Talk:List of public art in Dublin/Archive 1

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The article says the Auld Bitch was sold to Sydney, when I've always been told it was indefinately lent to the state of Victoria, which namewise is more logical anyway.

Anyone know for sure?

Kiand 13:15, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Seems unlikely that they gave it to Victoria since Sydney is in New South Wales.User:Palx

This article seems to be almost entirely about Dublin. There's a whole country outside that city

See the title Dublin statues and their nicknames.That Dublin bit probably explains your brilliant and well thought out question.


 * For your information, User:Fenian Swine, this page was originally titled as Irish statues and their nicknames, as can be seen in the page history. Insults do no one any favours. --Kwekubo 02:59, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Is this why you quetioned my name on my user page.--Fenian Swine 18:45, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It is not - I questioned your name because it could be construed as insulting. --Kwekubo 20:57, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

The statue was apparently a gift to the people of Sydney. It now stands outside the Queen Victoria Building.

Floozie in the Jacuzzi.
She was also known as the Whore in the Sewer because of the filth in the fountain.

The Grave of the Unknown Gurrier
deserves a mention, but I don't know the dates for this. Notjim 21:37, 9 Mar 2005 (UTC)

which Dublin statue is this

The Tomb of the Unknown Gurrier has been added to the article.Palx 20:28, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

Strictly speaking the Tomb of the Unknown Gurrier and the Bowl of Light were different things. The Tomb was a flower plot on the traffic island in the middle of the bridge. It was of similar dimensions to a burial plot in a cemetry. The Bowl, which was adjacent to it, was to commerate the Tostal. They were both attacked and destroyed by communist rioters. --ClemMcGann 12:10, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

I picked this up at http://forums.archiseek.com/showthread.php?p=31079 According to Frederick O'Dwyer in 'Lost Dublin' the Bowl of Light (basically a plastic coal-effect fire set on tubular steel arches) was unveiled in April 1953 as part of a series of events to attract exiles home under the title of An Tostal. It was soon infamously dubbed 'The Tomb Of The Unknown Gurrier' by Jimmy O'Dea. It met it's end when a group of undergraduates hurled it into the Liffey a fortnight later. The fountain was subsequently drained and turned into a flowerbed known as 'The Thing' until the Corpo reinstated the lantern sets in the mid-60's. -''I've tidied up the entry to try and reflect this. I do remember the flowerbed as a kid in the sixties and the story that somebody was buried there. It always seemed a bit daft to this youngster to have somebody buried on a bridge :)''Palx 20:17, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


 * At least you recall the suggestion that someone was buried in the flower-patch.
 * The bowl of light was thrown into the liffey during a riot. Many shops were looted at the same time.  Clery’s had all their windows smashed.  --ClemMcGann 22:07, 15 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Infamously dubbed 'The tomb of the Unknown Gurrier', yes. By Jimmy O' Dea, no. Myles na gCopaleen, I think you'll find. 19:49, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Oscar Wilde
Another nickname for the Oscar Wilde statue is 'The queer in the square'.

"gaudy" statue is POV, so I've changed it

Accuracy and NPOV
This article breaks NPOV rules by not setting objective criteria by which supposed names can be judged. Many of them are largely unheard of and may be completely made up. The article needs to set as its criteria the use of a nickname that is (i) objectively verifiable; (ii) widely used. Many of them are of example used in print or by folklorists, or have been heard by them and so verified by them. But unless objective evidence of its existence can be shown, a supposed nickname should not be used here. Otherwise the article will simply become a pile of real names, made up names, jokes by vandals, "I once heard someone in a pub call it that" entries, etc. Fear ÉIREANN \(caint)  22:14, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Agreed. For the record, I never heard of "Flatulent auld bitch" --ClemMcGann 23:14, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * It's straight out of James Joyce, an author well known by literate Dubliners:

Chapter IIb - Ulysses (Page 42)

--CONSPUEZ LES FRANCAIS, says Lenehan, nobbling his beer.

--And as for the Prooshians and the Hanoverians, says Joe, haven't we had enough of those sausageeating bastards on the throne from George the elector down to the German lad and the flatulent old bitch that's dead?

Jesus, I had to laugh at the way he came out with that about the old one with the winkers on her, blind drunk in her royal palace every night of God, old Vic, with her jorum of mountain dew and her coachman carting her up body and bones to roll into bed and she pulling him by the whiskers and singing him old bits of songs about EHREN ON THE RHINE and come where the boose is cheaper.

--Well, says J. J. We have Edward the peacemaker now.

--Tell that to a fool, says the citizen. There's a bloody sight more pox than pax about that boyo. Edward Guelph-Wettin!


 * Thanks for the reference. However I have never heard the statue referred to in those terms --ClemMcGann 10:23, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Kiand has written the following, on Jtdirl's usertalk page:

Auld Bitch: Thats what that statue was called by locals at the time, and we use the "floozie in the jacuzzi" and "tart with the cart" nicknames in the article, so personally I can't see why we can't use the Auld Bitch one.. --Kiand 21:43, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * I'll just say that as a non-dub born after the statue was removed, I'd heard the nickname extensively... --Kiand 22:08, 21 August 2005 (UTC)

It appears I added the term to the article in the first place, so I may as well comment that, similarly to Kiand, I was born in Dublin after the statue's removal but I can recall seeing the term referenced in some book or article that I no longer have to hand. It wasn't Ulysses though.--Kwekubo 20:57, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Auld Bitch stands as far as my vote counts.Palx 20:26, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

vprotected
This page, and a group of others, has been targeted by a series of sockpuppets, almost certainly of a banned user. I've had to vprotect them all. Sorry for any inconvenience. Fear ÉIREANN \(caint) 23:45, 21 August 2005 (UTC)
 * Slight error on the protection (its not) there. --Kiand 23:53, 21 August 2005 (UTC)


 * It was there. I looked at the last removal and the material removed doesn't look like vandalism but disputed content.  It looks to me as if, in citing Ulysses, the editor was going some way towards sourcing the epithet "auld bitch", although the section in question refers not directly to the status but to the deceased queen  herself: "And as for the Prooshians and the Hanoverians, says Joe, haven't we had enough of those sausageeating bastards on the throne from George the elector down to the German lad and the flatulent old bitch that's dead?" (my italics).  It isn't enough, though, in my opinion.  Please sort this out amicably. I've unprotected.


 * I find the epithet very plausible; Joyce had a famous ear for the talk in the Dublin street so if he uses the term "old bitch" it seems likely to me that the term was a common one used about Queen Victoria in Dublin of the early twentieth century. But it isn't enough to support this attribution to the statue in the face of opposition--Tony Sidaway Talk 14:02, 22 August 2005 (UTC)

Phyl Lynott and attempt to fix display of images
I've added the recently unveiled Phil Lynott statue which I found on the biographical article. As the display of images here looked a bit of a mess I've tried rearranging the ones on the right hand side by putting them into two tables, each with one row per image, aligned to the right of the page. I've settled for 100 pixels size on these images--on the small side but more suitable for these tall, thin images of statues and monuments, I think.

While this works very well on my browser and seems esthetically pleasing to my eye, if it messes things up or looks unsightly for you please revert and I can find another way of adding the Phil Lynott image tidily. --Tony Sidaway Talk 13:31, 24 August 2005 (UTC)

Nice addition, you're on the ball! Yv 21:48, 26 August 2005 (UTC)

The nickname the Dubs have lovingly given Phil's statue is The ace with the Bass

The nickname for Phil Lynott I heard is anything but loving. It would probably draw the attention of racial equality groups so I'm not repeating it but just will say it rhymes with the name of the pub McDaids located beside the statue. go figure.Palx 21:19, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Letter in today's Irish Independent
The people involved in the "auld bitch" debate above might be interested to read this letter in today's Indo. Demiurge 16:20, 24 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Hmmm. A Peter from Australia enquiring about the Queen Victoria statue. Could it possibly be Skyring? (Even he's hardly so pathetic as to write to newspapers on the other side of the planet as part of his sockpuppet campaign? Or is he?) Fear ÉIREANN [[Image:Ireland coa.png|10px]]\(caint)  01:24, 29 August 2005 (UTC)


 * Isn't email wonderful! --ClemMcGann 02:00, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

When waddaya know. It was him. He admits it on his Livejournal. So I guess we can expect Skyring Sockpuppet No 20 to hit this page again. (The irony is, he still doesn't realise that everyone on Wikipedia is laughing at him!!!) And he even moans "Wikipedia continues to perplex me . . . I cannot say that I am entirely comfortable with people hunting me down. There's some odd people on Wikipedia." Boo shucks. Now that's told Wikipedia off. If he doesn't like the attention maybe he shouldn't have used at least 19 sockpuppets to target in the month since his ban. lol Fear ÉIREANN \(caint)  02:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Libery Scaling the Heights
Her nickname would probably draw the attention of WikiProject Wikipedians for Decency. So I'm not adding it ;) --ClemMcGann 01:21, 29 August 2005 (UTC)

Lost all the Nicknames
This page has had some serious change but no discussion why. It's title is no longer appropriate.

Needed a bit of tidying up. More to be done. Feel free.

all back now in detail. ok ?Palx 20:19, 15 September 2005 (UTC)

The Rabbit statue on Grafton Street
seems it's not a rabbit at all but a hare. i've binned the entry since it's a touring work of art (for want of a better description) and it's leaving at the end of september to blight some other unfortunates.Palx 14:50, 16 September 2005 (UTC)

just a quick note to say the ridiculous monstrosity is gone. phew. well done Dublin City Council. whatever will you spend on our taxes on next ? Palx 21:21, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

Wolfe Tone
On a recent visit to Ireland, I was told that the Wolfe Tone statue is also known as Tonehenge. I don't remember where it was though. User:Mu Cow Sept. 28th You mean is or was ? Wolfie got blown up 26 years ago ! anybody shed some light on this please. we might have a new nickname. Pal X 22:37, 28 September 2005 (UTC)

It was blown up in February 1971, wasn't it in or around St. Stephen's Green? Neal

What? There has been a statue of Wolfe Tone on Saint Stephen's Green facing Merrion Row Bank of Ireland and the Huguenot cemetery all my life- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wolfe_Tone (that wikipedia entry said it was designed by Edward Delaney in 1967) I saw it last about three weeks ago. What statue are you two talking about? El Gringo 03:00, 9 April 2006 (UTC)

blown up 1979. since rebuilt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Delaney Palx 08:20, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Jim Larkin 'Quotation'
The quotation under the image of the Larkin statue is from Jim Connolly's writing. Plus the text of the quotation is wrong. The actual line uses the first person plural. 20:01, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

'The Construction and Destruction of a Colonial Landscape'
I came across this superb academic study when I did a Google search of the William of Orange statue that was blown up in Boyle years ago (in 1945, according to this article). It's very rich in detail so if any of you have the time, this article (or a newly created one) will be greatly enhanced by it: http://www.ggy.bris.ac.uk/personal/YvonneWhelan/HistoricalGeographyArtice.pdf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.119.173 (talk) 20:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)