Talk:List of recurring Star Trek: Deep Space Nine characters

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If you have information to add for particular characters please start at List of Star Trek characters. Each character should have his, her, or its own page, linked to from there. --STDestiny 03:57, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)
 * I have begun a project in accordance with the consensus reached at WP:FICT to corral minor figures from various fictional universes together on compilation pages. The current list page is just a directory rather than the compilation here. Indrian 04:04, Apr 5, 2005 (UTC)

Keiko O'Brien
I added markup and kanji such that Keiko O'Brien's maiden name is now represented in the same way as other Japanese names on Wikipedia. There are several ways of writing Keiko in kanji, so if there's any canon evidence as to the correct characters, this should obviously be modified.
 * This was removed on the basis that "the kanji were never given on the show". This is possibly relevant in terms of the given name, since there are indeed several spellings of Keiko in Japanese. There is, as far as I'm aware, only one spelling of Ishikawa, a common Japanese family name. I'll reinsert something more complete.

Why did you change what I edited about Kira and Yoshi O'Brien? The child was male, and she was the gestational mother, according to modern parlance. MissMaryMack14 (talk) 23:20, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

Tora Ziyal
Shouldn't Tora Ziyal be under T, as her family name is Tora as per her mother Tora Naprem and Bajoran naming traditions (which seem to be favoured over the Cardassian ones)? --Erath 8 July 2005 10:52 (UTC)


 * I think so. Her own father calls her just "Ziyal" most of the time (probably always). ShutterBugTrekker 22:37, 14 July 2005 (UTC)

Merged in some minor characters
I merged in content from pages of minor characters with short articles. Some of these showed up in TNG as well; ideally TNG would also have a compilation page and their roles in each would be listed on the two pages, but this hasn't happened yet. I was thinking of merging in a few more more aggressively, but didn't want to stir the pot too much. Deco 01:54, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * Good idea. As far as I'm concerned, we only keep separate articles for the regular characters (Sisko, Kira, Dax, ...) and semi-regular characters (Dukat, Garak, Weyoun, ...). At some point, though, maybe we should split this article into two (A-M, N-Z) to keep the size manageable. We also may want to trim some sections a bit. The part about Sloan, to name just one, looks like it could be shortened. We don't need episode summaries here; that's what the episode pages are for. ··· rWd · Talk ··· 11:26, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * We should probably also include sections for main characters, but containing only a link to the character's article. I've seen this done in other articles, and this article does not purport to be merely a list of minor characters. Deco 22:47, 19 January 2006 (UTC)
 * We should take care not to repeat List of Star Trek characters here. The list of major characters and links to their bios is already available there. ··· rWd · Talk ··· 23:10, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

What is the goal of this page, anyway?
Something I started wondering just yet... What's this page supposed to be? A list of all DS9 characters? List of Star Trek characters already serves that purpose. A collection of biographies for characters not important enough (following WP:FICT) to get their own article, but still important enough to get a bio? That sounds better to me. It also means we can drop about half the list: Note that I don't suggest to delete information, just to relocate it. This article just doesn't seem to have a clear purpose at the moment. I'd say it should be a collection of bios for the major DS9 characters not important enough to have their own article. Any and all thoughts on this are welcome and appreciated. ··· rWd · Talk ··· 23:06, 20 January 2006 (UTC)
 * The Albino, Melora Pazlar, Vreenak and Yelgrun all appeared in only one episode and aren't major players for the series as a whole. Give them one or two lines of description on List of Star Trek characters or mention them in the article of the major characters they interacted with, and we've got them covered. (Vreenak was probably rather important for the series, despite his one-time appearance. If people want to keep his bio here, that's fine.)
 * Boday and Keldar were only mentioned a few times and never appeared on screen. Same treatment as above.
 * The Dax symbiont already has its own article at Dax (Star Trek), so its entry here can go.
 * Dr. Elizabeth Lense appeared in only one episode, but features strongly in the Starfleet Corps of Engineers novels. Move her bio to an article dedicated to characters from SCE.
 * Leskit also appeared in only one episode, but features strongly in the I.K.S. Gorkon novels. Move his bio to an article dedicated to characters from the Gorkon.
 * Elias Vaughn never appeared on screen and was never mentioned. Move his bio to an article on characters from the Relaunch novels.
 * Kirayoshi O'Brien hardly deserves his own entry (it's basically a repeat of stuff mentioned in Keiko's piece). His sister was a slightly more major character, so she can stay. Too bad for KY, but life is hard ;-)


 * In my opinion, List of Star Trek characters should be broken up by series (for organization and because it's fricking huge). If a character occurs in more than one series, each list should discuss only their role in that series. Then this article subsumes its purpose, but restricted to DS9. Deco 00:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)


 * I have renamed this as List of minor recurring characters in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, removed the empty sections for major characters, and moved some very minor characters into the main alphabetic lists e.g. A-F. We should end up with an infobox for each character on this page, which cannot be done on the main alpha lists. - Fayenatic (talk) 14:32, 21 December 2007 (UTC)

One time appearance characters
Could a separate page be created for them? Like the Albino, Goran'Agar, Melora, Keldar etc? -- Tough Little Ship 00:11, 26 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Well, I would think the purpose of this page is as a merger for the recurring characters who are significant enough that we can't deny them a page yet not significant enough to have a page of their own the way Garak, Dukat, etc are. Characters like the Albino might be more appropriate for List of Star Trek characters (that's what it's for). Moulder 19:14, 2 June 2006 (UTC)


 * In fact, I think no page should be made for them and they (if you like to and there is consensus to keep it that way) should just be deleted. I think the purpose of a list like this is to inform (or remind) viewers to a backstory for a character that actually has one.  Really the Albino, Goran'Agar and a few others are best described in the episode they were in and not here.  Are not their respecive articles nothing more than rehashing a single episode's plot anyway? Spejic 05:29, 5 June 2006 (UTC)


 * Dang, forgot to watch this page. I agree with that approach, because if nothing else, just think of the ungodly length of this page if every character who could be considered significant had its own spiel. Think I'll be bold and initiate the change as it's pretty consistent with existing practices.
 * Actually, I just found proof positive: Vash (a character with more of a part in TNG than DS9, really) redirects to List of Star Trek characters... yet she has a section on our mini-MA. I will merge or delete the one-ep characters and leave ambiguities like Keldar - where else would his name redirect to? - and Elias Vaughn, who's significant in the novels apparently.
 * Now I have my wikiproject for tomorrow unless someone beats me to it, which I doubt given the lag in responses so far. ;) Moulder 08:54, 19 July 2006 (UTC)


 * I've cleaned out a few of these -- the Albino, Goran'agar, etc. -- but left a few others that seemed to have justifiable reason to stay. Boday was never seen, but was mentioned often.  (Same with Vilix'pran, who doesn't yet have an entry.)  I was dubious about Calvin Hudson, but left him because of the mention of his death in "For the Uniform", IIRC.  Felt similarly about Keldar; not really sure why he should be in here, but I left him.  I left Elizabeth Lense and Leskit because of their roles in the novels.  Mora Pol stayed because he was mentioned many times before his single appearance.  Melora was nearly a regular on the series.
 * A few suggested additions: Tekeny Gemor, Jennifer Sisko, Vilix'pran, Shakaar's friends from "Shakaar", "Ties of Blood and Water", and "The Darkness and the Light".
 * Also, there should probably be mentions of characters with their own articles (with links to said articles rather than full descriptions). I'll add a few in a moment. Roger McCoy 17:05, 8 August 2006 (UTC)

Where's Jennifer Sisko?
She should be on this page somewhere, shouldn't she? --80.47.95.10 14:58, 8 February 2007 (UTC)
 * Vedek Bareil isn't on the page as well. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.9.195.14 (talk) 17:41, 2 March 2007 (UTC).

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Memory Alpha links
There appears to be an excessive number of links in the body of the article to another wiki, Memory Alpha. This doesn't seem to fit in with the WP:MOS and most other articles, which would indicate a single link should be listed at the end of the article as an External link. Pairadox 17:51, 3 September 2007 (UTC)


 * Agreed. This article is also glutted with a lot of unnotable characters and is need of some major clean up.  AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:17, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

Clean Up Suggestions
I've removed the most obviously minor characters from the article (only appeared in a few episodes, didn't appear at all, had no real significance to the show). There are a few others I'm on the fence about, so for now I've left them. For those characters with their own articles, their sections here really need to have some kind of lead in written below the link off the main articles, kind of like a teaser or something, for someone who just wants a quick, brief note about their without reading the entire character article.

All of the wiki links need to be removed and replaced with a single external link. Non-canon information also needs to be completely removed: this article is about the show characters and there should not be any info from novels, etc. There is also a serious need for sourcing throughout the article, either from WP:Reliable Sources or the primary source (i.e. cite episodes info comes from). AnmaFinotera (talk) 04:03, 26 November 2007 (UTC)
 * You might want to ask people's opinion before removing characters in the future. I've readded Leeta and I'm going to readd Eddington as well. Rockfang 13:47, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I've removed them. Asking other people's opinion is not necessary before cleaning up articles to bring them into better compliance with Wikipedia policies and guidelines.  WP:FICT, WP:PLOT, TV MOS are good things to read to learn more about appropriate character inclusions. AnmaFinotera 15:34, 30 November 2007 (UTC)
 * The problem is that your choices are arbitrary and the links provide no clue as to why you deleted these characters.   Spejic 03:30, 1 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I noted in my edit summaries short reasons for removal. If there are questions as to the notability of any I removed, feel free to address.  All that were removed did not, however, meet the notability requirements.  They had no significant or major notability to the series as a whole.  Just being in multiple episodes does not make them notable, nor does having an important role in a single episode or two make them notable. Leeta, for example, may have been seen frequently, but she had actual significance to the show. Some of the ones I removed never even appeared on the show (Quark's Father) or only appeared in one or two episodes. AnmaFinotera 06:01, 1 December 2007 (UTC)

Merge suggestion
Nog was notable enough to have his own article. Deep Space Nine had several notable recurring characters, Garak, Martok, Rom, Dukat, Weyoun to name a few, including Nog. Ejfetters (talk) 05:59, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * While Nog is certainly a well seen character, I'm not really seeing anything in his article that makes him notable enough to have a stand alone article rather than being included here. It does not appear to meet WP:N nor WP:Fiction requirements, at all, is completely unsourced, and may contain original research. Considering the number of show character articles being AfDed of late, I'd suspect Nog's article would not survive such a nomination, so its better to merge it now while it is still there to merge. AnmaFinotera (talk) 06:13, 26 November 2007 (UTC)

In my opition merging this article is a bad idea. I was looking up some Damar-related information and I was happy to find it quickly in wikipedia. Logain2006 (talk) 17:14, 23 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, you do make a point, and I might agree with you, but check out these ones too, they clearly don't deserve their own articles, even less so than this one: Female Changeling, Winn Adami, Rom, Weyoun, Martok, Dukat, Damar, Curzon Dax, Gowron, Koloth, Kor - There are many many more from Voyager and TNG I am sure, I think if we merge Nog, we should merge all of these, and some of these aren't even notable enough for a mention in that page, let alone their own articles. Ejfetters (talk) 03:31, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * Here are more - Naomi Wildman, Icheb, Seska, Jal Culluh, Samantha Wildman, Mezoti, Azan, Rebi, Leslie, Janice Rand, Christine Chapel, Vash, Alexander Rozhenko, K'Ehleyr and theres more - Im not trying to do overkill, I believe these articles aren't notable enough to stand on their own and should be deleted. Some look notable, but they're overdone with complete in-universe synopses from episodes.  These should be on their own pages in Memory Alpha maybe, but not here. Ejfetters (talk) 03:41, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I completely agree, actually. Some of those had good story arcs, or even mild importance, but most are not that notable to the series as a whole. Dukat, for example, is certainly an interesting character and he plays a big role towards the end, but he still can not meet the WP:FICTION guidelines and the notability requirements enough for his article (all the sources are just from the star trek site and episodes). Ideally, the article would have the most major characters (the eight actually listed in the parent article), with short intros and links to their main articles, all the rest should be listed only if they were truly significant recurring characters with brief synposis per the WP:Fiction and WP:Plot guidelines. AnmaFinotera (talk) 03:45, 28 November 2007 (UTC)
 * I'm all for merges. I disagree with the deletion suggestions for some of them though. Rockfang 13:57, 30 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I do not believe the characterMartokshouldnt have his own page? As the series progressed, he became a major character, athough not a main one.  Plot lines and entire episodes revolved around hin the the latter seasons.  Also, Gowron was a character begun on Star Trek the Next Generation.  He is not limited to DS9 fiction.  That is the equivelant of saying the character of Worf, created, established, and a prominent on TNG, should only be listed in DS9.  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 146.145.150.226 (talk) 18:48, 3 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Nog is certainly not a minor character. I'm opposed to the merge. Hobit (talk) 03:19, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Merger of Dax

 * I don't think merging it in here is a good idea -- as the symbiont spans multiple hosts, some of whom didn't appear on DS9, it would confuse the issue too much. Oppose.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 01:42, 5 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Yes but the only Trek show that the symbiont was in was DS9. Where else would you place it? Ejfetters (talk) 03:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Withdraw merger proposal, as users cannot compromise I simply have given up. Ejfetters (talk) 07:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Merger of Kor

 * Oppose -- Kor isn't a DS9 character, he first appears in TOS, and also appears in the animated series.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 20:14, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Since he didn't make many appearances, he could be merged here for his DS9 appearance, and information about the roles in TOS and TAS placed in the appropriate episodes. He isn't notable enough for his own article, in or out of universe. Ejfetters (talk) 03:57, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I would be of the opinion that a character who the writers of two different series brought back _does_ have real-world notability for exactly that reason.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 05:58, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, that is in-universe notability, not real world notability. See WP:FICTION. AnmaFinotera (talk) 06:10, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * No, different sets of writers liking the character is _not_ in-universe, and WP:FICTION doesn't treat the subject at all.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 06:41, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Ok, but just how many episodes in all has this character appeared in? If you do the math, figure out all the episodes of DS9 and TOS combined, and what was he in just 1 of each.  This is hardly notable in or out of universe.  Ejfetters (talk) 08:16, 10 December 2007 (UTC)
 * 3 DS9 episodes, actually. And one animated episode too. Please get the numbers correct before quoting them.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 18:02, 10 December 2007 (UTC)


 * Do whatever you want, be a jerk then "please get them correct" excuse me, you know I posted a serious comment, made a mistake, you could have been nice and just said "oh no he was in 3 deep space nine episodes actually" not "get the numbers correct" - I dont care anymore about any of this. Ejfetters (talk) 06:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)
 * '''Withdraw merger proposal. Ejfetters (talk) 07:00, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Merger of Dukat

 * Oppose -- Dukat is a major character in the series.--uɐɔlnʌɟoʞǝɹɐs 20:16, 4 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Define major, I would define it was the major cast that is first billed (alright, I don't consider Jake major, but that's my opinion) Ejfetters (talk) 03:55, 9 December 2007 (UTC)
 * Withdraw merger proposal. Ejfetters (talk) 06:59, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

the articles issues box
There is something wrong with the article issues box at the moment. I thought it was something that the previous editor did so I reverted it. That didn't fix the problem. I'm gonna remove that box until someone can remedy it. --Rockfang (talk) 08:46, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Kimara Cretak
I have added this section, as the template of ST characters directed to the original article, that redirected to this page where no article existed (or may have been removed in the past). I copied the article verbatim (sans tags) from the point in history prior to the redirect. Aside from cleaning up the line breaks, I have made no further changes.

If this is the wrong place for this character, please feel free to put it in the correct place, but can you update the template links? Thanks! StephenBuxton (talk) 17:20, 6 January 2008 (UTC)

Merge in Rom
He is a minor character, so merging him here with make this article more comprehensive and eliminate a stubby article. Judgesurreal777 (talk) 22:41, 13 August 2008 (UTC)
 * I'd not call it stubby and I think this one is already too long. Hobit (talk) 05:10, 18 August 2008 (UTC)


 * He's not that minor, the article isn't stubby and the proposed recieving article is already at the 33kB mark. Britmax (talk) 22:50, 7 November 2008 (UTC)

Merger of Lwaxana Troi
Although she was mostly recurring in TNG, she had a couple of appearances in DS9, and thus that information can be merged here, or omitted, since 2 episodes is barely recurring. Thoughts? Ejfetters (talk) 13:19, 25 March 2009 (UTC)
 * Oppose - I don't think it would be helpful to split the info, nor to omit it. Either leave it separate, merge it all to the TNG page, start a new page on recurring characters across multiple Star Trek series, or consider merge with Deanna Troi? A merged List of minor recurring characters in Star Trek, defined on the page as those occurring in multiple series or films, might confer sufficient notability on several marginal articles. Fayenatic (talk) 16:56, 25 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Yeah I was thinking the first thing, merge all to the TNG page. There is a list of characters across all Trek I believe, but I tend to think since she was more prominent in TNG its better to put her there, but thought I'd throw this up here just to see some feedback.  Merge to Deanna Troi thats an idea too, with a redirect to here page and that section.. thoughts anyone else? Ejfetters (talk) 04:45, 26 March 2009 (UTC)


 * Big Oppose she is a very notible character in TNG so there is no point merging to minor characters in DS9... maybe put a little section and link to the main article. rdunn  PLIB  10:05, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

What to do with this
I'm looking over this article, and I'm at an utter loss as to how it can be improved without massive cutting back of material. For an article this size, only two citations seems to be a huge problem. To me, it's arguable whether any of this material truly qualifies as notable, and I could see it being considered little more than fancruft. I had the fleeting thought of proposing deletion, but I'd like to hear from other editors as to what can be done. I'd point out that the article's been considered problematic for three years now...to me, an unacceptably long time for an article to need but not receive improvement.

If left to my own devices (which I hope won't be the case) I'd either a) propose deletion to see whether that gets more significant improvement (deletion might be an improvement if the article isn't considered salvageable), or b) make massive cuts to the unsourced material and original research. Really, I have to question how much of this isn't already available on Memory Alpha in any case.

I hope we can do something to improve the quality of this article. Doniago (talk) 13:14, 23 September 2010 (UTC)

Merger of Winn Adami
Merged in section on Winn Adami per consensus on that page. Still needs editing for brevity and reduction of redundance. Dkendr (talk) 18:17, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Morn a reference to Norm from Cheers?
I don't have a source for this but it seems very likely to me. They both were permanent fixtures in a bar, had similar sized bodies and of course almost identical names. I also vaguely remember a Star Trek actor (not even sure it was a DS9 actor, i think it was in one of the dvd extras of DS9 or TNG) saying they visited the Cheers set when they had time, because it was filming in the same period and very near (same studio?). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bonez0r (talk • contribs) 20:31, 31 October 2018 (UTC)

--

Morn is a reference to Norm from Cheers, my source for this is a videoed interview with showrunner Ira Steven Behr on one of the DVD extra features (the charecter profile of Morn).

The article states that Morn is one of a small number of Star Trek charecters to appear on three shows, along with Quark. I believe this is incorrect as Armin Shimmerman's charecter in TNG was a Ferengi but was not Quark. pedro2A02:C7F:2CB1:700:58FF:C57A:5EE0:B539 (talk) 18:06, 13 July 2021 (UTC)
 * Quark himself shows up in "Firstborn". DonIago (talk) 13:44, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
 * I'm not sure I looked at this discussion or not before doing so, but I corrected this obvious oversight with sources.
 * I thought Cheers was far older than DS9. Cheers started way back in 1982 but did not finish until May 20, 1993, and DS9 first aired January 1993 (and obviously filmed before that) so they would have briefly overlapped. There have been lots of Cheers and Frasier connections to Star Trek over the years and there are probably even more behind the scenes Paramount production connections too. -- 109.76.204.195 (talk) 21:15, 15 August 2021 (UTC)