Talk:List of numbered Brooklyn avenues

Merge proposal

 * In regards to the proposal by user:The Legendary Ranger to merge 20th Avenue (Brooklyn) and Bay Parkway (Brooklyn) into this article by and re-applied by spa 24.146.223.111 (sock of The Legendary Ranger? sure looks like it), very much oppose to such merges. This article is simply a list whilst 20th Avenue (Brooklyn) is a full encyclopedic article of a notable topic and there is far too much topic specific content to merge into the grid of a list. The same goes for Bay Parkway (Brooklyn).  Also, 20th Avenue (Brooklyn) was AfD'd by User: The Legendary Ranger  - Articles for deletion/20 Avenue - and the official result was no consensus to delete.  In fact, a majority of the consensus was to Keep that article.  This is appearing as an attempt to circumvent the WP:CONSENSUS process. --Oakshade (talk) 20:30, 18 March 2012 (UTC)


 * This is not an attempt to break consensus, which is changeable being that we are allowed to renominate articles for deletion, recreate ones that had been deleted, and create or undo separations or merges articles to keep Wikipedia up to par. While I still have not found a shrewd of evidence proving that 20th Avenue meets General notability or Notability Guidelines for streets, I am reluctant to renominate the article for deletion knowing people may vote to keep it because they think having two subway stations serving the street makes it "notable" even though this is clearly not true being that there are many other streets in the city, some of which are short, dead-end, or one-way residential streets (like Neck Road, Longwood Avenue, and 121st Street), that have 1-4 stations named after them and they do not have Wikipedia articles.


 * That is why I am instead proposing a merge because contrary to your comment, the entire "20th Avenue" article CAN be put into the chart in the list article. The only information we have is its location, length (which is not even sourced), north and south ends, and the subway stations that serve it, all of which can be added to the chart (we can put the last one in the "additional notes" column and you can add more columns for any other information found). The same goes for the "Bay Parkway" article, which has some unverifiable content.


 * I cannot find any reliable sources proving the statement Along Bay Parkway are many Chinese, Russian and Italian-American businesses as well as many residential buildings and co-ops. Bay Parkway was known as 22nd Avenue until the 1930s, when the name was changed to facilitate large-scale apartment-type residential development. The only remaining reference to 22nd Avenue is the 22nd Avenue signage at the ends of the Bay Parkway – Sea Beach line subway stop. The station dates to 1915, when the name "Bay Parkway" did not exist despite it sounding true based on my experiences there.


 * Also, when you merge articles, the original articles do not get deleted, just redirected, so it is easy to revert the merge, i.e. in the future, whether it would be one week, six months, or three years from now, if you are somehow able to find something reliable proving 20th Avenue and/or Bay Parkway's significance in New York City history, all you have to do is undo the redirect and add the new information and source to the original articles. Until then, though, a merge is the most effective way to solve the problems with these articles. The Legendary Ranger (talk) 00:15, 20 March 2012 (UTC)