Talk:List of noise musicians

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Should the list here include only those who have Wikipedia articles?

Valueyou (talk) 16:15, 9 July 2009 (UTC)

Do we really need this "list"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.0.233.227 (talk) 21:29, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Criteria for inclusion
I notice that Valueyou has restored La Monte Young to this list, after I removed him a few days ago. As a courtesy to Valueyou, I am letting this stand for the time being, but I feel this raises a serious issue about this list. If Young qualifies on the basis of just one or two Fluxus pieces from the early 1960s, and if John Lennon and Yoko Ono qualify on the basis of just two improvisation albums made in 1968 and 1969, then are not any and all musicians who have ever used noise instead of, or more prominently than pitch in at least one piece equally qualified for this list? If so, then I must recant my recent removal of at least ten names, and get busy listing hundreds or even thousands more, starting with George Antheil, Henry Cowell, Charles Ives, and Edgard Varèse, if not perhaps also even Michel Corrette (for his La Victoire d'un combat naval of 1779). If, on the other hand, this list should include only those composers and other sound artists who are principally associated with the genre of noise music, then I submit that neither Young nor Lennon/Ono belong here.

This in turn leads to the main article on noise music, which does not do a very good job of defining just what this is supposed to be. The term is certainly a very recent coinage, dating I believe no further back than the 1980s. There are a few sources cited in the noise music article that refer to precedents for the making of music with nothing but noises, but the article seems to include all of these musicians indiscriminately as makers of noise music. Certainly Luigi Russolo qualifies, not only as a precedent but as a composer and theorist who embraced noise as the basis of his music, but it is preposterous to include, as the article does, Arnold Schoenberg, whose strenuous objection to the term "atonal" in reference to his work was precisely because he was not interested in writing music using noises instead of tones.—Jerome Kohl (talk) 16:07, 14 September 2009 (UTC)

Speedranch/Passenger of Shit?
Should we add those to the list, or are they more speedcore than noise? Salamibears58 (talk) 20:07, 8 October 2011 (UTC)Salamibears58

Cleanup
I started adding references to the list and removed a handful of musicians with seemingly no connection to noise music (Yellow Magic Orchestra and NIN was on there for some reason). The list needs a lot more work on it, and like previously mentioned, the inclusion criteria seems vague. If anyone would like to help out fixing this list, it would be nice. RoseCherry64 (talk) 16:02, 16 September 2018 (UTC)