn't properly sourced, that would be great. (Note: I've spent too much time tracking down the problem, writing it up at their UTP and WP:ANI, and adjusting numerous articles to be able to help here, so I hope you can help out.) Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 14:38, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Should the European Union be added as a major great power?
Several scholars have referred to the European Union as a great power in its own right in recent years. Is the European Union considered a great power? It is not a sovereign state but it seems to qualify most of the requirements for a great power. The EU generated a nominal gross domestic product (GDP) of around US$17.1 trillion in 2021. It also has significant political influence as it has representatives in the G7 and G20. Besides, it has been described as an emerging superpower by many scholars. Should we add the European Union to the list? --Studious Human (talk) 17:38, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

Post Cold War era great powers - Canada

 * According to the IMF, in 2022, Canada has a larger GDP than Italy (which is mentioned in that section).
 * Canada has a much larger area than Italy.
 * Canada has a higher HDI than Italy.
 * Canada is also a G7 member like Italy. Grillofrances (talk) 20:50, 19 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Canada is not listed here because:
 * Canada has not been referenced to by any scholars as a great power
 * Canada's role on the international stage makes it more of a middle power
 * Landmass is not a factor to whether a country will be powerful
 * Canada lacks the cultural soft power of Italy (Italian cuisine is influential in many parts of the world)
 * Studious Human (talk) 20:02, 28 August 2022 (UTC)

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*Important Announcement* Please do not add footnotes which do not have link to sources and/or citations to this page, as it makes the page unreadable and will affect the overall quality of the page. Thank you. --Studious Human(talk) 04:16, 9 September 2022 (UTC)

Should protect this page - someone literally put Afghanistan as a modern great power
Someone seriously needs to like protect this page, this morning I was looking through it and saw this paragraph on the page:

"Afghanistan is a country in Central Asia that is almost impossible to invade. While many say that it i impossible to invade because it is a landlocked countrv. has hiah mountains, and the onlv wav to at into the countrv is bv air. I aaree with that but it's more than that. Afahanistan a diverse countrv due to different culture livina there. Afahanistan people art special and unlike an other nations. Atahanistan people are loval people and thev are loval to their tribes and families and especiallv Pashtuns as well as other aroup. thev will do anvthina to detend their familv if at treat as well as their countr Afghanistan is not only impossible to invade due to geographical location but it's also impossible to invade because it has people in it that are willing to give up their lives tor their country and are willing die to defend their country. So theretore, it thest attributes and specialities make Afahanistan the most powerful militarv power in the world not because of it's militarv and the number of fiahters thev have but because thev use strateav to defend their countr"

yeah no that cant stay 72.137.44.173 (talk) 04:02, 13 December 2022 (UTC)


 * I agree. This page has been the subject of vandalism due to its very "interesting" nature. Studious Human (talk) 00:26, 31 December 2022 (UTC)

Removal of Mughal Empire
let's start with the Maddison economic report. Pretty much every modern historian and economist seems to agree that this report is not reliable.Its very much focused on the agricultural part and completely ignores the various parts of the world. There are too many gross simplification and inaccurate assumption there. Not only it is inconsistent with the trade volume but it inherently ignores the external factors which is required to calculate the GDP. Also population numbers given in the report is completely wrong. Check the demographics of india page. Morgan Stanley in his book deindustrialization completely discards the report. Even tucker doesn't seems to believe it. Secondly, if we were to believe the report is tight, there are still many problems. First it claims Mughal Empire GDP in 1600 was 22%. But if we were to look at graph it claims india GDP was 22% not Mughals. It comprises of Deccan, south india, Afghanistan (Kandahar) and north east india. Mughals barely controlled half of india to claim whole subcontinent GDP. And the interesting thing is when you look at GDP transition of india, it's been a complete decline in 1600, even china surpassed it for the 1st time in history.

2. The claims of the treasury of Aurangzeb comes from random journal which doesn't provides any authentic source. 3. Military and technologically wise they were very backwards pretty much all of their modern weapons, cannons were imported from the western countries. The only major war they won against a outsider was against east india company ( which they outnumbered them by some 500x and with the help of french ships and east Africans ). Every war with safavids, they were on the losing sides( who themselves are not listed here and were importing weapons from the dutch). So yeah there are many problems with the reports of GDP of mughals and addition of them here. There are more as well but it's already too big of a paragraph. These problems exist in the original mughal page as well but it is locked. 103.81.213.206 (talk) 04:46, 18 May 2023 (UTC)


 * !. I removed the 1600 GDP estimate as it was unsourced, however, I kept the 1700 estimate since it was supported by Broadberry and Gupta as well. Furthermore, The GDP, in terms of percentage and number world increased during the Mughal Era between 1600 to 1700 such that it became the largest economy in the world. China and India both had varying gdp throughout history based on their population.
 * 2. The information about Aurangzeb is based on reliable secondary sources mostly used on Wikipedia.
 * 3. All of this is either unsourced or not relevant to the mughal empire being listed as a modern world power. SKAG123 (talk) 00:54, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

French Colonial Empires
It seems strange to me to add a map that shows France having the lands of the Dutch East Indies as a colony. While technically it was under French rule during the Napoleonic Wars, there should either be a comment explaining this or use a new map altogether. Joshua D. Muthi (talk) 14:45, 6 February 2024 (UTC)