Talk:List of murdered hip hop musicians

Btb savage

Remove "and killed" from "shot and killed"; change "stabbed to death" to "stabbed"
It is redundant, since everyone on the list died. Implies "shot and run over" was not killed??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:2690:49B8:11DD:D420:1B63:1F9C (talk) 09:38, 13 October 2021 (UTC)

Trimming and cleaning of list
Per comments brought up in the AfD, I have once again attempted to clean up the list. I have removed entries because of the following reasons:
 * Unlinked, non-notable entries per WP:NLIST.
 * Linked artists where the linked article is not the artist's article, but is instead their record company, group, or other artist where the linked artist is not mentioned in the article.
 * Most of the names you removed all at once appear to be linked and/or sourced, but some are clearly lacking in coverage and not linked. I think you definitely removed way too much at once without explaining why and you should be much more specific. Thanks for citing non-notable and WP:NLIST because I wasn't necessarily aware of those policies used on Wikipedia to define notability on an article. However, I believe some of the names you have again removed may merit notability on this article per linkage (see below) and/or WP:MUSIC SOURCES (see revision history). 71.82.112.140 (talk) 21:54, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

If an article is created for one of the deleted entries, then they can be re-added at that point. Entries should not be listed because they may be linked at one point. Essentially write the article first, then add the link.

I also fixed the random order of the list by making the default sort order the name. I sorted it by hand, so mistakes may have been made with the order. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 19:55, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * In regards to random order, the article should be listed by year, preferably in subsections. In regards to wikilinks, unlinked does not necessarily define non-notability in an article (please note revision history). As requested in revision history, please discuss specific names here. Did you remove all of the Damu Ridas names where each name listed here was mentioned in that article? 71.82.112.140 (talk) 21:40, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Since you completely undid my edits twice, it is becoming more obvious to me that you have ownership issues with this article and it is time for a third opinion. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 21:59, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * I did not claim ownership of the article (nor did I undo your edits twice). Please answer my question. Did you remove all of the Damu Ridas names where each name listed here was mentioned in that article? 71.82.112.140 (talk) 22:02, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * If you actually looked at the revisions that I made instead of blindly reverting it, you could have answered that question yourself. But to answer it: No, I did not remove them.  And you did undo my edits twice:   -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 22:07, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * You have been reported for making controversial edits, false claims, and removing sourced information. You are welcome to participate in the discussion at any time. This incident has gone too far because of your blatant, controversial edits backed by vague statements. Restoring information should not count as an undo. 71.82.112.140 (talk) 22:21, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
 * Care to explain why you added unsourced information to the article and are edit-warring it back in, IP? Dolescum (talk) 00:07, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

This needs a major cleanup. I started by removing all the entries that were not linked to any article and did not have a source. If any of these are added back i, it is the responsibility of the editor adding it back to provide a reliable source for the information. GB fan 00:14, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

WP:3O request declined
I have declined a request at WP:3O relating to this thread, because it has been raised at WP:ANI. --Stfg (talk) 22:49, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

One month later
Since there was very little progress creating articles for the unlinked artists, I have once again removed all of artists that meet the following criteria: This was done per the feedback given in the AfD and when this article was discussed at WP:ANI. If an article is created for one of the deleted entries, then they can be re-added at that point. I also completed the sorting in date order started by GB fan. -- Gogo Dodo (talk) 06:20, 28 July 2014 (UTC)
 * Unlinked, non-notable entries per WP:NLIST.
 * Linked artists where the linked article is not the artist's article, but is instead their record company, group, or other artist where the linked artist is not mentioned in the article.

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Add Big Mello june 15 2002 drive bye Jam ai can (talk) 16:36, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Trimming
I feel like you can make this list for any genre (deceased pop artists, deceased country artists, deceased rock artists) and the names are just going to keep piling up, but something unique we can do is just list rappers who have been killed, since hip-hop does have an unusually high amount of artists that have been slain since the late 80s. This would be a much more articulate list, and I think it makes a lot more sense. It would show this unusually high number and the article will have a purpose. JTtheOG (talk) 22:35, 2 April 2016 (UTC)
 * Pinging users who have made significant contributions to the article for their input.          JTtheOG (talk) 23:26, 5 August 2016 (UTC)
 * I don't agree with your proposal. Perhaps you can make a table of the rappers and provide a column for killed vs died of natural causes. Binksternet (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2016 (UTC)

I agree with you that this article has become cumbersome and unorganized over time. That said, I feel like it's important for the article to list important hip-hop artists (i.e. Eazy-E, J Dilla, Ol' Dirty Bastard, etc.) who died because of non-violent reasons as well as important artists who were killed (2Pac, Biggie, Proof, etc.). The trouble is how many lesser-known or insignificant artists are included on the list. Would it make sense to create some sort of threshold for significance so that the list can be trimmed? OswaldThePurveyour (talk) 00:51, 6 August 2016 (UTC)
 * It already exists: Stand-alone lists. That's why I removed half the names on the list today.  Magnolia677 (talk) 01:01, 6 August 2016 (UTC)


 * For the record, the only edit I've ever made to this page that I can locate is the removal of one non-notable entry, so I'm not sure I qualify as a significant contributor to this article. However, technically I agree that this is unmaintainable WP:TRIVIA — since every human being dies eventually, there's nothing particularly noteworthy or encyclopedic about being a dead hip hop musician per se. I'll grant that hip hop musicians have a greater tendency than musicians in other genres to die of violent causes rather than natural ones, but that would be best served by a narrower, more restrictive list than this — but every hip hop musician who has ever existed at all will eventually die, by virtue of being human, so there's no value in maintaining a list of all hip hop musicians who ever died when that list will eventually include all hip hop musicians who ever existed. Bearcat (talk) 17:43, 7 August 2016 (UTC)

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Big Mello Jam ai can (talk) 16:37, 4 April 2016 (UTC)

Jimmy Wobo June 19 2018 shot/killed Pittsburgh PA Sheristoner (talk) 17:47, 19 June 2018 (UTC)

Artist: Houdini Date: May 27 2020 cause of death: Shot/Killed Location: Toronto, Ontario Canada Swizik (talk) 19:56, 26 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Houdini is not notable on Wikipedia, see Articles for deletion/Houdini (rapper). Magnolia677 (talk) 20:42, 26 June 2020 (UTC)

Artist: Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes Date: April 25 2002 cause of death:car accident location: La Ceiba Honduras Emox life (talk) 16:30, 19 March 2021 (UTC)

Artist: Slim Dunkin Date: December 16, 2011, Age at Death : 24 Location : Atlanta, GA — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nyeemia (talk • contribs) 19:55, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

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Renamed to List of murdered
Just letting people know that this used to be "List of deceased" but it was renamed to "List of murdered" after a second AfD discussion that resulted in a rename conclusion. The murders and other deaths had already been split, but I removed the other deaths section now entirely. It's still viewable from the history if needed. Mr. Magoo (talk) 14:51, 29 September 2016 (UTC)

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apology
I apologize for making this article. Like I said it was never intended to be a list of murders. I lost access to the account I made it with after changing the password. I'm begging you to please find forgiveness in your hearts. I did not want to see anybody get murdered and it was NOT my original idea (I redirected some other pages to it like List of dead rappers). The idea started off as an obituary type page and a project to gather a more complete list of names of the deceased throughout hip hop history. Do NOT blow it out of proportion and please do not place all the blame on me, even though it was partially my fault. I am not fully responsible.

I have requested the page to be taken down via IP edits and it Wes denied. So its out of my control at this point. I love you guys and I miss all the ppl in my life, inside and out of rap music, who've passed away. Again please find forgiveness and please do not blow something small out of proportion, like a webpage.

P.s. it just so happens to be that most of the deaths were murders. I didn't do anything but copy and paste most of the info from rateyourmusic and will not be held fully responsible — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C46:4A00:ADE:99C6:44A4:CEB:487A (talk) 14:06, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

apology continued
This page has haunted me for years and when I last checked on it in 2016 i should have apologized right then as soon as discovering the title changed. The original page was List of deceased hip hop artists and it gave me a good opportunity to discover and rediscover some of the names of those who passed away.

If anything it should have been deleted per NOTMEMORIAL along with the similar page of deaths in rock and roll history because its just not appropriate to have a webpage sitting there waiting for famous deaths.

In America we seem to be OBSESSED with famous people who die and it is an unhealthy habit. Now for some reason I feel im the one who has to suffer with spying, stalking,  unfunny jokes etc. Leading all the way up to my final breath just for looking up and sharing information? Its not right. And its not fair. Please try to see it from my point of view too. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6C46:4A00:ADE:99C6:44A4:CEB:487A (talk) 14:14, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

apology continued
Again people need to please forgive me for something so small that got blown this greatly out of proportion. I have apologized in depth for my mistakes and asked for forgiveness. Now its your turn to actually forgive me and realize im not some kind of a monster or killer, just a regular person with an unhealthy obsession with dead celebrities and idols just like most ppl. Do NOT throw me under the bus for this or make it into something its not.
 * Why are you apologizing? User:Ben0kto created this article, not you.  And it's a good one!  Shows all the murdered hip-hop musicians.  It's funny when someone adds a non-notable to the list.  I delete the entry and write "not yet notable"...knowing they never will be because they aren't doing a whole lot of new stuff.  Take pride in this great article.  Magnolia677 (talk) 02:17, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Jimmy Wopo needs to be added.
Jimmy Wopo was shot and killed 4 hours after XXX. I tried to add but not sure I did it right. Sheristoner (talk) 17:55, 19 June 2018 (UTC)
 * Done.--Lirim &#124; T 21:09, 22 June 2018 (UTC)

Added Shmoneydance209 (talk) 17:15, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

Requested move 12 November 2018

 * The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section. 

The result of the move request was: not moved. The consensus is also that (regarding in a title) the definitions of "murdered", and "killed" are different. — usernamekiran (talk)  18:35, 21 November 2018 (UTC)

List of murdered hip hop musicians → List of killed hip hop musicians – "Murder is premeditated", as Soetermans had said in his move reason. However, the move was reverted by Jc86035 for no clear reason. An RM is needed because the title was determined in the AfD. GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 16:22, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment I did this after  asked that it be done. Jc86035 (talk) 16:29, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Hi, on talk page there was a discussion, with . Magnolia677 pointed that there was a discussion before, concerning the title, so I shouldn't have moved it to "killed" in the first place. I tried to undo my own move, but I was at my phone at the time and it kept crashing. Anyway.


 * Support, and I'll just copy-pasty my reasoning, I think using "murdered" here is misleading, or at least too narrow. Homicide is the act of killing another human being, but murder is intended. Going through the list, not every article makes it clear what their demise was.
 * The suspect in Paul C's killing was released because of lack of evidence
 * No conviction in the case of Danny Rodriguez
 * Seagram's death is unresolved
 * Fat Pat's death is unresolved
 * Flabba suffered a fatal stabwound

This might also be that murder in U.S. law has something as "second degree murder". For instance, in England and Wales, there's "murder" and "unlawful killing". In the Netherlands, "moord" ("murder") is intentional and premeditated. Murder is killing, but killing isn't necessarily murder. "Killed" does cover all deaths in these cases. soetermans. ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 16:32, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Oppose - Not because I entirely disagree with the rationale, but because I think "killed" is kind of awkward and imprecise in another way. It gets away from the specifically notable topic, which has to do with homicide, not just being killed. You can be killed by an alligator, forklift, or disease. I'd prefer to see the colloquial meaning of "murdered" that retains the real meaning of the page to the overly broad "killed". I'm trying to think of a better formulation including "homicide" but everything I think of is kind of clunky. E.g. "List of homicides of hip hop musicians" or "List of hip hop musician homicides"... &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 16:47, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Just to update: I'd also oppose other formulations (that I can think of) using just "killed". &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 18:08, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose The new title doesn't read quite right, but I'd support List of hip hop musicians who were killed instead.  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 17:50, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Comment - What would probably be ideal would be to create a subject article about homicide/violence of/against hip hop musicians, which would include this list. That seems to me like it would be a notable topic? Looking around for an extant article on the subject, but not yet found. Not necessarily something that needs to have bearing on this RM, of course. &mdash; Rhododendrites  talk \\ 18:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * something like Violence in hip hop? A quick Google search brings up several reliable sources. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose per Rhodo. This is for artists who are victims of homocides, not those killed in plane crashes, car crashes, etc. My concern also applies to Lugnuts’ alternative. As an aside, shouldn’t it be “hip-hop musicians” in the title?  Calidum   18:45, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * The articles hip hop and hip hop music are dash-less too. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 19:42, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * What about drive-by and gun-crime? BLAM!  Lugnuts  Fire Walk with Me 20:07, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * I would say that for WP:CONSISTENCY's sake, it should be kept to "hip hop" for now (or a move discussion to include a dash should be started at the article hip hop. soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose - The decision to rename this article to its present title was decided by consensus just one year ago at Articles for deletion/List of deceased hip hop artists (2nd nomination). Magnolia677 (talk) 19:47, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * So far most people here are opposing the proposed move (to "killed"), but I think it's fair to say that WP:CONSENSUSCANCHANGE, as say that the current title isn't ideal either (if I may interpret their words as such).  soetermans . ↑↑↓↓←→←→ B A TALK 20:31, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Ah, yes, yes. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:11, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


 * Oppose, but don't think the current title is right, either. I agree with Lugnuts that a better title would be List of hip hop musicians who were killed because it implies their deaths were perpetrated by another human (murder or manslaughter) whilst avoiding the thought that an alligator might have done it. --Woofboy (talk) 20:14, 12 November 2018 (UTC)
 * Support List of hip hop musicians who were killed we only put murdered when killer is convicted as per multiple move discussions on multiple pages as for Calidum's concerns on wikipedia killed means homicide and dies implies death in plane crashes, car crashes, etc. עם ישראל חי (talk) 21:02, 12 November 2018 (UTC)


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Juice Wrld
How is Juice Wrld on this list? All quoted sources state he died from a seizure and had blood in mouth, a common occurrence where seizure victims bite their tongues. There is no information anywhere that he was murdered or that murder was suspected. --Degen Earthfast (talk)
 * Removed Juice Wrld from list after finding no mention of him being murdered anywhere. --Degen Earthfast (talk) 17:35, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

From what I can see he died of a drug overdose. In Drug overdoses, sometimes the Dealers are charged with Murder? Were the drugs legally obtained? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 73.97.178.158 (talk) 23:54, 19 December 2021 (UTC)

Juice WRLD
What are yall thoughts on his passing, he was such a good rapper and to seem him die this early in his life is very sad. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 163.153.113.23 (talk) 16:03, 9 December 2019 (UTC)

"This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the List of murdered hip hop musicians article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Degen Earthfast (talk • contribs) 17:58, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 December 2019
add Juice Wrld to the list, he recently died (I believe 2 days ago) due to cardiac arrest after a seizure 65.33.1.5 (talk) 20:50, 11 December 2019 (UTC)
 * He died but wasn't murdered. – Thjarkur (talk) 21:03, 11 December 2019 (UTC)

Rappers that died list
Old Dirty Basterd needs to be on this list. Apollo Spalletta (talk) 21:50, 19 February 2020 (UTC)
 * It's spelled 'Bastard', and please read the title of the article: it's musicians who were murdered. 2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63 (talk) 21:53, 19 February 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 June 2020
Houdini, May 26 2020, Toronto ON Canada 173.32.110.145 (talk) 14:38, 11 June 2020 (UTC)
 * Houdini is not notable on Wikipedia, see Articles for deletion/Houdini (rapper). Magnolia677 (talk) 14:41, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Add Hounini
Someone add Houdini. The best rapper to come out of Toronto was tragically killed last month. A humble soul and the most talented by far. AstralKushGod (talk) 16:40, 19 July 2020 (UTC)
 * Please see the response just above this one. It is indeed tragic that when Houdini was targeted by two assassins on a busy downtown street, an innocent six-year-old boy was nearly killed in the crossfire when the assassins and Houdini's associates began firing at each other. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:11, 19 July 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 September 2020


Pop smoke is still the best american rapper Because his music still hits and he is also will be my best rapper — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:ca:4300:9b0:9c3c:cb7:b256:8e06 (talk) 02:21, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 11 November 2020
jared higgins aka juice wrld missing from list 2001:56A:7944:9400:B077:EA25:FDB5:6CA4 (talk) 04:36, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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Semi-protected edit request on 13 November 2020
This is to add to list:

Name: FBG Duck Date of Death: August 4, 2020 Age of Death: 26 Location of Death: Chicago, IL Cause of Death: Shot and Killed Reference: https://abc7chicago.com/fbg-shot-chicago-shooting-gun-violence-police/6353835/

Name: Mo3 Date of Death: November 11, 2020 Age of Death: Location of Death: Dallas, TX Cause of Death: Shot and Killed Reference: https://abc13.com/rapper-mo3-shot-dead-on-highway-in-dallas-texas-killed-to-death-melvin-noble/7900264/ Theecontributor (talk) 18:59, 13 November 2020 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This list only includes entries with an existing Wikipedia article based on multiple independent sources. Please take a look at Wikipedia's general notability guideline, and see WP:WTAF for an essay with some additional advice. Thanks, &#8209;&#8209; El Hef  ( Meep? ) 20:34, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Mo3
Mo3 was recently shot in Dallas. Needs to be added LIKE NOW — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2605:E000:1416:8AC7:5939:FB8D:9349:3594 (talk) 20:08, 13 November 2020 (UTC)

Addition of Lil Snup
Lil Snupe, a signee to the Dream Chaser's label was shot and killed after an argument at a friends house on June 21st, 2013.
 * ❌. See WP:WTAF. ◢  Ganbaruby!   (Say hi!) 06:26, 12 December 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 April 2021
You need to add fbg duck. Disrespectful. 2600:6C67:4B7F:2BE1:4493:6C1A:629B:7F49 (talk) 01:55, 7 April 2021 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: WP:WTAF Sincerely, Deauthorized. (talk) 02:11, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Is George Floyd really a hip hop artist? Why is he on this list>
I don't think he really belongs on this list. The list is about murdered hip-hop artists, yes? I never recalled Mr FLoyd being a musician. The name he is listed as in this article (Big Floyd) is just because he was really tall when he was a kid. Correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think that he ever made music. If I am wrong, gimme a link. I wanna hear some of it if it is real. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:80A0:1401:8B1D:F807:E960:DD9B:A754 (talk) 16:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Read the main article on George Floyd:
 * "Beginning in 1994, he performed as a rapper using the stage name Big Floyd in the hip-hop group Screwed Up Click. The New York Times described his deep-voiced rhymes as "purposeful", delivered in a slow-motion clip about choppin' blades' – driving cars with oversize rims – and his Third Ward pride." The second rap group he was involved in was "Presidential Playas" and he worked on their album Block Party released in 2000.  " Dimadick (talk) 17:13, 6 May 2021 (UTC)
 * Floyd is not notable for his music, and would not pass WP:MUSICBIO. I have been unable to locate any reliable sources--published prior to his death--connecting Floyd to his musical skills. Magnolia677 (talk) 17:41, 6 May 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 May 2021
2604:3D09:A07C:110:F46C:A432:1EC:ECBB (talk) 23:30, 29 May 2021 (UTC) Dmx overdosed
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Add rapper Houdini
Toronto rapper Houdini was gunned down in May 2020 in the streets of Toronto.

He had a considerable following and in my opinion, should be part of this list.

Source: https://globalnews.ca/news/6991259/toronto-rapper-houdini-dead/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gecko2kk (talk • contribs) 22:38, 2 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2021
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Please add juice wrld, he deserves it


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. — LauritzT (talk) 15:45, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * {{ping|Oh my goat}} Please note that Juice Wrld died from a self-inflicted overdose of Percocet (this article is entitled "List of murdered hip hop musicians"). Magnolia677 (talk) 16:11, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Missing one artist
There is one artist I didn't see on this list. yung mazi. August 7th 2017 in Atlanta GA was shot and killed. He had been shot multiple times before his death; I believe 8 months before he was killed he was in the hospital recovering from another attempt on his life. Just thought I would make a suggestion. He didn't get as much notoriety as some but I think worthy of the list anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:1700:D70:5360:5DE:36D0:2BCD:BADF (talk) 05:11, 21 November 2021 (UTC)

Study referenced in the body of the article
After looking at the graph that shows the increase rate of homicide for rap groups I noticed that there's no reference listed for the information provided as it is for the life expectancy graph. Unless I'm missing something on the website, I'm not sure if that's a credible source. 2603:6010:8203:8814:1014:73C0:7F13:B3D1 (talk) 20:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Study referenced in the body of the article
After looking at the graph that shows the increase rate of homicide for rap groups I noticed that there's no reference listed for the information provided as it is for the life expectancy graph. Unless I'm missing something on the website, I'm not sure if that's a credible source. 2603:6010:8203:8814:1014:73C0:7F13:B3D1 (talk) 20:21, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 November 2021
I noticed that there's no reference notated in the hyperlink to the reference provided in the wiki about rates of different types of death among music genres. Given that, I didn't notice that stated anywhere else on the page so I thought it may not be credible. I just wanted to point that out. 2603:6010:8203:8814:1014:73C0:7F13:B3D1 (talk) 20:24, 24 November 2021 (UTC)


 * Comment - Frankly, as a list article, I'm not sure that line belongs in there at all. I'll wait a bit to see if anyone else has strong opinions, but I'm inclined to just delete the entire sentence, reference and all. PianoDan (talk) 22:35, 24 November 2021 (UTC)
 * It is referenced, and does provide context to why this list exists, but I'm not terribly bothered one way or another. Also I'm closing the request while it's under discussion. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2021 (UTC)

Where's Fbg Duck
Fbg Duck was killed August 4th, 2020 while shopping for his son. He made his own way to the rap game he definitely deserves to be mentioned imo. 2603:6010:5A40:37:BC67:368E:F2E:7653 (talk) 07:08, 6 December 2021 (UTC)


 * I agree. I don't know why he is not on here. 97.102.195.102 (talk) 22:36, 31 January 2023 (UTC)

Chicago drill
You missed at least a half dozen drill rappers from Chicago in the last 10 years 2600:1700:B050:E9A0:69AF:CA3F:A782:95F7 (talk) 00:16, 14 December 2021 (UTC)

Add these rappers
YNT Juan and Lil Marlo 2600:6C54:7D00:3D8:916B:482F:8AAD:5414 (talk) 04:28, 20 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 December 2021
July 11, 2021 31.15.147.112 (talk) 15:16, 25 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 15:26, 25 December 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 January 2022
... that among 77 deaths they documented, more then 40 remain unsolved, which include....

Request to change "then" to "than". 2001:1C06:2102:F900:852F:114F:F2C3:ADA3 (talk) 13:54, 10 January 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ SpinningCeres (talk) 17:36, 10 January 2022 (UTC)

Mister c
Rapper shot and killed from San Francisco ca

From the group rbl posse 2601:641:700:7290:C925:DB6E:41FC:FC5E (talk) 20:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Hitman
Also forgot hitman a second rapper from the group rbl posse 2601:641:700:7290:C925:DB6E:41FC:FC5E (talk) 20:24, 14 January 2022 (UTC)

Another One
Wavy Navy Pooh was an artist from Quality Control that got shot and killed 2600:6C54:7D00:3D8:80FA:3EC7:A2E0:3FA (talk) 03:05, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Slim 400
Don't remove him 2600:6C54:7D00:3D8:DCC:AB7F:9B9A:E361 (talk) 11:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Lil Loaded
R.I.P Lil Loaded 66.186.91.171 (talk) 21:47, 8 February 2022 (UTC)

Add me plzzzzz
Add juice wrld pleaseee 2001:56B:3FF4:ABF8:F40D:B70C:EA1A:FAAF (talk) 05:46, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
 * He was not murdered.--Asr1014 (talk) 05:45, 20 September 2022 (UTC)

Change the percentage
Bio 2600:6C54:7D00:1374:34F2:99ED:E0C9:F3DF (talk) 06:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Copyright disclaimer
Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:6c54:7d00:1374:34f2:99ed:e0c9:f3df (talk) 06:02, 21 March 2022 (UTC)

Blood Money/Big Glow/Mario Hess in 2014
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/breaking/chi-blood-money-big-glo-chief-keef-englewood-chicago-20140410-story.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wolfgeist81 (talk • contribs) 23:15, 11 May 2022 (UTC)

Punjabi Rapper
Sidhu Moose Wala was shot and killed 2600:6C54:507F:D627:1C29:D867:C21A:16CA (talk) 15:55, 29 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Already added. 99.165.88.9 (talk) 00:27, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Archie Eversole
He died in the 3rd not the 5th of April 2600:6C54:507F:D627:1C29:D867:C21A:16CA (talk) 20:50, 10 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Already added. 99.165.88.9 (talk) 00:27, 12 June 2022 (UTC)

Missing Chicago rappers
Someone add the following rappers, they are notable in Chicago but almost no Chicago deaths are on this page. T. Roy- 2/14/2017 FBG Brick- 7/17/2017 TB (TW)- 9/26/2017 HK- 11/25/2017 GetRight/CantGetRight/ManMan- 6/16/2018 051 Melly- 9/01/2019 Richie Jerk (TW)- 5/7/2020 FBG Duck- 8/04/2020 Slutty and Louie (affiliates that died on the same day as King Von)- 11/06/2020 OTF Dthang- 6/6/2021 Edai (600)- 7/31/2021 FBG Ca$h- 6/10/2022

At least add FBG Duck, Edai or FBG Cash, they were very notable before their deaths with millions of following and millions of streams. Their death was widely covered by the media across the United States and Chicago. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Proteinvk (talk • contribs) 22:38, 11 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Are those names notable? Not just anybody can be included to this list. 99.165.88.9 (talk) 00:08, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Yes FBG Duck is very notable. He was huge rapper and well known. Why isn't he on the list? 173.71.80.203 (talk) 02:01, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Bvlly and Lil Keed
Toronto rapper Bvlly and Atlanta rapper Lil Keed should be added to this list 2001:1970:50DC:6000:0:0:0:81CB (talk) 17:26, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
 * Lil Keed died because of kidney failure. He wasn't murdered. Bvlly would need a wikipedia article first. 99.165.88.9 (talk) 15:49, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Rip JayDaYoungan
Jay was shot along with his dad. 2600:6C54:507F:50A3:A85F:4938:EE6E:DBF6 (talk) 04:55, 28 July 2022 (UTC)

Rip Young Slo-Be
Man this gun violence gotta end immediately... 2600:6C54:507F:50A3:4192:7766:FBE0:97C0 (talk) 05:50, 7 August 2022 (UTC)

Rip Pat Stay
Rip Pat Stay 2600:6C54:507F:50A3:8DB9:FE44:DB1C:F29 (talk) 20:53, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Rip PnB Rock
Gun violence must end 2600:6C54:507F:50A3:8D92:796:6697:5429 (talk) 00:36, 13 September 2022 (UTC)

Chris Kaba
Inclusion of Chris Kaba keeps being deleted based on the fact that "he doesn't have a personal page, it's a group". This is a spurious argument at best: just because I can't be arsed to write a page for the guy, it doesn't mean he's not notable. Even if he weren't, his murder is: https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-e&q=murder+of+chris+kaba has hits on BBC, The Guardian, The Standard, The Independent, CNN, Al Jazeera and then I stopped because, to every reasonable editor, this should be more than enough. Please do consider that hip hop does exist outside of the US: this is the English, not the American, wikipedia, and this piece of news is extremely relevant to British people.  c o m p l a i n e r  07:36, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
 * The first line of this article says, "the following is a list of notable rappers", and the list has historically included only those who have a Wikipedia article, as outlined at WP:LISTPEOPLE. Glance through this talk page, or the article's revision history, and you will see this has been supported by myself and others, including User:Blackguard SF, User:Deauthorized, User:Ganbaruby, User talk:ElHef and User:Gogo Dodo. Your choice is to either write an article for Chris Kaba, or seek a consensus to change the longstanding inclusion criteria of this article. Magnolia677 (talk) 09:45, 15 September 2022 (UTC)

Someone needs to add juice wrld to this list asap
He is a really well known hip-hop musician Dabeast922 (talk) 00:15, 31 October 2022 (UTC)
 * He wasn't murdered. Magnolia677 (talk) 05:47, 31 October 2022 (UTC)

Category:Criticism of hip-hop
Is this really an appropriate category? There is nothing about criticism on the page. Hip hop has long been criticised for promoting violence, but that's separate to what this page is about. I don't know every case on the page, but the only ones I can think of which were carried out by other rappers' associates were Einar (under investigation) and Tupac and Biggie (heavily rumoured but never proven). Most of these were robberies (X, PnB), wanton violence (Proof) or never solved. Unknown Temptation (talk) 18:32, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2022
Yeruza was a rapper from Puerto Rico Murder in 2020 Carolina Puerto Rico. 107.115.227.20 (talk) 19:26, 1 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: They must be notable enough for a Wikipedia article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 20:50, 1 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 November 2022
ONE RAPPER NOT IN THE LIST: L´A Capone - September 26, 2013 - 17 - Chicago, Illinois, U.S - Shooting LINK: https://allhiphop.com/mobile/lil-durk-friend-la-capone-killed-in-chicago/ Hoodieonthetrack (talk) 16:09, 2 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: They must be morale enough for a Wikipedia article. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 21:35, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2022
How is Mac Miller not on this list? His death effected way more than PnB Rock, Lil Peep, or xxxTentation. His death is mourned as much as Nipsey Hussle 71.218.75.196 (talk) 04:47, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This is a list of murdered musicians. From his article it does not appear Mac Miller was murdered. Cannolis (talk) 04:56, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 November 2022 (2)
“inadequate pastoral care” Is not a fact or important factor in their deaths and it is an insult to mention especially when many of the artists listed did not believe in American Christianity etc and the ones who did still did not die in a church or with any relevance of needing pastoral care which is definitely not a norm for black men in general. A fact would be what percentage grew up with or currently had fathers Insitemobile (talk) 17:43, 3 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: See pastoral care - term does not necessarily have anything to do with Christianity or even religion Cannolis (talk) 18:11, 3 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 23 November 2022
Add Slim 400 to the list of rappers murdered. https://nypost.com/2022/06/14/ex-con-arrested-for-fatal-shooting-of-rapper-slim-400-in-la/#:~:text=Slim%20400%20was%20a%20rising,the%20West%20Coast%20rap%20scene. IcebergSlim930 (talk) 03:57, 23 November 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Don't see a Wikipedia article for him Slim 400. WP:WTAF Cannolis (talk) 05:51, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 December 2022
swipey aka Douglas brooks Aug 21 2016 parking lot at mother's house/apartment murdered  by 4 suspects. 2600:8800:7027:B200:7D8A:6FBE:C46A:8710 (talk) 00:02, 10 December 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Also see WP:WTAF Cannolis (talk) 00:17, 10 December 2022 (UTC)

Canserbero is relevant enough to be in the list
He was killed in a murder-suicide in his hometown... 2600:6C54:507F:50A3:5453:8AFB:822D:D059 (talk) 04:24, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Category addition
With this edit you added Category:Music controversies to the article. What is controversial within this article? Magnolia677 (talk) 11:10, 13 January 2023 (UTC)

Should photos be added?
Would the article benefit from a photo column? Of the names listed, 18 have photos available (about 30 percent). In time, more image may be released into the public domain. Thank you for your input. Magnolia677 (talk) 13:23, 11 February 2023 (UTC)

gonzoe
gonzoe Born: February 4, 1976 Died: July 2021 shooting 2600:1700:C921:7460:3CE5:D2AD:B1B7:9AEC (talk) 02:51, 17 February 2023 (UTC)

Snootie Wild's Death Date
He died in the 26th not the 27th of 2022 2600:6C54:507F:50A3:8137:D2FE:82F1:5FBF (talk) 22:13, 24 February 2023 (UTC)

ADD NOTTI OSAMA PLZZZ
u need to add notti osama he is a 14 year old harlem drill rapper that died on july 9, 2022 he got stabbed 2601:546:C180:99F0:CC9C:16F1:A4CF:1439 (talk) 20:43, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

You should put Notti Osama
Notti Osama is a drill rapper from New York. He was brutally stabbed in a subway station waiting for his train.But Nottia Osama got into a fight & eventually got stabbed on the side of his hip. Dying at the age of 14 on July 9 2022. Brother of alive drill rapper DD Osama. 2601:644:4482:D9A0:4034:B089:2E9F:EE73 (talk) 04:38, 7 March 2023 (UTC)

Zayar Thaw
, why did you delete my edit? He's a rapper and they killed him, quite suitable, what's wrong? Execution is murder. Нейроманьяк (talk) 18:40, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Execution by a corrupt regime isn't really "murder" when defined in the same context as all the other murders on this list, but you make a good point. Was Stalin a murderer or an executioner?  I'm going to revert my edit and see if any others object. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:51, 11 March 2023 (UTC)
 * "Execution is murder" is an opinion, not a legal fact. FrunkSpace (talk) 00:58, 23 March 2023 (UTC)
 * If someone, no matter the state or person, and for their own reasons or by a court decision, takes the life of another person, then this is murder. Perhaps I misunderstand the word "murder" and it's in English "killing".  Explain if this is so, I'm just from Russia, I don't know English well Нейроманьяк (talk) 13:32, 24 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Canserbero was more relevant than that guy please add him 2600:6C54:507F:50A3:553E:83E9:DEDF:C686 (talk) 22:38, 2 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2023
The Rapper named Sidhu Moosewala assassinated on May 29, 2022 was killed by shooting when he was driving back to his home in his vehicle. It's requested to change the 'Cause of Death' from 'Shooting' to 'Drive by Shooting'. KanDigvijay (talk) 17:03, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. M.Bitton (talk) 18:57, 14 March 2023 (UTC)
 * The musician was Sidhu Moose Wala, and he's already listed. Magnolia677 (talk) 11:34, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

ADD BtB savage Houston tx
Add 67.161.101.103 (talk) 04:41, 6 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Probably BTB Savage (no article) lacks notability. --2001:1C06:19CA:D600:7EA8:C71E:2746:5DE0 (talk) 07:49, 10 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 28 April 2023
MoneySign Suede,was stabbed to death Tuesday night in a shower at a California prison, according to his attorney. Russsssty (talk) 13:45, 28 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: This musician has already been listed at Deaths in 2023, but this article seems to be used for more notable musicians. MSS does not (yet) have his own article, but you are free to create one through the AfC process, if you think a standalone article is justified with reliable sources. Mattdaviesfsic (talk) 13:53, 28 April 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2023
Please add Puerto Rican rapper Pacho El Antifeka, who was shot and killed in Bayamón, Puerto Rico on June 1. (Source) 32.220.192.163 (talk) 10:38, 3 June 2023 (UTC)

Please add Punjabi rapper Sidhu Moosewala to the list
Please add Punjabi Rapper Sidhu Moose Wala Sidhu Moosewala to the list. He is level of Tupac Shakur 203.76.188.184 (talk) 12:56, 19 June 2023 (UTC)
 * He's already on the list. Magnolia677 (talk) 14:07, 19 June 2023 (UTC)

Add Tdott Woo back
Put him back 2600:6C54:507F:50A3:EDA9:DC8E:2B0A:27F1 (talk) 06:45, 14 July 2023 (UTC)

Lefty sm
add him bros 2600:6C54:507F:50A3:FCD8:D28A:D37:7D4D (talk) 22:24, 4 September 2023 (UTC)

Zayar Thaw
Should Zayar Thaw be added to the list? He was executed by the Burmese government. 2600:100C:A217:230B:F8D4:B3DC:76C7:C109 (talk) 01:51, 14 September 2023 (UTC)

Chucky Trill. March 5th 2021. Atlanta, US.Shooting.
Chucky Trill ( age 33). March 5th 2021. Atlanta U.S. Shooting. 81.105.18.173 (talk) 12:13, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. PianoDan (talk) 16:48, 25 September 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 September 2023
Add Los Angeles rapper Moneysign Suede. Suede was stabbed to death in Soledad State prison while in the shower on April 25th, 2023. Jaime Brugada Valdez was his real name, he had collaborated with Snoop Dogg, E-40, Madeintyo, Ty Dolla Sign, Drakeo the ruler and more before his death. 200 2600:1700:629C:C090:30F1:5151:1986:E2F5 (talk) 19:10, 26 September 2023 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Seawolf35 (talk) 19:37, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
 * Not notable, per Articles for deletion/MoneySign Suede. --Magnolia677 (talk) 20:33, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

Come on mag boy add lefty sm to the list
He was relevant enough to be in the list. 2600:6C54:507F:50A3:E53D:BECA:D67D:8552 (talk) 17:36, 13 November 2023 (UTC)

LA Capone
Leonard Anderson- LA Capone was shot and killed in Chicago IL. Not New york City as the article states. 98.172.185.92 (talk) 06:15, 12 February 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 March 2024
juice wrld 71.131.87.12 (talk) 00:42, 1 March 2024 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Jamedeus (talk) 01:06, 1 March 2024 (UTC)

Single female on the list
The only female on the list is Magnolia Shorty, making me suspect that it's rare for female hip hop musicians to get murdered. I do not have a reliable source though, and most hip hop musicians are male, so for now it's just original research on my part that cannot be added to the article. Still interesting to see a single female on the list. --82.174.179.202 (talk) 10:34, 10 March 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2024
75.166.99.218 (talk) 05:16, 6 April 2024 (UTC) what about LA Capone he was an American Rapper who was shot and killed on September 26, 2013, in Chicago.
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: no indication of notability. Also advised to write the article first. Liu1126 (talk) 13:07, 6 April 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 April 2024
Kilo G from Memphis, Tennessee was gunned down at his home in DeGaulle Manor housing project on January 15, 1997 Source: https://www.xxlmag.com/today-in-hip-hop-r-i-p-kilo-g-august-28-1977-january-15-1997/ 2800:A4:6BD:600:5B24:81E8:5E2E:62CB (talk) 10:07, 27 April 2024 (UTC)
 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

Needs Stack Bundles added
Please 2600:8805:C1C:5200:81D8:C578:D901:C0F4 (talk) 00:22, 3 May 2024 (UTC)