Talk:List of programs broadcast by Cartoon Network (Canadian TV channel)/Archive 1

I have created this article because the other television channel articles, such as Disney Channel, Nickelodeon, and FOX have their own list of programming (see here, here, and here, respectively). The TELETOON article seems empty without such a list, so I created this. Comment on. --FlyingPenguins 01:20, 11 February 2007 (UTC)

Comment
I'd like to comment that you did a good job on the article FlyingPenguins. Good Work! —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Etownoilers (talk • contribs) 01:34, 23 February 2007 (UTC).

The Legend of the North Wind
The Legend of the North Wind is not on here. It used to air at 5 or 6 AM some years ago. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Yoshiroshin (talk • contribs) 03:32, 12 May 2007 (UTC).

'Confirmed' list
With a list of this nature, it's difficult to verify whether each and every past program listed is valid, but I've attempted to confirm some of them. In many cases, the only possible source of confirmation is through archived versions of Teletoon's official website, not all of which are available.

As of Feb. 21, 1998:

http://web.archive.org/web/19980221012557/www.teletoon.com/tvguide.htm - The different sections on this page are viewable.

List of programs mentioned:

Movies: Ninja Scroll, Patlabor 1 (aka Patlabor the Movie), Wings of Honneamise

Regular programs: 2 Stupid Dogs, Ace Ventura: Pet Detective, The Adventures of Paddington Bear, Albert the 5th Musketeer, Animal Crackers, Blazing Dragons, Cadillacs and Dinosaurs, Caillou, Captain Star, Cow & Chicken, Dog City, Donkey Kong Country, Duckman, Fireball XL5, Frame By Frame, Highlander: The Animated Series, Ivanhoe, The Jetsons, Johnny Bravo, Jonny Quest, Kassai & Luk, The Legend of Calamity Jane, The Legend of the North Wind, The Magic School Bus, Ned's Newt, Night Hood, The Nudnik Show, Pippi Longstocking, Pond Life, The Raccoons, Red Beard, The Ren & Stimpy Show, The Road Runner Show, Robinson Sucroe, Santo Bugito, Savage Dragon, Scooby-Doo, Where Are You!, The Simpsons, Splat!, Star Trek: The Animated Series, The Smoggies, Tales from the Cryptkeeper, The Tom and Jerry Show, The Triplets, WildC.A.T.s, The Wind in the Willows, The Yogi Bear Show, Young Robin Hood

Although it isn't outright mentioned, The Nudnik Show appears in the schedule for March 2, 1998, in the 10pm Thursday slot: http://web.archive.org/web/19980221023331/www.teletoon.com/new_schedule.htm

As of Oct. 12, 1999:

http://web.archive.org/web/19991012071308/teletoon.com/block.htm

List of programs mentioned: The Addams Family, The Adventures of Teddy Ruxpin, Animania, Bad Dog, Blake and Mortimer, The Head, The Maxx, The Sylvester and Tweety Mysteries, Taz-Mania, Tom & Jerry Kids, Voltron: The Third Dimension, Wacky Races

This is a work in progress. Fifthship (talk) 23:39, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

Dispute: The Simpsons, Butt-Ugly Martians, and more
Kagome 77 and I are having an active dispute on whether these two programs should be included in the list. I've argued that they should; Kagome argues the opposite. I wanted to bring this here so that more things could be said and to prevent an edit war. I read THIRD, which recommended setting up a talk page discussion before requesting a third opinion. Outside parties are invited, even urged, to discuss this, as well.

Here's your argument as I see it, Kagome. At least two times, you stated that a spokesperson on the phone checked the list of shows aired (1, 2). You also don't believe the sites I've provided are reliable, and that they are akin to "some site like "iloveteletoon.com"" (3, 4). Please correct me if I'm wrong, but the impression that quote has on me is that you believe any links I provided were to fan sites.

When you deleted two shows I added (Butt-Ugly Martians, The Simpsons; see link no. 1), I made a detailed response in your talk page explaining why those two should stay (5). In that message I provided links to multiple websites supporting my case. I also said that you could drop a reply to me if you had any concerns with my post, like disagreements, for example. The reason I said this was because I did not want to revert your edit right after, in case you had something to say. When you blanked out my post with no reply (6), I did not know what to think at first. Perhaps you were surprised that I came to your talk page unexpectedly? Maybe the length of my message intimidated you somehow? I couldn't tell what you were thinking at the moment. I was left to assume if you agreed or not. Since you acknowledged my post enough to delete it, I decided that you read it. And since you did not answer, I slanted toward the notion that you agreed with me.

I posted a message in your talk page again (7), addressing this. Your view was still unclear, but I did let you know that I would have reverted the edit shortly after my second post. And I did (8). I didn't feel that it would be respectful if I took action without at least giving you my two cents. I welcomed you to reply to me nonetheless. I was happy when you finally did reply (9), because from the tone of that post, it looked like we reached a compromise. So, I considered things to be settled.

Now, let me just say this: There are no ill feelings toward you; I say that with certainty. With that, I hope you don't take offense to what I'm about to reveal. This is nothing personal, but I feel the following should be known.

This is where things began to smell fishy to me. Shortly after my revert, you, as an IP user, deleted those same programs I added back to the list. I did not notice this until days after, because I thought the shows were still there the whole time. I came to your talk page once again expressing my concerns about this, courting an explanation (10). This time, I was more blunt with what I said, because I felt there was no reason to deny my thoughts on this, considering it is connected to our dispute. Of course, I made sure to keep it respectful. As you make a habit of doing in your talk page, you simply blanked my message without giving a response (11).

It was around this time that I realized you had been using other IP addresses in the same range, using similar arguments (12a and 12b, 13, 14, 15). You even used at least two older username accounts, Piggywiggy2446 (16) and Sango 84. Technically, all of these accounts, along with your current Kagome account, should be listed as suspected sockpuppets of Piggywiggy.

But for now, I'm using these links for reference. Let's address your arguments. In link 14, you again claim "I checked this info with a teletoon representative" in one of your edit summaries. Let's disregard the show mentioned here (Pepper Ann) and focus on that part of your summary. In link 15, you write in one of your summaries: "The Simpsons has NEVER aired on Teletoon, I asked my uncle, who is working with Teletoon and has worked with them since the station started." So we can gather that this Teletoon representative is your uncle, correct? But in link 16, you use a different article, List of programs broadcast by YTV, to say your uncle worked at YTV from its launch as reasoning to remove shows. Are you saying that your uncle works for both YTV and Teletoon? No one can be sure that you're telling the truth from here. Regardless, it isn't enough to remove shows that have been part of the lists for over a year. Mentioning personal conversations or relatives is hearsay. At most, all you can do is provide "citation needed" tags for certain programs that others have claimed to watch, unless they are added by obvious vandalism. Even though I have tried numerous times to address this to you via your talk page - minus the citation part - you blank my posts and ignore me.

Now here are the sites that I provided on your talk page for you to view:

For The Simpsons: http://web.archive.org/web/19991013005617/teletoon.com/Highlights_En.htm and http://www.awn.com/mag/issue2.6/2.6pages/2.6newstelevision.html

For Butt-Ugly Martians: http://www.animationmagazine.net/article/578

More recently, you wrote off these sites either as not reliable or, in your words, "some site like "iloveteletoon.com", which seems to imply that they're fan sites. This is far from the truth. All the web.archive.org sites I posted, including in this talk page, are old versions of Teletoon's official website. web.archive.org is a tool for browsing through past versions of websites. Animation World Network and Animation Magazine are beyond mere fan sites. I don't think you have taken enough of a look at them to properly judge, and the "iloveteletoon.com" remark is a wild exaggeration.

Looking through the whole history of the page, I see that you've also deleted the following: Billy the Cat, Dragon Ball Z, Flying Rhino Junior High, Lolita, The Adventures of Tintin, and Yakkity Yak. All of them had been added by other users, and with the exception of Lolita, all have remained for over a year until you deleted them under IPs and accounts. I can't speak for everyone, but I remember seeing every single one of these programs on Teletoon, and no one else editing the page appeared to have a problem with them. But I myself am not above everyone, so I can't just claim something without verification, either. That's why I provided these sites to you. Well, one good thing that came out of our recent talk was our consensus that it wouldn't hurt to add "citation needed" tags beside questionable shows. I'll give you the credit for bringing up that idea.

Finally, I would like to say that I'm not out to get you. I'm afraid that I may have put some negative impression on you, but it's difficult for me to tell because of your refusal to communicate with me properly in the past. If my messages are lengthy at times, I only do it to include to cover all bases. I went to your talk page because I thought it would be more productive than an edit war I wouldn't want to start over what seemed minor. After all, you can only get across so many things in edit summaries. I'm afraid that you were possibly bothered by me, so at times I was hesitant to communicate; never would I want to make people feel unwelcome.

This is all I have to say to begin. Fifthship (talk) 20:33, 16 February 2009 (UTC)

I'm not going to debate, I don't care if you use the source you say is good at this point, I have way more important things to deal with in my own "real" life right now. However, I will try to look for the number I used to contact teletoon, that was a few weeks ago, and I now can't seem to find it, and I can't remember it, as I have other things on my mind. Kagome 77 (talk) 14:23, 17 February 2009 (UTC)

I vote that Fifthship's well-researched and well-documented and cross-reference-able material should be included over Kagome 77's uncorroborated hearsay apparently obtained from a random anonymous employee with no apparent credentials and whom cannot be confirmed to have had access to reliable records. Seriously, stating that you are too lazy or otherwise unwilling to discuss your proposed edits is equivalent to saying they're not not worth other people considering.--24.212.154.123 (talk) 20:16, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Wow, funny that they're trying to deny those shows. Remember all those too Fifthship- thanks for bringing up Lolita, I've been trying to remember the name of that one for years. Yeah, they were all on the channel- of course, my words as good as anyone elses, right? I can't believe that Teletoons denying that they ever aired the Simpsons. If you look on Youtube you can find old station ids that show previews for it and the like, such as this one http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jHVbGNLMzA. Don't know if it counts as citation. Tutsuro (talk) 03:20, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

6teen
Didn't 6teen end? How can 6teen season 5 be coming in "TBA 2014"? The page referenced is not loading (is it just me?), but last time I checked, nothing about 6teen was mentioned. Video64Games (talk) 00:42, 31 March 2013 (UTC)

Obscure Show
I remember there used to be this cartoon in the 90s about this group of aliens living together on Earth. There was this orange one and all he did was watch tv and drink pop all day, a blue one who ate a lot, a red one with two heads, a green, effeminate clean freak, and a purple on who was their leader (I think he was more sophisticated than the others). Anyone else remember this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by ElbowLick (talk • contribs) 21:01, 21 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Just in case someone is still wondering about this, the show in question is clearly Space Goofs. Mdrnpndr (talk) 17:27, 12 February 2015 (UTC)

Layout change
User:Dcbanners and others, please do not change the layout of this list without prior discussion here. There are specific reasons as to why the list is laid out the way it is. Mdrnpndr (talk) 17:18, 12 February 2015 (UTC)
 * User:71.29.122.168, the reason that the upcoming programming should be first (besides being more generally relevant since current programming includes reruns) is that it's by far the section most prone to dubious changes. If it's in the middle of the page it automatically receives far less scrutiny. If you don't want to revert your edit yourself, I'd appreciate it if you commented here with an explanation as to why you think this rationale doesn't work. Mdrnpndr (talk) 20:37, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

It's just the upcoming list is supposed to be more like a waiting list, and that having the upcoming list be first instead of the current run list just makes it more like a bad list. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.29.123.127 (talk) 01:10, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Well, the other thing to consider (as I briefly mentioned above) is that we as Wikipedia editors are here for the readers first and foremost. If someone stumbles upon this list, what do you think they're more likely to be interested in: brand new shows that may be coming very soon (days in some cases), or shows that happen to currently be on the schedule but that may be many years old and only airing reruns? Also note that with this organization we have a timeline order (future, present, past) whereas with the other one this wouldn't be the case. Mdrnpndr (talk) 01:18, 15 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Although that's your opinion and most of the Wikipedia editors don't work like that. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.29.120.238 (talk) 21:22, 21 March 2015 (UTC)
 * Of course that's my opinion, much as the opposing view is yours. I don't see anyone else commenting in this section... who are these "most of the Wikipedia editors" you're talking about? (By the way, I suggest you take the time to indent your post next time to avoid irritating other editors involved in the discussion.) Mdrnpndr (talk) 22:52, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

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The Squish Show
The series never actually aired in 2017. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.19.233.194 (talk) 01:26, 10 January 2018 (UTC)