Talk:List of nicknames of jazz musicians

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Spun off from the article jazz royalty per suggestion at Talk:Jazz royalty. -- Infrogmation (talk) 12:06, 20 July 2008 (UTC)

Great article!
This is a really exciting opportunity & challenge - long live "Be bold"-ness at Wikipedia! An extremely useful reference for anyone interested in jazz. How 'bout if we put the people's names with the nickname included, as in Bird: Charlie "Bird" Parker, which is how most people would probably associate them. In this obvious example there is little room for confusion, but there are some pretty obscure names out there and it might not be necessary to put full names here - after all, that's what each article will provide. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 01:06, 21 July 2008 (UTC)

Title vs. content
Slightly concerned about drawing a thin line between jazz and blues artists here. In some cases there is a clear difference, as in Robert Johnson, but in other cases, as in Bessie Smith? Rather than change the title, maybe we could leave the option open in the lede by explaining - without it being original research! Regards, --Technopat (talk) 11:02, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * If you think the best way to do this would be both jazz & blues musicians together, I have no particular objections. Suggest a move to "Nicknames of jazz and blues musicians" or something similar. Other thoughts on that? Also, as this seems more a list than an article discussing the topic, perhaps "List of" should be added to the title. -- Infrogmation (talk) 18:39, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree that it's rapidly "degenerating" into a mere list, but extremely useful none the less - I've spent an interesting afternoon going through the wikilinks and catching up on some great Wikipedia articles that I would otherwise have missed. Maybe your suggestion of moving it to "Nicknames of jazz and blues musicians" (with the "List of ..." bit stuck on the front) would upset the purists. Let's leave it for a while for other editors come up with feedback and/or nominate it for deletion as lacking in notability :) Regards, --Technopat (talk) 20:36, 21 July 2008 (UTC)
 * As I mentioned above, this is rapidly degenerating into a mere list - but one of the most informative and potentially useful on Wikipedia. Any suggestions/experiences from other fields of knowledge/genres for making this even one even better? Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 13:27, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As per Infrogmation's suggestion above, and unless anyone objects strongly, I'll move this article to "List of nicknames of jazz musicians" over the next week or so. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 23:56, 21 August 2008 (UTC)
 * As per one of the things mentioned above, have just created the following List of nicknames of blues musicians which may be of interest to some of you. --Technopat (talk) 11:52, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Bing

 * Here's another one for the purists: do we include Bing Crosby? If nothing else, it's a great nickname! His early career was linked, albeit loosely, with what is considered jazz in its global sense. :) Regards, --Technopat (talk) 10:59, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I say yes. I'm of the generation who first knew Bing from orange juice commercials and corny old movies with Bob Hope, but I've learned more since. Rembember we're talking about someone who'd been Bix's roommate, and one of the first to bring many of Louis Armstrong's jazz vocal innovations to a mainstream audience. Cab Calloway admitted forming much of his vocal style after Bing.  "Loosely" linked? Heck, had Bing died around, say 1938, I don't think there'd even be any debate about calling him a jazz singer. -- Infrogmation (talk) 12:52, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanx for that enthusiastic "yes"! It's a cut-throat world out there, purists abound and I just wanted to reach consensus - 100% so far :) - before being too bold. Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 13:16, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Feedback for possible inclusion
Greetings All - I'd like to include in the lead something along the lines of the following text, but am concerned about the original research angle: Nicknames can also sometimes become stage names, and there are several cases of performers being known almost exclusively by their nicknames. Any ideas? Regards, --Technopat (talk) 10:48, 6 August 2008 (UTC)
 * A case in point, which I have just come across: Jack Teagarden. I had always assumed, erroneously as it turns out, that that "Jack" was simply the familiar name of "John". This list is the place to check out on Wikipedia (for jazzers, at least). Regards, --Technopat (talk) 14:12, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

Nicknames vs. short form of names
I'd like to somehow make clear in the lead that there is a distinction. For instance, I was about to include Cab Calloway, but Cab is actually the short form of Cabell, so in my opinion doesn't "qualify" as a nickname. On the other hand, in the case of Betty Carter, although Betty is clearly a short form/diminutive, it has nothing to do with her real given names, so can be considered a nickname. Feedback and suggestions on how to word it? Cheers! --Technopat (talk) 07:38, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * And Johnny Wiggs - nickname or stage name? Regards, --Technopat (talk) 23:12, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Ongoing list of names/nicknames to check
Am including here a list of cases of doubt and have added a request for information at the corresponding article's talk page. Please add: --Technopat (talk) 07:48, 8 August 2008 (UTC)
 * Chico Freeman
 * J. J. Johnson? --Technopat (talk) 01:00, 9 August 2008 (UTC)

ID
Have just removed the following: as none of the variations of those names correspond to Wikipeida articles. If anyone can sort it out... --Technopat (talk) 18:25, 4 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Shox Johnson and His Jive Bombers: Stephen Ross Wilcox

Another one for the purists...
How 'bout Bull Moose Jackson? He started out with Lucky Millinder and his own band later included Tadd Dameron and Benny Golson... --Technopat (talk) 07:22, 27 July 2009 (UTC)

Iggy & Blinky/Blinkie
Came across two musicians who recorded on Billie Holiday's famous 1949 AFRS radio broadcast: Blinky/Blinkie Garner (drums) and Robert "Iggy" Shevak (bass). Not much stuff out there on either of the two - except for Roy Blinky Garner being in the Musicians' Directory in 1950 (http://books.google.es/books?id=FgpEAQAAIAAJ&q=Blinky+Garner&dq=Blinky+Garner&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xQq1UZjmNIWV7Aa3qIGoBQ&ved=0CFMQ6AEwBw) and getting into trouble with Local 767 in 1953 (http://books.google.es/books?id=faZGAQAAIAAJ&q=Blinky+Garner&dq=Blinky+Garner&hl=en&sa=X&ei=xQq1UZjmNIWV7Aa3qIGoBQ&ved=0CFcQ6AEwCA), but it turns out that a Richard Iggy Shevack was in Claude Thornhill's orchestra in New York in 1946 (http://books.google.es/books?id=b-5GoNQzsbQC&pg=PA351&dq=Robert+%22Iggy%22+Shevak&hl=en&sa=X&ei=bwy1Ub62BYSM7Qba_oGABg&ved=0CDUQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=Robert%20%22Iggy%22%20Shevak&f=false). Am fully aware that this is not a forum, but these two nicknames are just too good to be left out of the list, so I'd appreciate some pointers, even if they may not be notable enough to have their own Wikipedia articles. Regards, --Technopat (talk) 23:36, 9 June 2013 (UTC)


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