Talk:List of reported UFO sightings/Archive 3

this one looks pretty major
Is this a real photo?

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/20/images/xlarge/FLO_1_tf20ros2_209772_0320.jpg

from

http://www.sptimes.com/2005/03/20/Floridian/Aliens_take_over_Fort.shtml

looks pretty major to me. :-) - Omegatron 19:25, Mar 21, 2005 (UTC)


 * The Soviet army base MG100 (if this is the right name) near Vladivostok Russia had security guards in Apr. 1985 take photographs of what appeared to be footprints on the warehouse floor. The site is famous for an UFO crash in Aug. 1986 on a hill about 500 yards away, and a possible military cover-up at utmost in part of Soviet-era secrecy. I seen the alien footprint photo on Sightings.com, then I doubt the web page still functioned after the TV show and radio program went off-air in the early 2000s. --Mike D 26 08:18, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Shag Harbor?
Does Shag Harbor count as a "major" UFO sighting and be added? --Tony Hecht 00:29, 26 July 2005 (UTC)


 * Just seen it. Add it. This is sometimes referred to as "Canada's Roswell". Martial Law 22:33, 5 April 2006 (UTC) :)

Critters
OK, some of the things under the Third Kind section usually aren't considered aliens. For example, I'm FROM South Carolina, and I don't think it's ever been suggested to be an alien. Thanos6 04:17, 13 May 2006 (UTC)


 * Agreed, several of the entries are for creatures, monsters or entities that have wildly varied theories of origin (much less any association with, well, the 'flying object' part of UFO). Chupacabras and Black Eyed Children have no place in this article so I am removing them. - Markeer 13:20, 16 May 2006 (UTC)


 * What article do they belong in? A list of cryptozoology encounters? paranormal descriptions? Mahoga ny


 * Cryptids sounds good to me. Thanos6 03:10, 20 May 2006 (UTC)


 * The Backwoods, West Virginia monster incident of Sep. 1952 might relate to local UFO activity at the time. The Oct. 1973 Gulf Coast UFO flap had many reports of a shiny silver suited figure around landed spacecraft. And the popular theories of Sasquatch or bigfoot was from outer space, when UFO reports coincede with bigfoot sightings. The Chupacabra mystery isn't fully resolved, because the creature may not originate from other planets or as some residents in Puerto Rico suggest, the Chupacabras are byproducts of federal government genetic engineering of earthly and alien life forms from a secret base under Laguna Cartagena on the island's southwest end. "Black eyed children", as well the early 1900's reports of "little green men" are limited to folklore, not always have to do with UFOs and greys, some reports appeared they had green as well tan, brown and orange skin. I heard theories of the New Jersey Devil, the Carolina swamp monster and Leon Men creatures are likely relatives of the Chupacabra, due to similarities with most alien accounts, (large heads, dark eyes, reptilian features, clawed hands and greyish hue). Also to rule out the possiblity of these "alien monsters" resembled bats have fangs or wings or how cryptozoologists said what if dinosaurs survived after all, evolution could made them look this way. --Mike D 26 08:15, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Redo
I'm going to start redoing this page according to Close Encounters of the 1st, 2, 3rd, ect. ect. any objections? Mahogany -wanna chat?
 * Just curious as to what your sources/guidelines are for this kind of classification.&mdash;Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 15:39, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Ummm... Well maybe use the stuff already used then I have a book I am about to source one second I'll put as a source Mahogany -wanna chat?
 * Plus I'm pretty familiar with incidnets like this so all I'm really doing is classifying them and then using books to add new ones Mahogany -wanna chat?
 * I am not questioning your knowledge; it's just that sources are necessary when these kinds of changes are made. Plus, the whole subject of classifying dubuous events facinates me.  Anyway, please keep up your work&mdash;it's quite interesting.&mdash;Ëzhiki (ërinacëus amurënsis) • (yo?); 16:58, 12 April 2006 (UTC)
 * Agreed. In it's current form this article should be recommended for deletion, as there are few to no citations but numerous descriptions of alleged 'encounters'.  In fact, one has to go down the list of 'encounters of the first kind' quite a ways until one gets to a citation...only to see that the first two citations are for the same incident but on different dates with slightly different details (obviously a sign that at least one of them is wrong, making the point of citation dubious at best).  The lack of citation is bad enough, but it's embarrassing when the few citations actually here are obviously incorrect.  This article needs a severe clean up or a dump in my opinion. - Markeer 00:43, 5 May 2006 (UTC)
 * An explanation or link giving the meaning of Encounters of the 1st, 2, 3rd, ect. would be helpful,
 * how about just linking the first instance ofClose encounter?--Kent Witham 08:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)

UFO in Mexico D.F.?
On the History Channel (I believe) there was a "UFO Files" episode that had a segment on pretty big UFO incident during their Independence Day Celebration, so there was A LOT of media coverage. I haven't seen it in awhile, so I could be wrong about all this, but can someone more informed on this add it?


 * I remember the Aug. 3, 1997 UFO case well on Mexican T.V. shows I watched, since I'm able to know Spanish. But, Ufologists in Mexico and the U.S. said this UFO was an excellent hoax that had certain special effects to make it look real enough. If anyone got the technology to make a UFO to go behind a multi-story building should work for Hollywood, not play a joke on the world. The Independence day (Sep. 16 1997) UFO flap is the largest since the first of several flaps on Mexico city since the total solar eclipse (Jul. 11 1991), as camcorders cover the totality right in their city. Scientific research on what kind of UFO was it to fly under military hellicopters was 1. probably a released balloon, 2. a high altitude bird and 3. the planet Venus was brighter than usual. I don't like it when they deny the authenticity of the UFO, including testimony from Mexican Army and Air Force personnel able to discuss it on camera that it was not a ballon, bird or planet. --Mike D 26 08:06, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Citation Tag
Well, I replaced the tag yesterday to have it removed today with the comment that there are three sources at the bottom. I'm replacing the tag one more time, but I'll explain more fully as it seems at least one person is confused (If it's removed again I'm not going to get into a reversion war, I'll leave it up to wikipedia during their next round of purging unreferenced articles). There are a great number of encounters listed in this article with neither link, footnote or other reference and the only references at the bottom are 3 for one (and only one) incident, and a general 1998 book (meaning 8 years out of date and impossible to be a reference for any incident after that date). Examples of uncited/unreferenced items I can see without following every link:
 * "Rockaway Beach, New York" and "Woodside, Queens" sightings: only links are the internal wikilinks to the actual neighborhoods/cities (one of which does not exist yet on Wikipedia, the other makes no comment or reference to UFO sighting).  Both after 1998.
 * 2003 North America Blackout: link is to the blackout, not to citation of UFOs spotted.
 * "Jimmy Carter" and "Neil Armstrong": assertions of sightings, links lead to their wiki articles only, where there are no UFO comments (arguably these two might be in the Marcus Day book)
 * September 11: no reference to incident at target link
 * Guadelejara, Mexico: no reference to incident at target link

I'm not trying to be pedantic or annoying here. I've enjoyed reading a large number of the linked cases from this article and just trying to see that editors follow the wikipedia guidelines on Verifiability and Citing Sources. I've said my piece. -Markeer 17:04, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * O.k. now I understand thanks for clearing that up -- Mahoga ny 17:07, 31 May 2006 (UTC)


 * There had been several UFO flaps in Long Island since 1992, not far off from other UFO hot spots of Pine Bush, Hudson Valley and Pompton Lakes, New Jersey. I've known that Fire Island, New York is an UFO haunted place, where hundreds of people whom camped out or fished at night seen lights and orbs. Including an anonymous video recording of an UFO crash in Aug. 28 1993 got on the Sightings TV show. The UFO crash video remains circulated on internet web sites, although no expert analyzed the UFO and said it was authentic, but a pure hoax. Fire Island is a state park where a forest lies near a lagoon, a perfect space for any UFO to avoid New York City and land without being seen or disturbed. I disagree on the Sept. 11 2001 UFO sighting, as official analysis stated it was wreckage or a flying piece of aircraft. Others in the conspiracy theory field said it was an US army or Air force surveillance plane trying to intercept the hijacked airliners. I don't know what went on other than it was a national tragedy, global event and an excuse for humanity's evils. Same goes to reports the Pentagon was hit by a missile, not a plane and the Pentagon released a security video to clarify this was a plane, so the rumors aren't relevant. --Mike D 26 08:24, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Debunked
"2001: September 11, a UFO is allegedly filmed during the 9/11 attacks in New York City. A small object can be seen in the sky as the second plane hits the World Trade Center.[citation needed]"

Give us all a break with this, I beg you. Someone remove this one, please. I've seen this video tape and can safely confirm it to be a fraud. It's on the p2p networks at the moment.

A chopper tour flying by the World Trade Center having it's occupants video what appears to be a UFO flying past the helicopter at amazing speed in broad daylight. As if...

81.234.249.228 17:44, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Alleged September 11, 2001 UFO
I added a factual accuracy tag. The UFO sighting was in fact aircraft debris from United Airlines Flight 175 travelling at high speed, an engine to be precise. --James Bond 20:56, 20 June 2006 (UTC)

--That's not the only UFO to be seen around the World Trade Center before 9/11 though. I forget the details but it was seen (and filmed) while on a helicopter about a year before 9/11, if I'm not mistaken. Research?

UFOs in Russia and China declassified
When the Soviet Union went through glasnost before it collapsed, the KGB released documents on alleged UFO sightings across the country. China is in the phase of declassification of most UFO cases. Some Russian and Chinese UFO reports became globally recognized: The Voronezh Alien Sighting of Oct. 1989 that appeared on the official newspaper Tass and the reports of an ancient civilization created by "greys" or aliens in the Sinkiang desert, was on the History Channel's UFO files show. The tremendous amount by the release of this information indicate the more people seen UFOs over them, the more they want to know what is it and why did the officials did a cover-up in a totalitarian regime like the Soviets? The wave of new interest in UFOs in China has entered their pop culture and discussion on whatever or not to explore the existence of UFOs. One Soviet document solved a potential UFO mystery: The Murmansk case, Sep. 21 1977, when a strange "jellyfish" like structure lightened the early morning sky with glass-shattering noise. The document has declared this UFO was a secret missile launch test from a base 60 kilometers away. But the ability to break glass in unusual patterns is another mystery, then these files are hard to believe in. --Mike D 26 08:01, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Areas often visited by UFOs
My list of 25 places on earth that seem to attract high number of UFO sightings, some for hundreds of years. A few countries have less than 20 million people (Australia and south Africa) have a high ratio of UFO sightings per person, yet the largest countries (India and China) with billions of people could outnumber the total number if it were regularly reported or documented. It's said rapid deforestation and development in Mexico, Brazil, Africa, the Middle East, China and India attracted UFOs' attention, while lighted road systems of Europe at night can be seen from outer space. Military weapons development in Russia and the Southwest U.S. might drew in UFOs, while intense seismic activity in Japan, Chile and California, U.S. and certain secluded places (Iceland, Canary Islands, Malta and Puerto Rico) serve as UFO bases. Here are places listed below.

1. Gulf Breeze, Florida, U.S.  2. Mexico City, Mexico 3. Australia (in populated centers) 4. Great Britain (England, scotland and Wales) 5. Peru and Ecuador 6. San Luis Valley, Colorado, U.S. 7. Nevada (plus secret base Area 51) 8. California Desert, U.S. 9. Hudson Valley/Upstate New York 10. Belgium and the Netherlands 11. Chile and Argentina 12. Sao Paulo and Curitiba, Brazil 13. France (esp. the 1954 UFO wave) 14. Spain (Pyrenees and Canaries) 15. South Africa 16. Puerto Rico 17. Norway and Sweden (Hessalen valley) 18. Russia (mainly the Ural Mountains) 19. New Mexico and Northern Texas, U.S. 20. Michigan, U.S. 21. Japan (Northern areas) 22. New Zealand 23. Italy and Malta 24. Iceland 25. Pacific Northwest, U.S (Yakima valley)

Current UFO waves are in Eastern Africa, Caucusia mountains, Israel, Cyprus, Kuwait, Bahrain/Qatar, India, Pakistan, Iran (southwest), China (Sinkiang), Malaysia, Thailand, the South Pacific, Colombia and Central America. --Mike D 26 08:37, 12 July 2006 (UTC)


 * Moved subtitle from World's most UFO Haunted places to Areas often visited by UFOs. Ghosts, spirits haunt places, people, things, etc. Martial Law 21:36, 9 August 2006 (UTC)

Hudson Valley Sightings
Can someone add Hudson Valley Sightings in the appropriate place. It was late 1981 to early ninetees. Kricke 02:04, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

Flap?
Could someone explain to me the usage of the word "flap" in reference to an outbreak of sightings or sighting by more than one person here? It sounds pejorative to me. Mapetite526 20:38, 25 September 2006 (UTC)

Maybe it's like "wave of sightings or crisis" I dunno, I'm Spanish :) --Mabuimo 21:25, 17 December 2006 (UTC)