Talk:List of neighborhoods of Madrid

General renaming to "neighborhood/neighbourhood"
""The city of Madrid is a Spanish municipality formed of 21 districts (divided in turn into 128 neighbourhoods and 2,358 census tracts) that are surrounded by the second metropolitan beltway, M-40 in total covering an area of 604.3 square kilometres""

""The city is split into 21 districts, which are further subdivided into 128 neighborhoods and 2,412 census sections.""

""The territory is divided into 21 districts which are in turn divided in 128 neighborhoods "."

""In 2014, Madrid was divided into 21 districts that housed 128 neighborhoods "."

""It is located in the center of the Iberian Peninsula and divided into 21 districts and 128 neighborhoods ""

""In Madrid, 128 neighbourhoods (barrios) in the city's 21 districts were ranked in tertiles according to socioeconomic status (measured as the mean price of housing per square meter) and immigrant density"."

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Sure it's astoundingly confusing how the City Council "sells" a different set of "neighboorhoods" in its English language tourism page, but that's not a reason to name (WP:NOR) by ourselves these (administrative) neighbourhoods as "wards", when the overwhelming majority of sources denominate these divisions as "neighborhoods". Sure too, I've seen some odd mention to "quarter" and to "ward" in some sub-par tourist guide (probably a circular reference in the later case), but the evidence in secondary sources of English usage is overwhelming.
 * Rationale

There is a certain need to differentiate the administrative neighbourhoods from the rest but we should not be using arbitrary article titles to achieve it (and leaving the Encyclopedia ripe open for circular referencing in the process). Instead we should be putting our best efforts to make the difference clear in the body of the article and the infobox (IMHO, we should avoid infoboxes when dealing with vague "popular" areas without administrative entity).

And by the way, to dispel any notion of "ward" being good for a word-for-word adaptation from Spanish to English, in Spanish all of these entities may be called "barrio" (the very same City Council use "barrio" in Spanish both for the tourism divisions and the administrative divisions), and "ward" (germanic origin) is not a cognate of "barrio" (arabic origin) either.

I think this list should be renamed. The concerned categories should be renamed (that's easy, apparently there is only one: Category:Wards of Madrid). And the content of the 128-131 concerned entries would be adapted to reflect English language usage.--Asqueladd (talk) 21:46, 24 September 2018 (UTC)


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