Talk:List of people from the London Borough of Barking and Dagenham

Why?
I don't think this article has any importance at all. I request deletion or merging. --An Enormous Laser Beam (talk) 18:51, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Citations required
Taken from the Dagenham article:


 * bobby moore englang captin world cup winner ✅ added with ref
 * sir tevor brooking
 * Dr George Carey, 103rd Archbishop of Canterbury (he held his last communion before retiring as archbishop in the same parish church of Dagenham where he received his first communion at the age of 17)
 * Sir Alf Ramsey, England's World Cup winning football coach, and also player
 * Martin Peters, scorer of the second goal in the 1966 World Cup Final, who was a Fanshaw schoolboy.
 * Ken Brown, former England footballer
 * Jimmy Greaves, former England footballer and
 * Terry Venables, former England footballer and manager
 * Sandie Shaw, singer that was in the Girls Life Brigade at Oxlow Lane Baptist Church ✅ added with ref
 * John Farnham, Australian pop-star
 * Dudley Moore, actor/musician/comedian ✅ added with ref
 * Jim Peters, 1952 Olympic games marathon hero and martyr
 * Neil Humphreys, journalist and writer
 * Eva Hart, Titanic survivor (died 14 February 1996) ✅ added with ref
 * Françoise Dior, Nazi who was arrested in Dagenham while living at the home of her secretary Terry Cooper
 * Tony Adams, Former footballer and captain of Arsenal and England, whose father Alex captained local team Stedfast that played in the Romford and District League, lived in Foxlands Road, Dagenham, and attended Hunters Hall Primary School and Eastbrook Comprehensive School, along with
 * Paul Konchesky, fulham fc and England footballer
 * John Terry, current England captain lived on the Thames View Estate in the Barking side of the Borough
 * Captain James Cook was also known to have lived in the borough ✅ added with ref
 * Jason Leonard, former England Rugby Union prop (who has more international caps than any other forward in history) was from Dagenham and attended Warren School
 * Dagenham Girl Pipers ✅ added with ref
 * Martin Gore of Depeche Mode was born and spent his early years in Dagenham
 * Stevie Shears worked and apparently lived there before forming Ultravox
 * Colin Larkin The founder, editor and writer  of the Encyclopedia of Popular Music
 * Pritesh Patel, Under 18 UK snooker champion
 * Michael Sean Martin, former University of Cincinnati and Minnesota Twins pitcher attended Robert Clack School
 * The Rubettes, 1970s band who had a number one hit with "Sugar Baby Love"
 * John Keating, actor
 * Neal Barry, actor
 * Glen Murphy, actor from TV's London's Burning series are all ex-Dagenham residents. Some members of
 * Diversity, members of the Britain's Got Talent winners are from Dagenham
 * Stacey Solomon, ITV X Factor 2009 Finalist Runner Up
 * Vic Barney, Played with Alf Ramsey for Fanshawe Old Boys. First Englishman to play football in Italian Serie A for Napoli 1945/46, Also played pro for Reading, Grimsby, Oxford Utd.

From this article:


 * Gary Baker (musician)
 * Giles Barnes
 * Billy Bragg ✅ added with ref
 * Trevor Brooking
 * Leanne Dobinson
 * The Edge
 * Tim Gane
 * Ross Kemp
 * Jason Leonard
 * Paul Konchesky
 * McCarthy
 * Bobby Moore ✅ added with ref
 * Brian Poole ✅ added with ref
 * Muhammad Tahir
 * John Terry
 * Bobby Zamora
 * Martin Gore, member of Depeche Mode.
 * Stevie Shears, guitarist of Tiger Lily, Ultravox, Cowboys International and Faith Global.

From Barking:


 * The Edge, lead guitarist of the Irish rock band U2.
 * John Terry, currently captain of both Chelsea F.C. and England national football team.
 * Shelly Poole, singer and songwriter.
 * Tim Gane, composer and co-founder of the British post-rock group Stereolab.
 * Bobby Moore, captain of the England World Cup winning team of 1966, also of West Ham United and Fulham. ✅ added with ref
 * Alex Walkinshaw, actor, stars in the ITV drama The Bill
 * Billy Bragg ✅ added with ref
 * McCarthy, 1980s indie pop band.
 * Jason Leonard, former rugby union prop.
 * Sir Trevor Brooking, football player turned manager, pundit and administrator.
 * Bobby Zamora, footballer currently of Fulham F.C., formerly of Bristol Rovers, Brighton and Hove Albion and Tottenham Hotspur and West Ham United.
 * Paul Konchesky, footballer currently of Fulham F.C. and formerly of West Ham United and Charlton Athletic.
 * Ross Kemp, actor whose notable roles include Grant Mitchell in EastEnders (first appearance in 1990 and most recent in 2006).
 * Leanne Dobinson, finalist of BBC One programme How Do You Solve A Problem Like Maria in 2006.
 * Brian Poole, lead singer with 1960s band The Tremeloes. ✅ added with ref
 * Giles Barnes, Footballer of Derby County.
 * Gary Baker (musician), musician, McCarthy.
 * Jamie Guy, footballer of Colchester United.
 * Lancelot Andrewes, late 16th/ early 17th century English scholar and clergyman, serving Queen Elizabeth I and King James I.
 * Saint Ethelburga of Barking, local saint, founder and first Abbess of the monastery.
 * Rochelle Wiseman, singer in pop group The Saturdays
 * Elizabeth Fry, Quaker philanthropist who campaigned for better treatment of prisoners, is buried in Barking. ✅ added with ref

Every entry must have a citation to be included. See List of people from Leeds for an example of best practice. MRSC (talk) 08:39, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

New additions

 * The Anonymous Nun of Barking - a twelfth-century Anglo-Norman poet who wrote a Life of Edward the Confessor
 * Clemence of Barking - a twelfth-century Anglo-Norman poet who wrote a Life of Saint Catherine
 * Goscelin of Saint-Bertin - eleventh-century historian of Anglo-Saxon saints who worked for the sisters of Barking Abbey

As will all entries to this article these need to be attributable to a reliable published source. MRSC (talk) 18:37, 9 February 2010 (UTC)


 * Trevor Brooking - 1966 World Cup Winner, brought up in Barking
 * John Terry former England captain and current Chelsea captain

Two more that require references to be included. MRSC (talk) 21:33, 2 March 2010 (UTC)

Section moved from User talk:MRSC
Hi. I appreciate your efforts here, but I think it's the wrong approach.

WP:CITE demands citations only for contentious material and/or quotes. I don't think the material you removed from that page is particularly contentious. I dislike edit-warring, so please can you restore it. Thank you. --Dweller (talk) 14:02, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * References are not optional. MRSC (talk) 18:45, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Can you please point me to the policy or guideline that insists that uncontroversial material without references should be blanked? You quoted WP:CITE as your reason for blanking, in your edit summary, which specifically, in its opening section, says the very opposite. --Dweller (talk) 21:49, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * WP:GRAPEVINE: "Remove any unsourced material to which an editor objects in good faith".  Racconish  Tk  22:11, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't see that text in WP:GRAPEVINE. But by citing that, you make my point. It actually reads, "Remove immediately any contentious material about a living person that is unsourced or poorly sourced." This is not contentious material. --Dweller (talk) 22:47, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I would tend to remove entries like that per WP:BURDEN: "The burden of evidence lies with the editor who adds or restores material. Any material lacking a reliable source directly supporting it may be removed. How quickly this should happen depends on the material and the overall state of the article." Although I would generally add a tag and leave for a couple of days to give the original editor to add the ref. After that, if they can't be bothered, delete at will.Lozleader (talk) 23:23, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Oh I just noticed that these entries are in the list at Talk:List of people from Barking and Dagenham, where it can clearly be seen what needs reffing. That looks like a better approach than putting stuff on the main page.Lozleader (talk) 23:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)
 * Sorry, per WP:BURDEN, how does saying that someone was born in one borough, rather than (perhaps) another, "damage the reputation of living persons"? No-one is accusing these people of smoking crack cocaine. This is an inappropriate sledgehammer approach, using BLP as an excuse. --Dweller (talk) 06:56, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks everyone for dealing with this. MRSC (talk) 06:10, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

However, if you would like to discuss policy further please do so on the appropriate policy discussion page, not here. MRSC (talk) 07:01, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * I think the guideline and policy alphabetty spaghetti that has been thrown around here (three so far - any more to come?) are all clear. I don't have a problem with the policies. It's your interpretation of them that's bothering me. --Dweller (talk) 07:14, 16 December 2010 (UTC)
 * --- end of section copied from user talk

Question
Does anyone seriously and in good faith suggest that including living people, without references, in a list of people from Barking and Dagenham is "contentious material" or could "damage the reputation of living persons"? --Dweller (talk) 12:16, 16 December 2010 (UTC)

Move discussion in progress
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Grade I and II* listed buildings in Bexley which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RMCD bot 11:48, 25 May 2017 (UTC)