Talk:List of rock musicals

Criteria
I'm a bit unclear on how precise the definition of "rock musical" being used here is. It's my understanding that if all dialogue is sung, then it's an opera. Conversely, if the sung dialogue does not significantly advance the plot then it's just a sung number in a non-musical (i.e. "The Wedding Singer"). Also, is this list intended to only be stage productions or can we consider movies musicals on film?

Here's my tentative criterion suggestions:

To qualify as such, a rock musical must contain both spoken and sung dialogue and at least some of the songs must significantly advance the plot.

Although video and stage productions are different beasts, a rock musical movie that has yet to hit the stage shouldn't be disqualified. DrYoda 14:12, 17 March 2006 (UTC)


 * A good number of these have predominately pop or more classic Broadway sounding scores. Wicked, Avenue Q, Miss Saigon and the Lion King among others are hardly Rock Musicals.  luke_callahan 28 June 2007

They might not be rock operas, but they're rock musicals. Yoda, Why does it need sung dialogue? Why does it need spoken dialogue. I disagree with your first criterion. I agree that filmed rock musicals are also rock musicals and can be listed here, even if there was never a live stage show. -- Ssilvers 17:37, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

I agree with Ssilvers. We want this list to be inclusive of shows that are "rock tinged" These shows are definitely rock infused. This differentiates them from shows like Curtains and Grey Gardens that feature more traditional, old fashioned scoring and instrumentation. Thanks --Broadwaygal 17:56, 28 June 2007 (UTC)

Would the musical Rent not qualify under this criteria? I am surprised it is not currently listed. Elmakai (talk) 01:07, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * Um, Rent is there....Mark E (talk) 08:49, 29 November 2009 (UTC)


 * My bad. I looked for it and even used ctrl+f and it couldn't find it on the page.  Elmakai (talk) 15:22, 29 November 2009 (UTC)

And Footloose? 21:11, 1 Juli 2013 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.183.40.233 (talk)

Purple Rain's wikipedia entry describes it as a "rock musical", yet not on this list. The musical lyrics advance the plot; should that not qualify? Any reason? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.23.86 (talk) 17:44, 13 November 2016 (UTC)

Alphabetization
Lists such as this on Wikipedia are usually organized alphabetically by title. There is no reason for a list of rock musicals to be ordered by year, since the year is not the most relevant factor, and that information can be found in the individual articles for the specific musicals.Spylab 03:51, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I strongly disagree. The list contained far more useful information before you stripped it out.  As for Alpha order, the rule says plainly "Currently there is no single recommended format."  The utility of this list is to see a historical development, so a chronological order makes more sense here than a robotic alpha list.  One can always search for a work using the find feature if you do not know what year it was written.  You have already destroyed the article on rock opera and the list of rock operas.  Do not destroy this article.  Please return the article to the previous edit.  -- Ssilvers 03:55, 11 July 2007 (UTC)

I have destroyed nothing. I have improved many articles and lists while following Wikipedia guidelines. See similar lists to see how this one can or should be organized, especially List of operas, List of musicals: A to L and List of musicals: M to Z. There is no reason that adding the word "rock" in front of "operas" and "musicals" would justify ordering the list by year instead of title. I do see that the composers and years could be re-added, but that info should appear after the title, and the list should be alphabatized by title.Spylab 04:07, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I completely disagree that the list "needs" to be alphbetical.   The fact that the other lists are in alphabetical order is sort of irrelevant in relation to this one.  It makes much more sense to put the list of operas and musicals in alphabetical order because there are so many of them.  This list is really short in comparison and works best as an historical illustration of the development of the rock musical starting from Hair (musical) and working our way up to today.  Broadwaygal 15:09, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * I was about to undo the changes made by Spylab, but see that Broadwaygal has already done so. I wholeheartedly agree with reverting to the earlier version, which is much more user-friendly. Let us not promote alphabetical order over historical context. Such changes should, surely, only be made after discussion? User:Tim riley 21:30, 11 July 2007 (UTC)


 * See List of musicals: A to L and List of musicals: M to Z to see how this list should look. It is not true that ordering the list by year is more user-friendly than ordering alphabetically by title. There is no reason to order it by year. Spylab 11:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

Yes, there is, and the reason has been explained to you over and over again: It is because it gives additional information to the reader to see the progression of rock musicals through time. You are simply being stubborn and mechanical in your attempt to degrade this list simply because it reminds you in certain respects of some other lists on Wikipedia. The fact that you split this article off from the rock opera article is what makes not sense. I'm not going to fight you on that, but I think you are wrong, and I regret that you destroyed all the useful information in the list of rock operas. The WP:CONSENSUS is clear here. '''You are editing in bad faith. Please stop.''' You may also be in violation of the 3 revert rule. -- Ssilvers 13:52, 12 July 2007 (UTC)

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