Talk:List of music considered the worst/Archive 11

Criteria
I realise this has probably been mentioned somewhere before, but what exactly is the criteria for a song to be listed here? The current lede says: based on reviews, polls and sentiment from music critics, musicians, and the general public, which seems vague. How many reviews and such are needed? A significant amount of the entries listed here are cited to only one source. I would suggest cutting them down in number if it isn't possible to find any more sources considering them the worst, but I see this entry has a long talk page history, and I don't want to accidentally step on consensus. KangarooGymnast (talk) 00:03, 29 December 2023 (UTC)


 * The current criteria is just a reliable source (think WP:RSMUSIC type stuff) or a professionally done poll (like by a publication or corporation) that directly refers to the given music as the worst in some direct capacity. Any efforts for creating any more specific criteria have fizzled out for being too impractical or convoluted. Sergecross73   msg me  00:23, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Oh, the other criteria is that the artist and respective album/song must have their own articles too. It keeps a lot of the trivial, deliberately bad stuff churned out by non-notable Youtubers off the list. Sergecross73   msg me  18:28, 29 December 2023 (UTC)
 * Stating some explicit inclusion criteria would be useful, but as Sergecross73 points out attempts at reaching consensus for that have so far been unsuccessful.
 * Stand-alone_lists delineates the general policies for list articles; if there's some entry here that violates that there would be a good argument for removing that Mr. Swordfish (talk) 17:25, 29 December 2023 (UTC)

Father Of All Motherfuckers 68/100 on Metacritic
An album that is rated 68/100 on Metacritic as "mostly favorable" (and has mostly favorable rewiews overall) does not belong on a list of albums considered the worst of all time. Please remove. 76.174.58.108 (talk) 06:40, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Not removing. The album fits the inclusion criteria here, because Loudwire described it as the worst. All we need is one source saying it's the worst. It doesn't matter if others think it is good. Binksternet (talk) 06:57, 4 January 2024 (UTC)
 * Loudwire did NOT describe it as the worst. Read the source. Loudwire reported (in a tone that strikes me somewhat bewildered) that a completely unreliable source rated it among (!) the worst records based on highly dubious criteria.
 * We've been over this before and while I consider the revision done to this entry an improvement I still don't feel it is justified.
 * Once more: that is a "study" done by a website that usually rates online casinos. "Father Of All Motherfuckers" is actually the sixth entry on that list; and none of the other five "worse" rated entries can be found here. This definitely reeks.
 * (And yes, I also requested removal a couple of months ago; it got removed and after a while re-instated in revised form.)
 * 2003:D4:DF46:D080:DD73:CD9F:A2A7:FE29 (talk) 23:38, 4 January 2024 (UTC)