Talk:List of organ symphonies

--Peter Talk page 01:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

Should this article list symphonies that just require an organ, or symphonies that have organ solos? A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 23:00, 16 April 2006 (UTC)

organ symphonies
By preference, only symphonies wrote for organ solo should be listed here.

The Camille Saint-Saens "Symphonie avec Orgue No 3" is an exception, but I think that even this should not be listed here, because it is not a symphony FOR organ, but a classical symphony for orchestra, including a pipe organ between other musical instruments.

Organ Symphony should be played by an organist on a pipe organ.

The Joseph Jongen Symphonie Concertante has a better place in this list than the Saint-Saens symphony. The comment you posted Mr. Wang is a good information.

For instance, the list is too short to divide this domain in more sub-domains. Pipe organ is poorly used with orchestra and with symphony title.

But we must create another article listing the concertos for organ. With the Haendel works, organ concetos are more numerous.

Removal of Saint-Saens 3rd?
Unless this article be changed to encompass symphonies that feature an organ, the Saint-Saens 3rd should (maybe) be removed. If not, I don't understand why Mahler's second, third, and eighth and some other symphonies that require organ is not on this article. A. Wang (talk/contrb.) 15:04, 29 April 2006 (UTC)

How to solve problem ?
The "strictly organ" symphonies are absolutely another kind of music if you compare it with an orchestral symphony. Symphony for organ MUST BE played by (almost) one organist alone on a pipe organ only.

Said this, I would be right with you to remove the Saint-Saens symphony. But we have a very strange problem, due to folk : this "symphony not for organ but "with" organ" is well known by music lovers as "organ symphony" (look the article about it : Symphony No. 3 (Saint-Saëns)).

I propose an idea : divide this page in two parts (not necessary to create another entry for only and maximum five or six orchestral works using organ). First part for strictly organ solo pieces (true organs symphonies) and second part for orchestral symphonies with obliged organ (obliged and not simply required).

Remember that Saint-Saëns 3rd Symphony is a very famous work. Impossible to consider it without considering the pipe organ part.

Note also that musical pieces using orchestra and organ are commonly considered as concerto. So, we have ambiguous names like "symphonie concertante"... What is it ? A symphony ? A concerto ?

Probably neither one or other but both. In this particular case, we can insert this artwork in the second part of the page. Like I do now.

Misleading lead

 * "This page lists the best known symphonies for solo organ and symphonies for orchestra and organ."

That's hardly the case, considering the amount of redlinks found in this list. Toccata quarta (talk) 11:25, 21 August 2012 (UTC)