Talk:List of schools in Victoria, Australia

Opening heading
The page should say which Victoria the schools are from. Probably even move the page to List of schools in Victoria (Australia) Grey Shadow 13:18, 17 July 2006 (UTC)
 * Take a look at Lists of schools in Australia and you'll see all the other states are done like this one too. Alien- 09:59, 23 July 2006 (UTC)

Look at Derrimut Heath Primary School...
In case you haven't noticed, Derrimut Heath Primary School has changed its name to Baden Powell College. It has split into two campuses, Derrimut Heath is now the Derrimut campus, and there is also a campus in Tarneit.

http://www.derrimut.win.vic.edu.au/
 * References

Michael Michael Michaelk (talk) 00:47, 10 June 2008 (UTC)Michael Michael Michaelk

list of schools in order of population
Has anyone noticed that this list is quite inaccurate? I'm not sure of any other schools, but Aquinas college has 1500~ students and doesn't even make the list(according to the wikipedia page and my vague memories of attending there... a year ago). Perhaps it's an anamoly... —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.63.46.37 (talk) 11:55, 15 January 2009 (UTC)


 * It certainly is incomplete. I've taught at four currently existing secondary schools. Only two are in the list. The missing ones aren't new, or have any other obvious reason for being left out. What's the point of this article? HiLo48 (talk) 03:42, 10 October 2009 (UTC)

Major inaccuracies in the lists
The categories of Catholic Schools, Government Schools etc have huge inaccuracies in them. Multiple government schools appear in the Catholic list. The Catholic list is mostly high schools until you get to the "Saint" section, where many primary schools appear. I suggest dividing into two sections, high school and primary school. I will make an attempt to delete the schools that are in the wrong section.

Heathiecliff (talk) 07:54, 8 May 2011 (UTC)


 * Yes, it's pretty bad, but the only way it will improve is by people like you and me fixing what we can. Please just go for it. HiLo48 (talk) 08:08, 8 May 2011 (UTC)

Non notable schools
PLease unlink all  the redlinked Primary  and Middle schools. They will  not  be having  Wikipedia articles. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 11:38, 20 September 2012 (UTC)
 * I disagree with this. Please leave a list. The notability criteria is far lower than for an individual article and the title of the current article would have to be changed to list of notable primary schools to avoid being misleading. Please see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Categories,_lists,_and_navigation_templates section advantages of a list section 15 "An embedded list, one incorporated into an article on a topic, may include entries which are not sufficiently notable to deserve their own articles, and yet may yet be sufficiently notable to incorporate into the list. Furthermore, since the notability threshold for a mention is less than that for a whole article, you can easily add a mention to a list within an article, without having to make the judgment call on notability which you would need to make if you were to add a whole article—if someone else feels that it is notable enough, they can always linkify the mention and create an article anyway."  Wakelamp (talk) 08:42, 16 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Important to keep some structure, all the better if it was cleaned up. Note we don't have "districts" in Australian Education like in the US.FroggyPeterson (talk) 10:02, 16 May 2013 (UTC)Froggy
 * So are you saying we should delete non notable schools from the list ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Wakelamp (talk • contribs) 17:36, 17 May 2013 (UTC)


 * Apologies for my ambiguity - retain the red links, most definitely.FroggyPeterson (talk) 00:29, 18 May 2013 (UTC)Froggy


 * There is some misunderstanding here. No  one is suggesting  removing  schools from  the list. In  compliance with  notability and the practice for schools, the redlink   square brackets should be removed from  the primary  schools along  with the spam  links to  their web sites. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:03, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

Can someone explain me why Primary Schools in Australia don't qualify for notability while High Schools do qualify? I seem to be getting mixed messages?FroggyPeterson (talk) 13:46, 19 June 2013 (UTC)Froggy


 * Well, it's actually got nothing  to  do specifically  with  schools in  Australia. We have a long  established precedent  here on  Wikipedia that  is generally  followed when calling  for notability  for schools. Schools enjoy a rare exception  from  deletion  at  CSD for example, but  this does not  automatically  confer notability  on  them. No  schools are inherently  notable, particularly  primary  schools. High  schools, as major educational institutions (and far less abundant  than  primary  schools), are usually  kept  if: they  are mainstream schools  providing  education  to  school  leaving  age, and are proven to  exist. These precedents are fully  documented at  WP:Outcomes, and supported by  hundreds, if not  thousands of redirects and failed AfD. More also  at  WP:WPSCH/AG.
 * Redlinking primary  schools therefore is of little value because it is unlikely  that  articles will  be created for them  that  pass notability  criteria. Also, inline links to  the websites of such schools are really  spam links. The purpose of redlinks being  generally  to  prompt the later creation  of an article, which  here is hence not  the case. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:47, 20 June 2013 (UTC)


 * So in conformity  with  notability  guidelines for schools (which  in  fact  enjoy  some exceptions to  general  notability  guidelines) I've started de-redlinking  all  the ugly red links of primary schools. The red links will  never serve as a prompt to  create  missing articles, because primary  schools are not  inherently  notable and if articles are created for them, they  will  just  be redirected to  the list. If  someone can come up  with  a regex to  do  this more quickly it  would be most  appreciated. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:55, 28 August 2013 (UTC)

Deletion of Redlinks.
Dear Kudpung, I read in your missive of 28 August 2013, that you have began "de-linking all the ugly red links of primary schools". As put forward by yourself in the past, it is unsightly. I agree, many pages not existing and links straight through to school websites. The concern I have is that, in your "busyness" you seem to have deleted links through to legitimate wikipages (cite: Abbotsford Primary School - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abbotsford_Primary_School ) etc etc! Can you confirm that this is your intention throughout the whole list? FroggyFroggyPeterson (talk) 04:29, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * Yes that was deliberate per Spam.  Their presence on the list  is sufficient - such lists are not  intended to  be link farms.  If  you  disagree with  this you  are welcome to post  a message at WT:WPSCH. 05:56, 1 September 2013 (UTC)Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk)

I have a problem with your actions because what you stated you would do and what you have done is different and therefore misleading! This is rather unfortunate because it looks like you have done a lot of work here. Before continuing, can you please restate your proper intentions and the benefits of the outcomes. Thanks FroggyFroggyPeterson (talk) 13:30, 1 September 2013 (UTC)


 * As I said, if  you  have a problem with  this you  are welcome to post  a message at WT:WPSCH -  they  are quick  to  reply  there and I certainly won't  hold it  against  you  if they  tell  me I  was wrong. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 17:42, 1 September 2013 (UTC)
 * I've done it for you here. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 18:55, 1 September 2013 (UTC)

Very disappointed that you have continued without scoping the project and giving others an idea of the changes that you are making. FroggyFroggyPeterson (talk) 05:11, 2 September 2013 (UTC)
 * Please see the discussion you were pointed to, and consider discussing  the article and not  the editors (policy). Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 10:07, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

To repeat, you have failed to properly describe the changes you have made correctly, failed to scope the changes in general and botched a number of the sections as a result. What a shame. Froggy — Preceding unsigned comment added by FroggyPeterson (talk • contribs) 10:26, 17 September 2013 (UTC)

Removing ugly red links
I'm still  having  occasional  stabs at  removing  the unsightly  red links for all  these non notable primary  schools. I realise that  there are some people who  diagree, but  the guidelines and precedents are clear - they  will  not  have articles written  about  them. It would be nice if somone else could help  with  this work. Any linked primary  school pages that  are also  not  notable should be redirected either to  this list  article or to  their locality. When redirecting, please remember to add the  template to  the redirect  page. Thaks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:13, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Good luck with the changes - someone will repair the damage fully one day.FroggyPeterson (talk) 11:35, 6 January 2014 (UTC)

It was me, not logged in, who re-did the non-government part of the list. I hope to fix up the list more, adding in missing schools, moving/deleting schools in the wrong section, getting rid of redlinks, and so on. Decat2 (talk) 00:11, 8 January 2014 (UTC)

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