Talk:List of performance poets

WayneRay 01:50, 2 April 2006 (UTC)WayneRay so is the list of dead links, anyone can make up a name, if they are real poets they should have a link or an article about them or should be deleted or at least the dead link deleted.

Difference
there is a diffrerence between performance artists Laurie Anderson and Vito Acconci and performance poet Hedwig Gorski, who made the distinction clear by writing poems only for performance with original music and not for print. Performance art used text, but it does not make that text performance poetry. Laurie Anderson would be better categorized as Spoken Word in the muddling logic system, but why not keep her in the category of art from which she arose and belongs, which is performance art, which is a genre that belongs in the history of visual art, such as painting, photography, and sculpture. Beat poets wrote for print and performed the print poems instead of just reading them. Spoken word, which is a broader category that include theater monologues, also contains narratives that is more akin to fiction prose than to poetry.

Let these separate categories remain separate from each other and performance poetry to allow them all to develop. Joining them together, I fear, will muddy the separate and distint definitions that print encyclopedias try to make clear and define exactly. We should aim to do the same. Let the experts help to create the listings for these very different newer genres. We can keep an eye on inferior text and inaccuracies. Lumping things together is probably premature. Thanks. What do you think? (artpoetry 19:02, 14 April 2008 (UTC))

As stated there are differences between the recordings of Burroughs, Linton Kwesi Johnson and Jello Biafra but these are all essentially the work of performence poets, whom upon creativing those distinct and differing works, i believe, would have considered their work to be principally Spoken Word & Performence Poetry.

I don't agree at all that they are the same. For the sake of accuracy you can't ascribe a term that defines a genre after the fact to writers who created their work years before the genre "arose" or was named. For example, Jello Biafra's work is not clearly related to the history of poetry/literature, and performance poetry is. Another danger is mis-information by the lumping together strategy by non-experts in the field. For exmaple, William Burroughs did not write poetry. He wrote fiction. So to lump him into the category of performance poetry would be innacurate. While Gorski later used his cut-up method to write poetry for verse drama, Burroughs developed his method to write fiction. There are distinct and important differences in these that qualify for genres, art forms, etc., instead of the muddling term of artistic styles. These terms need to be defined by experts in the relevent fields. This would be a great addition to the encyclopedia. The bottom line is that terms that are developed to describe a new genre, such as Dada or Performance Poetry, cannot be applied ad hoc to works that were created prior to the time when the term was created. One can point out the similarities, but you can't call James Joyce "Beat" for example, and lump his work into the "first thought best thought" concept promoted by Ginsberg just because Joyce used "stream of consciousness." These are two differenct methods from two distinct time periods in the history of literature, and they arose from two distinct genres. There is a danger of innacuracy with the muddling notion prescribed below.

The differences are as genres of music & style not of artform. the list is outdated for New Zealand and does not include Wellington's Word Collective or Auckland's The Literatti Literartist (talk) 05:16, 29 May 2008 (UTC)--