Talk:List of publicised titan arum blooms in cultivation

Article deletion?
I wonder if this article is still notable, since it can no longer even come close to keeping track of even the majority of blooms. I notice when a particular bloom in the list isn't linked with an article source that it is tagged with "citation needed", but these have become so commonplace that they often aren't being reported (or picked up) by the media, so there are no citations. There are individual growers with hundreds of these plants each, and nearly every botanical conservatory in the nation has multiples of these. So notability is the first reason. The article does technically state that it's a partial list, which makes it technically correct, but the real implication is that these are the majority of all blooms in cultivation (very far from true). So the second reason is the incorrect implication/premise of the whole article.

Third is the decidely anglo-centric nature of the article. Where are all the Japanese, etc. blooms? There is only one location in Indonesia and only one bloom listed in Australia. There is no way this list could ever catch up, as they are becoming more & more common around the world. It's just not relevant anymore, and I don't believe it ever can be. What do you think? -- Tom Hulse (talk) 04:37, 31 March 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't think we should throw out the baby with the bathwater. Even if the list is incomplete, there's value in it. These things usually get substantial media coverage and could each individually probably satisfy the criteria to have an article. Common sense suggests that would be too much so a list seems appropriate to me there. As for the anglo-centric nature, we'll hopefully that will slow fix itself. Some information, even biased information, is better than no information. Jason Quinn (talk) 18:56, 15 March 2012 (UTC)


 * I think it's unfair to criticize an english-language article for being anglocentric in the way you describe. Are there versions on wikis in other languages?  Also, I don't think a citation needs to be an independent media source, it can be the garden's own website or offline newsletter.  As long as people don't show up at a place with no inflorescences. --Nessie (talk) 15:48, 16 March 2012 (UTC)

Specimen in Basel blooms the 3rd time
The article states the titan arum blooms the second time in Basel while Basel unversity's webpage states that it already blooms the third time now (1936, 2011, 2012). --Diggindeeper (talk) 17:14, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

In addition, the University of Basel offers a list of titan arum blooms in botanical gardens worldwide from 1889 to the present that covers some more examples from Europe, Indonesia and Japan that are missing in the Wikipedia list. --Diggindeeper (talk) 11:32, 22 November 2012 (UTC)

Reference
The University of Wisconsin page used as a source for many of the entries is at a new address. Sourcing could be cleaned up, but I'm not going to tackle it at the moment. Leaving the new wisc page here for future reference. Plantdrew (talk) 15:42, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

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Should the list have a cut off date?
Recently over at WikiProject Plants there was a discussion started by @Plantdrew about if this list ought to continue listing all the blooms in cultivation or if newer events are lacking in WP:Notability. I'm inclined to agree with Plantdrew that they are becoming common enough that maybe the list ought to be only through 2000 or 2008 or the first 120 or something of that nature. But I see that you're still working on the article @Socalphoto, @DWorley, @Iseult, and @Astronomeralex. Do you think that it is getting too hard to make the list complete? Is it trivial?

-🌿MtBotany (talk) 20:59, 26 August 2023 (UTC)


 * considering the habits of fellow editors, I don't think it's particularly difficult to keep this complete or close to complete. Blooms in captivity, if you will, are generally publicized due to their temporality. In re the notability question, first of all, it's pretty clear that this list has valid inclusion criteria. Then the cutoff seems arbitrary to me--why cut it off at all if there's no question of notability except that of dilution? If it comes to it, wouldn't splitting the list be better? Iseult   Δx parlez moi 17:16, 29 August 2023 (UTC)


 * This is a long way from complete. Missouri Botanical Garden has had 14 blooms to date and only 3 are listed. Olbrich Botanical Gardens had a bloom in 2022 that's not listed. Ohio State had 3 blooms in 2013 but only 2 are listed. Cornell had 5 as of 2018 (and that link says another was expected later in 2018), with only 3 listed. I've search for 8 institutions so far, and found unlisted blooms for 4 of them (the other four institutions were University of Wisconsin Madison, UW Milwaukee, UW River Falls, and University of Connecticut; most of the institutions I searched I ended up stumbling across in search for additional blooms for UW Madison, and they are often mentioned as a source for seeds blooming at other institutions). Perhaps some of these blooms were not publicised, but the 2 (unlisted) blooms at Missouri Botanical Garden in 2023 definitely made local news, as have unlisted blooms there in previous years. Plantdrew (talk) 01:36, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * And there are additional blooms mentioned in Amorphophallus titanum that aren't listed here, e.g. Chicago Botanic Garden in 2020 (3 blooms from a single corm!). But you get the picture. Plantdrew (talk) 01:50, 30 August 2023 (UTC)


 * How about list them by facilities, location, dates, notes, references. Socalphoto (talk) 01:11, 12 September 2023 (UTC)