Talk:List of multinational festivals and holidays

Orthodox Christmas is not January 6th
Orthodox Christmas is not January 6th. In Russia they celebrate Christmas on January 7th but that is only because December 25th in the Julian Calendar, the calendar the Russians and some other Orthodox use for religious purposes, falls on January 7th. But Orthodox Christmas is the 25th of December on both the Julian and Gregorian calendars. If you use the Julian calendar however Christmas will fall on the 7th of January on the Gregorian calendar as I already said. The Orthodox Church does not have a seperate Christmas from the 25th of December.did you know christmas is the day Jesus was born and died

POV
Apart from the spelling mistake in the title, I think this is a hopelessly POV page. -- Tarquin 15:28, 7 Dec 2003 (UTC)

I think this page might be better served by being called, for example, "Festivals that occur near the Winter Solstice" or something of the sort. Christmas itself would then be included. - Montr&eacute;alais 17:55, 17 Dec 2003 (UTC)


 * So I moved it. Montr&eacute;alais
 * What's it for? Some of those Christian holidays (circumcision) are not "winter festivals" per se, though they occur during the winter. Evertype 13:54, 2004 Dec 24 (UTC)
 * For a user's POV in the POV discussion, I landed to this page after scouring the English wikipedia for "I have a colleague who follows religion X in (non-western) country Y, please give me an idea of whether there is something appropriate I can wish them (including if they even have 'holidays' at this time of year)". This service is not provided by Christmas worldwide as it describes how big an event the thing called Christmas is in a given country for a subset of them. Christmas and holiday season barely gets out of North America in its analysis (but links to this page in "see also", at least), and Christmas controversy discusses the history of gripes only, with a big box on the bottom on how Christmas specifically is celebrated. I found this article to be incomplete but still partially useful for my purpose, and compared to the others I dug through it seems the most appropriate location for the information as well. Sini Ruohomaa (talk) 11:42, 22 December 2011 (UTC)

Yule is not a celtic festival?
It's not a Celtic word, anyway. It's Germanic. Evertype 13:53, 2004 Dec 24 (UTC)

Non-Winter Non-Festival Holidays?
So why are All Saints Day (December 1) and St. Nicholas' Day (December 6) listed here when they are only nominally holidays, rather than celebrated with festivals, and they occur in the Fall? Winter starts on or about December 21 each year. You might as well list Saint Swithin's Day (July 15). 71.254.253.7 (talk) 00:53, 25 December 2010 (UTC)

Winter-Een-Mas
Does anyone actually celebrate this? If not, I suggest a "fictional" catagory, to which I can add Hogswatchnight 8-). Daibhid C 18:48, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * We could add the Pastafarian 'Holiday' here as well, if need be. -EarthRise33 (talk) 13:43, 4 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Did it. -EarthRise33 (talk) 04:58, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Beaglemas
On 27 December 1831 Charles Darwin set forth in the HMS Beagle. This was an "On this day" article for 2006-12-27. I mentioned to a friend that it was yet another Winter festival... Googling does yield a few instances of Beaglemas greetings. Enough to list it here as a secular holiday? :-) -- Evertype·✆ 13:35, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Protection
Mh.. I protected the page beacuse it was ongoing vandalism. I semiprotected first but the anonymous kpet vandalizing... sorry if this was wrong... but as you can see from the history the vandalism was going on even with the semi-protection --Legion fi 08:54, 14 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Ok, I've succesfuly restored the article and moved it to semi-protect... hope the vandal is gone. --Legion fi 08:58, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Possible inclusions
Shouldn't Kwanzaa be included? Luis Dantas (talk) 16:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Weird wording found

 * "Yuletide", in the Secular category, talks about two names but supplies only one. Luis Dantas (talk) 16:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)

Halloween a winter festival?
From what I understand Halloween is a fall festival, not a winter festival. So what is it doing on this list? Can anybody clarify it's purpose for being here? Nomardll769 (talk) 00:37, 13 November 2010 (UTC)

Chalica
Chalica is listed under fictional holidays. It may be a newly created holiday but it is NOT fictional. It was created by real people in the real world, and is celebrated by real people in the real world. I'd move it myself, but I'm not sure where it should go. PLEASE fix this! musicalmeg20 (talk) 05:59, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Groundhog Day
Groundhog day is assuredly a winter festival. It seems to be a modern evolution from Candlemas day. See the movie, it is great. I will add it later when I have a bit more time. --Marcwiki9 (talk) 22:51, 23 December 2010 (UTC)

Christmas
Hmm..I would include Christmas as a secular holiday as well (unless the intent of the article is to have mutually exclusive celebrations, which also doesn't seem right). Many secular or non-religious people celebrate Christmas in a secular way (Christmas tree, Christmas lights, presents, mythology of Santa etc).Buzzbo (talk) 03:34, 24 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I'm not on any team watching this page, but you have a very good point that may be simple enough to address. What if under the Christian category, it can say "(celebrated as the birth of Jesus)" after "Christmas", and under the Secular category, it can say "(celebrated as a winter holiday)" or something to that effect after. Just a thought. musicalmeg20 (talk) 07:26, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

Hallowe'en not secular?
It is clearly stated on the Halloween page that Hallowe'en originates from all hallows ever which is the night before All Saints Day, which should thus make it religious holiday rather than secular. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.98.145.5 (talk) 06:35, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Rookiemark (talk) 19:38, 22 November 2015 (UTC)I do not agree. All Saints day is November 1 which is a religious holiday or Holy day. All hallows eve is not based on religion and is not a "holy day" making it a secular event. It not a day when regular work activities are suspended so it is not "holiday" either. It is just a fun day. In contrast, Thanksgiving day is a day when regular work activities are suspended as a holiday. No religious events are associated with it. It is a day when people gathered to give thanks to people, hard-work and grace of their God. Thus one could argue it is a secular holiday where people of all faiths gather to be thankful for what they have (and not regretful or jealous of what they do not have).Rookiemark (talk) 19:38, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Secular label causes confusion
As just mentioned, Halloween, Christmas, and Thanksgiving could be argued as being secular or not. Under the thanksgiving page, no where is the word secular even mentioned. It's silly to have a secular label, because every holiday can be celebrated in a secular way. I would suggest removing the secular label and defining a more precise labeling system. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 18.82.8.0 (talk) 18:49, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

List of 'winter' festivals?
I'm thinking that maybe this article should be renamed to something along the lines of "List of holidays and festivals", as it is being expanded to include non-winter Festivals.

--82.34.243.21 (talk) 21:32, 24 November 2012 (UTC)

"In many English-speaking countries"
"In many English-speaking countries, the period of time around the winter solstice is known as the holiday season". What absolute nonsense. In the UK and Ireland it is called "Christmas", even by atheists. In Australia, New Zealand and South Africa, winter is nowhere near most of the festivals listed in this article, so it's hardly holiday season. Essentially, "many English-speaking countries" should be replaced by "the United States and possibly Canada". Bazonka (talk) 18:50, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

Agnostica
Should this: http://www.agnostica.com/ be added?... (probably to secular rather than fictional, since I think there are actually people who celebrate it to some extent...) Tamtrible (talk) 00:56, 13 December 2013 (UTC)

redirect?
I tried to make a redirect request here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Articles_for_creation/Redirects/2013-12#Redirect_request:_December_holidays_.2C_end_of_year_holidays_.2C_winter_holidays and it got ignored. This seems like... a particularly timely redirect request, as people may be trying right now to figure out things like "My friend is of X religion, what holiday can I wish her a nice one of?"... Tamtrible (talk) 18:19, 16 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Doesn't seem unreasonable. Is there any reason you haven't just created these yourself? You can, you know... Yunshui 雲 &zwj; 水  08:50, 20 December 2013 (UTC)
 * Don't entirely know how... Tamtrible (talk) 15:56, 20 December 2013 (UTC)

This article doesn't know what it's about
This article has become basically a completely arbitrarily collected list of festivals from all around the calendar year, ranging from the Northern Hemisphere's harvest-timed festivals to its winter solstice-timed festivals, then it has the Southern Hemisphere festivals in July, and also a strange "Winter festivals in popular culture" section, which is really just fictionalized versions of Christmas from TV shows, a common trope as noted at TVTropes.org. And the "Other calendars" section is just a mess.

Either this article should just be renamed to "List of festivals and holidays" and expand to include virtually all festivals and holidays, or be more specific and include either only festivals around the winter solstice, during the winter season, during the harvest season, or whatever users here want to decide. Maybe it could be separated into various articles. The current state of the article with its current title and current listings just doesn't make any sense. I'd love to have talk about this with others here before making any changes, but if no one joins the discussion I will take the bold initiative to do something about it one way or another. Crumpled Fire (talk) 14:47, 13 September 2014 (UTC)


 * A reasonable thing to do might be to rename it to "list of festivals and holidays", then group it in sections seasonally (eg: fall/harvest, winter, spring), with an additional section for "roving" holidays, and fictional holidays grouped under their appropriate season. Tamtrible (talk) 00:14, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * Mostly that sounds like a good idea, but remember that the seasons are different depending on whether you're in the Northern Hemisphere or the Southern Hemisphere. A good example of a problem would be that Christmas is celebrated on December 25 in both Europe and Australia, and this date falls during winter in Europe, but summer in Australia. I do agree with your idea that listing all holidays here seems to be the best idea, but maybe the best categorization is by Month, then subsection by religion/culture/country. I think the fictional holidays can still all be in one section, but rename it to something other than the current ridiculous "Winter festivals in popular culture". And we can get rid of the "Other calendars" section and just move those holidays to their respective category by Month/Religion/etc. I might start work on it now, and you can leave feedback and we can adjust accordingly. Crumpled Fire (talk) 19:19, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * I also wanted to add that I think "List of multinational festivals and holidays" is the best choice for a title, because List of holidays by country already exists, so we need to distinguish the two and not include any nation-specific holidays in the list here. Crumpled Fire (talk) 19:22, 14 September 2014 (UTC)


 * There is no definition of a 'major religion'. Does a religion need to be theistic? What is major?  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.68.84.62 (talk) 18:32, 14 December 2020 (UTC)

Can someone add the major Jewish holidays
And Easter, too. They'd all go in the "moveable" section, most likely, though if they always or almost always fall within the same month, you can place them appropriately (donno, not Jewish).

And, the last bit in the "moveable" section... doesn't quite seem in keeping with the rest of the list.

I think the major Islamic holidays are missing, too (like Ramadan). Tamtrible (talk) 06:36, 10 November 2014 (UTC)

Easter isn't in Winter, very often, and neither are a lot of the religious festivals on here - Winter starts generally in December (1st or 21st) and finishes Feb 28/9 or March 21st - so why loads of festivals from October-Nov are on here I don't know Dharkus (talk) 09:38, 25 December 2017 (UTC)


 * Because this is no longer "List of winter holidays", it is "List of multinational festivals and holidays". Tamtrible (talk) 01:29, 27 December 2017 (UTC)

Should we remove some of the "winter festival" holdovers that aren't multinational
Freezing Man, at least, seems inappropriate. Some of the rest I can see keeping (because of immigration, if nothing else--probably better to err on the side of not being too strict, probably better to have too much information than not enough), but there are a few others that could reasonably be argued. Tamtrible (talk) 00:17, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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We need to do something more consistent with the movable holidays.
Most/all of the "movable" holidays happen at *roughly* the same time of year (at least, the ones we have listed seem to). Some are listed only in "movable", some are listed only in the general month list, some are listed both places.

We really ought to do, at least roughly, the same thing with all of them.

The options, as I see them: A. Any that have an approximate month, list only in that month, with the range listed. Use "movable" only for holidays that, eg, precess throughout the year because they're on a lunar calendar that never gets corrected to match the seasons (I think Ramadan's like that)

B. List in both places if applicable, with a full description in the month and a brief note in "movable".

C. List in both places if applicable, with a brief note in the month and a full description in movable

D. List them only in "movable", though perhaps breaking it into winter/spring/summer/fall/unfixed rather than leaving all "movable" holidays grouped only by religion/source culture.

Opinions? Tamtrible (talk) 10:31, 22 April 2017 (UTC)

If someone doesn't state some kind of opinion on this topic, I'm going to pick one. Probably C. Tamtrible (talk) 06:39, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

false information
Yom HaAtzmaut, Yom HaShoah and YomHaZikaron are not jewish holidays. They are holidays in Israel. — Preceding unsigned comment added by HarelKarni (talk • contribs) 08:18, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Secular Day of Awareness
Dec. 1 is World AIDS Day — Preceding unsigned comment added by Crow60 (talk • contribs) 01:47, 2 December 2020 (UTC)


 * feel free to add it... Tamtrible (talk) 04:21, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Shouldn't Boxing Day be categorized under Christianity rather than Secular?
Judging from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boxing_Day
 * "Boxing Day is a holiday celebrated the day after Christmas Day, thus being the second day of Christmastide."
 * "In parts of Europe, such as Romania, Hungary, Germany, Poland, the Netherlands, the Czech Republic, Catalonia and Scandinavia, 26 December is celebrated as a second Christmas Day."
 * "It is sometimes believed to be in reference to the Alms Box placed in the narthex of Christian churches to collect donations to the poor. The tradition may come from a custom in the late Roman/early Christian era wherein alms boxes placed in churches were used to collect special offerings tied to the Feast of Saint Stephen, which in the Western Christian Churches falls on the same day as Boxing Day, the second day of Christmastide." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.109.84.66 (talk) 21:56, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Mid-Autumn Or Moon Festival
I think that Mid-Autumn Festival should be included given that it is the second most important East Asian festival after Lunar New Year according to its wikipedia page. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mid-Autumn_Festival

It would be under moveable since it follows the Lunar calendar and usually falls in September or October.

24.38.252.13 (talk) 03:02, 18 January 2021 (UTC)Justin Gomez


 * Feel free to add it... Tamtrible (talk) 08:05, 21 January 2021 (UTC)

Some cleanup we probably need
1. How aggressive should we be about removing non-multinational holidays? And can someone confirm for me whether or not these actually are non-multinational?

The ones I see so far:

Juneteenth : 19 June (US-only, afaik)

Columbus Day: 12 October or the second Monday in October (likewise)

Indigenous Peoples' Day: the second Monday in October (likewise)

Calan Gaeaf: 1 November – the first day of winter in Wales (is this celebrated anywhere besides Wales?)

Guy Fawkes Night: 5 November – celebrated in the UK commemorating the anniversary of the Gunpowder Plot (UK-only, afaik)

Maaveerar Naal: 27 November: Remembrance day observed by Sri Lankan Tamils in honour of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam. (sounds pretty uninational to me)

Yom Ha'atzmaut: Israeli Independence Day (again, single nation)

2. Can someone please try to add dates to the dateless entries, and properly flag the "movable" ones? The problem children I see:

Losar: Sometime in February (Moveable) (not listed in the "moveable", presumably because it's only in February, but if that's the case, it shouldn't have the "moveable" tag)

Sapta-Bipta (Maithil worship festival Sapta Mai worship) (also has bad links)

Holi (Hindu holiday in honor of Lord Vishnu)

Rama Navami: birth of the god Rama

Hanuman Jayanti: typically a week after Rama Navami, in honour of the birth of Hanuman

Gangaur: occurring in April, in honour of the victory of Goddess Mahagauri

Maithil: occurring in April, Joor-seetal First day of Mithila calendar

Yom HaShoah

Lag BaOmer

Vesak: Buddha's Birthday – celebrated on Vesak Full Moon by most buddhists. (some indication of where that falls on the Julian calendar would be good...)

Yom HaZikaron

Yom Ha'atzmaut: Israeli Independence Day

Raib-Shain Paavein Worship of Sun and Saturn god (also, bad link)

We Tripantu

Ratha Yatra: procession of Vishnu

Asalha Puja: Dhamma Day a Day When First Time Buddha gave Dhamma (updesh) To his First Five Sermons It Celebrate on full moon Day of Ashaldh

Guru Purnima: a reverential day in honour of all teachers and instructors.

Devshayani Ekadashi: solemnity of the repose of Vishnu, coincides with the first day of the highly inauspicious Chaturmas season.

Raksha Bandhan: a festival commemorating filial love.

Krishna Janmashtami: birth anniversary of Krishna.

Onam: a festival of Kerala, India.

Simchat Torah

Navratri: celebrates the conquest of Goddess Durga

Kartik Purnima: An additional commemoration of the Celestial Diwali, or the "Diwali of the Gods"; hence the Sanskrit appellation "Dev Diwali", in honour of Vishnu, Kartikeya and Goddess Ganga.

Mōdraniht: or Mothers' Night, the Saxon winter solstice festival.

Dongzhi Festival – a celebration of Winter

Navratri: The great nine nights of the Goddess Durga, commemorating Her victory against the demon Mahish Navratri: The great nine nights of the Goddess Durga, commemorating Her victory against the demon Mahishasura.

Kartik Purnima

Onam

Janamashtami

Rama Navami

Maha Shivaratri

Sharad Purnima / Lakshmi Puja / Kali Puja

Vasant Panchami

Malanka caps off the festivities of the Christmas holidays

Maslenitsa in Slavic mythology, a celebration of the imminent end of the winter

Anyone feel up to tackling these? Tamtrible (talk) 19:22, 7 December 2021 (UTC)

Also, all of the Mandaeism entries are under "moveable", but they're on a 365 day calendar, so they should probably have associated Gregorian calendar dates, or at least approximate months (does their calendar have leap days?...) Tamtrible (talk) 23:06, 15 January 2022 (UTC)


 * It having been a year since I first posted this, and seeing no objections, I'm removing the non-multinational holidays that I listed above. Tamtrible (talk) 05:20, 20 February 2023 (UTC)

There are a bunch of "Saint X" days listed as secular...
Should they be? The only ones that I know are generally treated as secular holidays are Valentine's and St. Patrick's. The rest should, presumably, be listed as "Christian" rather than "Secular". Tamtrible (talk) 22:00, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

West
West 2600:1700:E580:2160:B880:F3E:5408:3154 (talk) 01:56, 26 August 2022 (UTC)