Talk:List of premiers of Alberta

Glitch
Either there's a nine-day overlap between the terms of Peter Lougheed and Don Getty, or there's a typo and "November 1" is supposed to be "November 10" (or vice versa). DS 20:30, 24 April 2006 (UTC)

Rename?
Should this be moved to List of Premiers of Alberta ta match the format used for other government leaders lists? --Arctic Gnome 15:49, 24 September 2006 (UTC)
 * Aye. &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 21:13, 2 October 2006 (UTC)
 * On second thought, it seems all Canadian leader lists are named like this... &mdash; Nightst a  llion  (?) 19:42, 19 December 2006 (UTC)

Haultain ?
Assuming this is a list for Alberta provincial Premiers. Haultain doesn't belong here. What does everyone think? GoodDay 20:01, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Technically, Haultain is not Premier, but he was Premier of the territory which, part of then became Alberta. I'd leave him in but to explain. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.246.86.66 (talk) 06:53, 17 August 2007 (UTC)

ref vs ref-note
The table had some footnotes; I used the ref-note system with the intent of differentiating those notes from the general references (those use the cite.php style). That has been converted several times (by differet editors), the result being that the footnotes migrate from the end of the table to the end of the page. My guess is that editors use automatic programs to convert between references style, but maybe there's something I'm missing. I thougt I'd discuss the issue here. Restored in the meantime. --Qyd 16:05, 25 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I have added footnotes at the bottom of the table because the notes and references were mixed together. 117Avenue (talk) 00:48, 27 March 2010 (UTC)

14th Premier
We should wait until Redford takes office, before labeling her as 14th. GoodDay (talk) 13:40, 3 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Why? Even if Stelmach dies before she is sworn in, she still becomes Premier. 117Avenue (talk) 00:24, 4 October 2011 (UTC)
 * Answers his own question. Oh, if she dies before. 117Avenue (talk) 00:25, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

"Official" swearing in"
Seeking to avoid an edit war, I am taking this to the talk page to resolve the disagreement. The issue s this sentence: “Premier Rutherford and his government were not officially sworn in until September 9, 1905.”

The point that I am making is that a swearing-in is by definition an official act. After someone taking a public office swears an Oath of Office, he or she can exercise the legal authority of that office – sign documents, etc. Before the swearing in, he or she does not hold the office. In some cases, e.g., the inauguration of a US president, an oath is sworn in private, and then repeated at a public ceremony, but in these cases, the person has assumed office after swearing the oath the first time.

User:117Avenue has argued that Rutherford may have been unofficially sworn in before September 9 by “Rutherford talking with Bulyea to become Premier”. Either there was an oath sworn, in which case Rutherford was sworn in and became premier during that private meeting. This would be no less “official” than a subsequent public swearing-in. Or, there wasn’t an oath sworn and Rutherford did not become premier during that private meeting.

In any event, Wikipedia reports what we know and not what we don’t know. We know that there was a public swearing in on September 9, so we can report that. We do not know if there was a private but equally “official” swearing in before that.

I propose to change the sentence to read: “Premier Rutherford and his government were not publicly sworn in until September 9, 1905.” Ground Zero | t 17:55, 25 January 2013 (UTC)
 * You claim that "before the swearing in, he or she does not hold the office", this is simply untrue. The office of the premier is an appointed duty, and Rutherford (and possibly Scott as well) was premier before the recorded public swearing in. An "only swearing in makes it official" theology is an American one, the Parliament of Canada records that Layton became Leader of the Official Opposition on election night, and the Prime Minister of Canada isn't required to swear an oath. I think to clarify the point that Rutherford's start of office was not normal, the note should clarify that the swearing in did not start the premiership or government. I support the change to "public sworn in". 117Avenue (talk) 03:28, 26 January 2013 (UTC)

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