Talk:List of public sector organisations in New Zealand

Checking against SSC list
I regularly check against the list at the State Services Commission. It's not a direct rip as far as I'm concerned, as I need to edit it a little for M&#257;ori names, trading names, subdepartmental services and so on. The SSC list, really, is just a minimal list of quangos and organisations they can find. :) IMHO. --Jonathan Ah Kit 08:41, 22 Jan 2004 (UTC)
 * On the contrary, the SCC lists are *the* definitive source, based on legislation and a clear classification of organisation types. Much of this page is out of date, some of it pre 2003/2004.  It needs a thorough review.  I will add it to my watchlist, but it is such a big job it really needs more than one person.  --Januarian (talk) 12:25, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Are universities crown entities?
Are universities crown entities?? I thought they were independent? Abeorch 07:30, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Yes, tertiary education institutions such as universities that are bodies corporate established under Part 14 of the Education Act 1989 are Crown entities under the Crown Entities Act Part 1 Sect 7. Nurg (talk) 05:19, 30 March 2008 (UTC)

Former crown entities
Should we be including previous crown entities.. Such as the RHA's and CHE's? I think it would be really good to capture all of the restructuring that went on. Eg history of TVNZ had organisation name swapped from BCNZ to NZBC .. show's just how manic NZ government really can be Abeorch 04:12, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
 * Create redirect pages to the current name and make sure the former names are mentioned in the History sections. --Midnighttonight 08:10, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Māori names
Is there really any need to have so much maori language in this article? It just gets in the way of reading. This is the English wikipedia after all. Furthermore, it does not add, but rather detracts from the Encyclopaedic quality of the article. --Hayden5650 09:32, 23 March 2007 (UTC)Hayden5650
 * I believe that these are alternate and legal names of the organisations. It would not be appropriate not to list them. I haven't checked, but there should also be a redirect from the Māori name to the English one for each organisation that has an article.- gadfium 09:56, 23 March 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand the the Māori parts of the names are part of the full legal names of these organisations, they are not alternate Māori names. A significant amount of thought goes into choosing a meaningful name, especially in Māori and also in English. Removing the Maori invites culturally more sentive editors to put them back, promptly. While I agree that almost all of these organisations are commonly known by their English shorter form, except Te Puni Kōkiri (which is almost never called the Ministry of Māori Development), Te Māngai Pāho (Māori Broadcast Funding Agency) and Te Papa (Museum of New Zealad), I think including the Māori version actually makes the article more Encyclopaedic rather than detracting from it. -- Cameron Dewe 08:41, 24 June 2007 (UTC)

Naming conventions for Government Agencies
This version of the article uses the apparent convention New Zealand Agency Name for many agencies, with some having links to articles. This is not the way these departments are normally referred to in a New Zealand context and so probably does not really follow Naming conventions. While the resulting article names are unique, they are not natural and, as a reader, my common sense objects to them all starting with New Zealand as that is obvious from the context. Also, the Naming conventions (government departments and ministers) suggests that most of these government agencies article names be (pre-)disambiguated with a (New Zealand) suffix, not a prefix, as follows Agency Name (New Zealand), unless the words New Zealand, or something equally unambiguous connected to New Zealand so that will not be repeated in another country, appear in the name itself. To me it is also a real pain having to remember to rename all my wiki links to the correct article, rather than simply using a disambiguator convention of adding the | character at the end of the wiki link to hide the (New Zealand) disambiguator in the wiki-link and let the wiki do the hard work. Besides, all the articles with the correct disambiguators soon get created as redirect pages. -- Cameron Dewe 11:34, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Your suggestion seems sensible to me, but I suggest waiting for at least a week before renaming existing articles in case anyone comes up with a good reason why the current naming scheme was adopted. I'll add a note to Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (government departments and ministers) as further advertisement of this proposal.- gadfium 20:17, 8 July 2007 (UTC)
 * While I agree that Department of Conservation (New Zealand) is better than New Zealand Department of Conservation, along with most "Ministry of ..." names, I find Army (New Zealand) much less intuitive than New Zealand Army. Ditto for the New Zealand Defence Force, New Zealand Police, New Zealand Customs Service, and so on. So I think some care is needed here. -- Avenue 05:30, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The official names of some agencies such as New Zealand Police, New Zealand Customs Service, Statistics New Zealand and New Zealand Fire Service Commission include the name New Zealand, so no disambiguation is required. Similarly, agencies that use a Maori name are probably exclusively recognisable as New Zealand entities, so do not need disambiguation either. There do not appear to be specific naming conventions for military organisation but I think the normal usage is to prefix the country name to the military force, thus New Zealand Army is the prefered name. Besides, the naming conventions call for common sense. I am not proposing that articles about the organisations with New Zealand already in their official name have their titles changed. -- Cameron Dewe 09:41, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Thanks for clarifying that. The distinction wasn't obvious to me in your original proposal. -- Avenue 14:34, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * Before any changes are made to the titles of existing articles I would suggest that a separate discussion be raised on each article's talk page to determine the best name for the article. -- Cameron Dewe 10:02, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree with this proposal. I think that articles should be named according to the official name of the organisation in question. If the organisation's name does not include "New Zealand", then the Wikipedia artcile title should not include "New Zealand", except as a form of disambiguation (following the title, in brackets). This would mostly apply to government ministries and departments. Ronline ✉ 13:54, 9 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I have changed the red wiki links, indicating no articles exist, in the article and, lo and behold, found more oganisations. To me this suggests that others who are unaware of this page have naturally named articles following the proposed convention already. -- Cameron Dewe 09:41, 10 July 2007 (UTC)

Affected articles
The following articles appear to be affected by the proposal above to rename titles according to Naming conventions (government departments and ministers).


 * New Zealand Department of Corrections
 * New Zealand Department of Internal Affairs
 * New Zealand Department of Labour
 * New Zealand Education Review Office
 * New Zealand Ministry of Defence
 * New Zealand Ministry of Economic Development
 * New Zealand Ministry of Education
 * New Zealand Ministry of Fisheries
 * New Zealand Ministry of Foreign Affairs and Trade
 * New Zealand Ministry of Health
 * New Zealand Ministry of Social Development
 * New Zealand Department of Child, Youth and Family Services
 * New Zealand Ministry of Transport
 * New Zealand Treasury
 * New Zealand Human Rights Commission

Please discuss the renaming of these articles on their talk pages, not here. -- Cameron Dewe 11:04, 15 July 2007 (UTC)

Legislated name vs operational name
Legislation in 2008 created the "New Zealand Transport Agency". But the NZTA seems to exclusively use "NZ Transport Agency". Which to use? Discussion started. Nurg (talk) 00:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

Autonomy of New Zealand Food Safety Authority
As of the 1st of July 2007, NZFSA was separated from MAF and gained status as an autonomous public service, this should be reflected in the list. Resonantinverter (talk) 09:02, 28 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Fixed, thanks.- gadfium 17:36, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

CERA
How does the Canterbury Earthquake Recovery Authority fit into all of this?  Schwede 66  07:42, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

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