Talk:List of rifle cartridges/Archive 1

Excess obscure cartridges
This list, having originally been cultivated from a page from Chuck Hawk's web site, contains a number of fairly obscure cartridges. The list has been filled with these dead links for at least 8 months, and I thought I'd see if anyone would object to a little cleaning up. Just thought I'd put this out there and maybe trim things down at a later date, if nobody objects. Crimson30 22:46, 21 August 2006 (UTC)

Cleaned up some more cartridges and reverted back to proper flat list IAW When_to_use_tables. Crimson30 19:26, 1 October 2006 (UTC)

Would it be a good idea to list wildcat after the obscure cartridges? like .17 Mach IV (Wildcat). Also, some wildcats are more obscure than others... Which ones should get listed? Or maybe a separate section for wildcats, like in Cartridges of the World? It lists several categories, like Current American, Obsolete American, Wildcat, Proprietary, Military, British Sporting, European Sporting, and Rimfire. Arthurrh 20:31, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

x Caliber pages
In taking a look a the xx caliber pages, such as 2 mm caliber 3 mm caliber 4 mm caliber 5 mm caliber 6 mm caliber 7 mm caliber 8 mm caliber 9 mm caliber 10 mm caliber 11 mm caliber 12 mm caliber 13 mm caliber I wonder if we should drop this list, and just make an index instead that goes to all those pages, and move any cartridges that are here and not there to the appropriate lists. One less long list to maintain that way. Comments? Arthurrh 01:10, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Another
The 7.62X38R is only used in the nagant hand held revolver. How exactly is rifle defined?
 * Probably someone made a mistake. Feel free to correct it when you're sure, just leave an explanation in your edit summary so that someone doesn't revert it without understanding. Arthurrh 06:00, 17 September 2007 (UTC)

Where should the old "bore" cartridges go?
I didn't start a new section when I added 4 bore but instead put it on the tail end of the list of large sized inch cartridges. Which is better?Trilobitealive (talk) 02:59, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

.30 Remington AR
A reference for this new one is description link but I didn't see any good place to put it in the body of the article. Trilobitealive (talk) 21:46, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Random
Some thoughts on this page:

1. Why do a number of the metric calibers have spaces between the number and "mm"? Is anyone against re-organizing this list and all the articles with "# mm" so that there are no spaces?


 * It's possible that historically, some producers have marketed their metric calibers without a space in front of "mm", but grammatically, there should always be a space between the number and the metric unit. "See Metric Style Guide (NISTLC 1137)" at http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/Metric/metrsty3.cfmBBODO (talk) 18:00, 18 July 2009 (UTC)

2. Is anybody against making this into more of a table (as in 6_mm_caliber for example)?

3. Does anyone have a nice comparison pic like the one on the List of handgun cartridges? A picture with maybe .22LR, 5.56 NATO, .243 Winchester, 7.62 Russian Short, 7.62 NATO, 300 Win Mag, .338, .50 BMG and some sort of reference item (like the battery) would be really nice. Crimson30 16:31, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

4. Why is 7.5x55 Swiss called "Schmitt Rubin". This is an incorrect and very recent American term for Swiss military rifles and cartridges.
 * I'm not sure how recent. The Schmidt-Rubin name goes back to at least the 1960's - See an old copy of Cartridges of the World . I'll check my Ackley when I get home to see if it's listed there as well. It's certainly commonly referred to by that moniker, but if someone knows for sure perhaps the listing could be changed and the Schmidt-Rubin listed as an AKA. Arthurrh 20:29, 12 July 2007 (UTC)


 * PO Ackley has it listed as ONLY 7.5 x 55 Swiss, no Schmidt-Rubin. Arthurrh 04:24, 13 July 2007 (UTC)


 * Vihtavuori reloading tables lists it as 7.5x55 Swiss (GP31) --Boris Barowski 22:58, 25 August 2007 (UTC)

5. In the photo, 7.62x39 is called "7.62 Soviet"....problem is there are several 7.62 Soviet calibers so this term is not precise enough. 7.62x25, 7.62x39 and 7.62x54r are all very common.

Sorting?
How are these rounds sorted within each caliber range? It would make sense to me if they were strictly in order of increasing caliber, and then by something else. Another reasonable alternative would be increasing caliber, but with metric and non-metric calibers seperate. (This would make finding a certain round easier.)

Is there some ordering that I just can't see given my lack of sleep? Aij 05:42, 21 January 2007 (UTC)


 * I agree... the ordering is a tad haphazard. I would think caliber first, then alphabetical.  If you're up for the task, I say go for it! -Crimson30 20:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)


 * Nevermind. Took care of it myself.  --Crimson30 18:12, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I think the separate listing of metric and non-metric would make it easier to read, as long as there's a index at the top that makes it clear for people. Arthurrh 20:32, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

I just did the massive creating of categories and sorting by category. I basically did 4 categories, one for rimfire, one for "current", one for really big stuff (.50 and up) and one for wildcat/obscure/proprietary, etc. I think more than that may add to confusion rather than help. Probably I got a few in the wrong categories, please help where you can. I think overall it's easier to deal with now. Arthurrh 21:44, 16 July 2007 (UTC)

I think it should be ordered by "actual" bullet diameter, then the name. For instance .303 British should be after .308 Winchester because .303 has an actual diameter of .311, larger than .308. Pigoutultra (talk) 19:46, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Numerical order versus actual bullet diameter order
I feel this page should list rifle cartridges by numerical order so they will be easier to find, but another has started to change the order so they are listed by actual bullet diameter. Some people may already know the actual bullet diameter of the round they are looking for, but I'm sure just as many people, if not more, will not know this information, therefore making it harder for them to find a particular cartridge. What is everyone's opinion on this? --KySharpshooter (talk) 14:39, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

what about the Winchester 1876 50-95 Centennial Model — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.231.254.91 (talk) 06:20, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Removing dead links and other issues
What are your thoughts on removing all of the links to pages that don't exist? A lot of those cartridges are simply a slight variation of another cartridge, and once a page is created for them they can go on this list. If you want a page written for a particular cartridge but don't feel comfortable doing it yourself, I suggest you join the Firearms WikiProject and place it in the Open Projects section. Also, I don't know why people are putting centerfire calibers in the rimfire section and cutting and pasting calibers out of the wildcat section and placing them randomly within the common section, but please don't do that. It has been a while since I had time to do any editing on here and it looks awful. I will be doing my best to get this back in order.--KySharpshooter (talk) 12:44, 20 April 2012 (UTC)

Question
Anyone know why the 9x19mm Para, a pistol round is listed in rifles.

Where is 8.15 x 46R?

Just a quick note. You appear to have made an error regarding the Jonson cartridges. They are an exotic, very high powered, family of wildcat cartridges. Any claims which sound exceptional are probably true. No rifle that I know of are chambered for them, as this is custom build territory. You really should include them in the appropriate category. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.160.79.16 (talk) 07:02, 14 February 2013 (UTC)

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