Talk:List of presidents of the Philippines

Comment
Nice work Howard the Duck! --Noypi380 13:34, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks! The lead section needs a improvement, though. I'd want this to be a featured list someday.--Howard the Duck | talk, 14:07, 27 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Not just someday, but very soon. As early as now, I think it can be nominated already for a good list. :) --Noypi380 14:24, 27 April 2006 (UTC)

Presidential "family tree"
I found this article which explains how 12 of the 14 presidents of the Philippines are actually related--either by marriage or by blood. The "family tree" also includes prominent politicians, aristocratic clans, business magnates, television personalities, beauty queens, and Spanish-era war heroes. The article is in text form, hence, it will be interesting to see an illustration of it as a "family tree." Although personally, I will not encourage its posting in this article, it is worth making a new article out of it. As a person from the Philippines, the family tree is a tangible illustration of a prevailing theme/thesis in Philippine history/sociology. That the Philippine society is ruled by a small group--which has not really changed since the Spanish-era. The family that ruled before is still the family that ruled today. Joey80 02:34, 9 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Nice one Joey.. Did you see how related the American presidents are?... its amazing how people can traced the lineage of such distinguished people.. even Obama is related to the Bushes... peads (talk) 06:30, 24 June 2009 (UTC)

Disputed Content
Emilio Aguinaldo's government is recognized by the Philippine government. I think Laurel's is too. Statements that say otherwise contradict the rest of the content of the article. I've removed one paragraph in the overview that did that but the chart under unconfirmed presidents needs to remove one of the entries for Aguinaldo to reflect the recognition given to government with the declaration of independence on June 12, 1898. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Lambanog (talk • contribs) 21:43, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Copyright of Photos
I notice some photos are being removed because of copyright concerns. I would note, however, that some of them are over 50 years old and probably pass the Philippine criteria for entering into the public domain. Lambanog (talk) 18:59, 22 November 2009 (UTC)
 * If that's the case, then the images may be mistagged. I removed any which were tagged as non-free images, but you may want to go through and review them to make sure that they are appropriately licensed. I'm not familiar with Filipino copyright law, but I would bet that the Commons would have some useful resources to help. (ESkog)(Talk) 01:22, 23 November 2009 (UTC)

ALL PRESIDENTS FART
What is this? I see that someone vandalized the article as an insult. How can i remove the beginning vandalizing statement? 112.208.5.111 (talk) 14:29, 15 January 2013 (UTC) your so ugly kkkkkkk — Preceding unsigned comment added by 112.198.77.100 (talk) 08:56, 7 October 2014 (UTC)

inclusion of Jose Abad Santos, as acting president of the philippines
as stated in his biography. "When President Manuel L. Quezon left for the United States via Australia, Chief Justice Abad Santos was given the choice to leave with him. But the latter preferred to remain in the Philippines and carry on his work and stay with his family. President Quezon appointed him Acting President with full authority to act in the name of, and on behalf, of the President of the Philippines in areas unoccupied by the Japanese"

can someone please give am explanation about this?

--CommanderPhoenix (talk) 04:35, 29 April 2010 (UTC)
 * I think you have a point, Jose Abad Santos indeed became a acting president during World War II, but no laws exists that honor J. A. Santos as a Official President I recommend that search for furthermore reliable sources, if you find enough sources you can add Jose Abad Santos as an List of Unofficial President...-121.54.2.91 (talk) 13:03, 25 July 2011 (UTC)

thank you for that clarification but i think we can ask Ambeth Ocampo on facebook to give us a clarification for that matter and if this is true, we can place J.A Santos to the unofficial presidents of the philppines --CommanderPhoenix (talk) 06:42, 29 August 2011 (UTC)


 * That sort of clarification would not satisfy Wikipedia's verifiability policy. A bit of googling, however, turned up Wtmitchell  (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 07:37, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Ditch the PM
Anyone agree? – Howard  the   Duck  14:19, 8 June 2010 (UTC)
 * They have been removed. – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 07:03, 7 August 2010 (UTC)

Official portraits
As work of the Philippine government, they are of public domain. Why can't they be uploaded like the US Presidential portraits? --Truflip99 (talk) 00:10, 2 July 2010 (UTC)
 * They are not in the public domain. – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 06:55, 7 August 2010 (UTC)
 * I agree with Truflip99 that there would be an official portrait of every Filipino presidents, if ever my request granted this article will provide a better understanding to the readers...-121.54.2.91 (talk) 13:19, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * They can't be used under here WP:Fair use -- they can't even be used at the articles of the presidents per se unless the portrait is discussed too. Blame the government for crappy legislation. – H T  D  14:02, 25 July 2011 (UTC)
 * If possible, please provide an official portrait for the Philippine Presidents just like the US Presidential Portraits. The article will be more interesting. please grant my request...-121.54.2.91 (talk) 11:00, 19 July 2012 (UTC)
 * For some reason, the Wikimedia Foundation ruled that the portraits of the presidents produced by the Philippine government are under Fair use. That means they can only be used on the articles of the presidents themselves. There are two ways to bring back those official portraits here:
 * Convince the Wikimedia Foundation that the Philippine laws say that works published by the Philippine government aren't bound by fair use regulations.
 * Convince Congress to amend the law so that the Wikimedia Foundation can rule that works published by the Philippine government can be used anywhere.
 * This is problem not only in presidential portraits, or indeed in works published by the Philippine government; there are also issues when it comes to freedom of panorama where statues and works of art displayed publicly can't be used freely. Again, put the blame on crappy legislation. – H T  D  01:28, 20 July 2012 (UTC)

Any updates if the portraits can now be included? 121.54.54.58 (talk) 10:06, 9 July 2016 (UTC)

Dates of Aguinaldo's term(s)
A discussion taking place at Talk:President of the Philippines appears to impact this article as well. Some editors of this article may want to comment there. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:14, 8 November 2010 (UTC)

Aguinaldo
This edit tweaked the beginning date of Aguinaldo's presidency, saying "terms preceeding the First Philippine Republic are excluded". The article's lead section contains an assertion: "Emilio Aguinaldo's government wasn't officially recognized by the Government of the Republic of the Philippines until the term of Diosdado Macapagal. That assertion is supported by a citation of this source.

The cited supporting source is a Presidential Proclamation declaring Tuesday, June 12, 1962, as a special public holiday throughout the Philippines in commemoration of our people's declaration of their inherent and inalienable right to freedom and independence &mdash; it says nothing about officially recognizing any of Aguinaldo's various governments.

I am aware that Aguinaldo is generally considered in the Philippines as having legitimately held the office of President during his Malolos Republic presidency, and my guess is that the RP government of the does document that somehow, somewhere, but I haven't been able to find and verify a reliable source supporting that. This ought to be clarified and a verifiable RS cited which supports the clarification. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 06:27, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * The now defunct pangulo.ph only listed Aguinaldo's term as after the First Philippine Republic was declared, excluding everything before it such as the Malolos Congress and the Biak-na-Bato Republic. – HTD  ( ITN: Where no updates but is stickied happens. ) 08:22, 22 January 2011 (UTC)
 * On another article's talk page, here, I mention a source I found yesterday which seems workable here. I've rewritten the relevant paragraph of the lead and cited that source to support it. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 00:47, 23 January 2011 (UTC)

Calling all Wikipedians participating in this article
There is imminent vandalism occurring in this page, entering biased opinions and renaming presidents to something with no point whatsoever, for example: WE, as users seeking to keep general information strong, have to be cautious of any bad reference to maintain integrity of this article, and if not, all other articles. May messages be heard... NJKFalcon (talk) 20:26, 19 July 2011 (UTC)
 * Renaming Emilio Aguinaldo to "Rane Matute"
 * Renaming Benigno Aquino III to "Bulbulito Bayagyagis"

Second Dictatorship?
It is true that Emilio Aguinaldo was the first Filipino dictator of the Philippines (May 23-June 29, 1898) However, it is Jose P. Laurel who followed as the second Filipino dictator by declaring martial law in 1944 through Proclamation No. 29, dated September 21. Martial law came into effect on September 22, 1944 at 9:00 am. Therefore, the Marcos dictatorship must be the third one.
 * Pending a reference on the nature of the proclamation, it's quite convincing. However, there had been issues on labeling these as "first" and "second dictatorship" and so forth as no real history book labels it as such. Anyone has other ideas? – H  T  D  15:14, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
 * While it is true that most Philippine history books do not talk anything of Laurel's Martial Law, let us consider that this actually happened, as said in Nick Joaquin's Manila, My Manila, published 1990, and by this link. Arius1998 (talk) 05:30, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * How about the issue on calling it "first dictatorship" and so forth when no other book calls it as such? – H T  D  08:51, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * Well, since no book yet labels it as such, let's settle with something we can do, like Aguinaldo dictatorship. Besides, he only had it for a month, a sort of transition period before the Malolos Republic. What do you think? Arius1998 (talk) 10:43, 16 January 2013 (UTC)
 * I'm OK with that. – H T  D  11:00, 16 January 2013 (UTC)

The article still uses "second dictatorship", a term that I have never heard or read before, as HtD mentioned. Should we just remove them and leave "dictatorship" instead, or "martial law dictatorship" since the period is known as "martial law". --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 04:22, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * If it's too weird, I suggest "Marcos dictatorship". Or "Martial law under Aguinaldo/Marcos". I just liked ordinal numbers. "First Dictatorship", "Second Republic", etc. and thought it would've been consistent with the "Republics". – H T  D  12:18, 1 August 2014 (UTC)
 * Note: It seems that the time period for the Aguinaldo dictatorship isn't included in his term of office as president. There's this issue with Laurel having dictatorial powers too. Cory Aquino also ruled by decree during her first year in office. – H T  D  12:22, 1 August 2014 (UTC)


 * This Philippine Government web page on Aguinaldo's presidency leads off by saying as part of its header, "President of the First Republic : January 23, 1899 - March 23, 1901" (from the establishment date of the insurgent Malolos Republic to the date of Aguinaldo's capture by US forces). The body of the page mentions his terms as President of the Biak-na-Bato Republic, as Dictator of the Dictatorial Government, and as President of the Revolutionary Government as well, but it seems clear from that page that currently only Aguinaldo's term as President of the Malolos Republic is considered legitimate by the Philippine government for recognition as a Presidential term. I have updated the article to reflect this information, citing that source. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:45, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

Presidency during early American Colonial Period: "abolished" versus "defunct"; "occupied" versus "exercised"
When discussing the presidency after Aguinaldo but before the Commonweath, which is more neutral, accurate. and succinct: I would argue for using "defunct" instead of "abolished", "exercised" instead of "occupied", and with only one date. "Defunct" and "exercised" because the office just ceased to be. The Insular Government did not abolish the office because it never recognized the office nor the government which created the office. Same with "occupied" -- the Governor-General did not take over the office from Aguinaldo. There was no transition from Aguinaldo to the Governor-Generals. There was no transition team. The American governor-generals did not march into Aguinaldo's office, kick him out and start ruling. Instead, there was a fight between two separate claimants to be successors to Spanish rule. There were two governments and two executives who both claimed sovereignty over the Philippines, both claiming to be successors to the Spanish Governors-General and neither being predecessors of the others. The two fought a war and one side lost. Therefore one executive became defunct and its powers exercised by the other. It is not accurate to say that one executive was abolished (a word that implies an executive or legislative action); occupied (how can you occupy an abolished office?); or that one had a start date after the other (the American military governor took over directly form the Spanish in 1898 in Manila while Aguinaldo created a parallel executive outside of Manila). --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 05:18, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * "Abolished; occupied by the US Civil Governors of the Philippine Islands from July 4, 1901 to November 15, 1935.", or
 * "Defunct; executive power exercised by the Governor General of the Philippines under the American colonial Insular Government until November 15, 1935."?
 * Since there has been no comments after over two months, I will assume a WP:Consensus per Silence and consensus and make the edit. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 14:27, 9 April 2014 (UTC)
 * Support (belated expression thereof) per reasoning as explained above. Wtmitchell (talk) (earlier Boracay Bill) 02:03, 10 April 2014 (UTC)

Reasons I changed photos
I changed three photos -- of Osmena, of Gloria, and of PNoy. In reverse order, I think that we should use official portraits when available and so I put in PNoy's official portrait. I think that we should use head shots when available and we should be careful of NPOV especially in the background and so I put in a head shot of GMA without any military officials in the background (some argue that hers was a militarized administration). Finally, I think that we should use photos from as close to when they were in office as possible and so I put in a photo of Osmena from the 1930s when he was Vice President to replace a photo of him when he was younger. Feel free to disagree. --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 05:35, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * The only issue in photos is if they are allowed to be used here. If the photo can only be used under fair use conditions, it can't be used. As for official portraits, before, the official portraits were considered to be used only in fair use conditions, but I dunno their status now. – H T  D  05:40, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * I assumed that if the photos were on Wikicommons that they were allowed to be used. Is that not the case?  Should we remove these photos on Wikicommons?  --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 05:48, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * As long as the photos stay on Commons, it's OK. As for they should stay there, that's a different question. – H T  D  06:02, 25 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Re the GMA photo, which a few have changed a few times since my comment above ... User:Howard the Duck changed the photo and commented in the edit notes "GMA's face is too small here to be recognizable", which I agree with. The photo that he added is the same as the one used at Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo.  I think that we should use that photo -- the one used on main article on her on the right Gloria Macapagal Arroyo WEF 2009-crop.jpg-- until a better head shot comes along.  Beyond the NPOV issues of showing her with camouflaged soldiers in the background, I don't like the idea that the soldiers are not Filipino but American, not only for NPOV issues but because this is a Philippine topic, see right Gloria Macapagal Arroyo.jpg --Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 05:56, 29 January 2014 (UTC)
 * Some IP's hellbent on using the pic with soldiers... there's actually 2 pics he can't decide what to use (lol). – H T  D  09:19, 30 January 2014 (UTC)
 * No other comments. I assume therefore WP:Consensus and will change the photo.--Iloilo Wanderer (talk) 04:00, 28 February 2014 (UTC)
 * Just so and other users know: Commons allows for the free uploading of Philippine government-produced works. --Sky Harbor (talk) 23:43, 4 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 16 May 2016
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Prime Minister discussion
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Redesign and simplification
Sometimes less is more. See List of presidents of the United States, for example. The current table has too many columns (Former positions? Order in era?), is split into many tables instead of just one, and has 34 notes, with 9 subnotes! Presentation has become way too complicated. How about this:

(This was the format of the table before it became like this.) Here are the footnotes that should be retained: As for other footnotes we can perhaps explain that at length in prose. Howard the Duck (talk) 20:39, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
 * 1) Aguinaldo's term ended: Footnote 5
 * 2) Constitution didn't provide a VP: Footnote 7, 19 (same footnote moving forward)
 * 3) Died in office: Footnote 9, 21, 23 (same footnote moving forward)
 * 4) Liberal wing of the Nacionalista: Footnote 15
 * 5) Two wings of the Liberals: Footnote 17
 * 6) Martial law explanation: Footnotes 25-26 with the subnotes.
 * 7) Fourth Republic explanation: Footnote 30
 * 8) Aquino ascendancy: Footnote 31
 * 9) Estrada ouster: Footnote 33

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