Talk:List of serial killers by country/Archive 1

Dr. Cream
Although listed here, Dr. Thomas Neil Cream did not have an attaching article until I made one today.

I noticed he was under the USA. I have moved him to the UK. This could cause some minor debate as he was an international serial killer. Dr. Cream was born in Scotland, raised in Canada, commited his first murders in the USA and then several more in England, where he was caught and hanged. Does he go under UK, Canada or USA?

I put him under UK. Maybe he should have an entry under the USA too, I'm not sure. I think he should be in the UK because he claimed most of his victims there, and was executed there. I've made his travels and multi-nationality evident in the article I've created for the cross-eyed sicko, so hopefully that will satisfy anyone who might grumble at my decision regarding his repatriation to the Eastern side of the Atlantic Ocean. If not, type any disagreements below. Ta. Robert, 21 December 2004

Misc. discussion
I've removed the additional line at that top that said "Note that some confessions and convictions have been disputed as inaccurate." This only applies to a few killers, Henry Lee Lucas in particular; the additional sentence had been evidently placed by the same person who is on some sort of crusade to posthumously exonerate him on the basis of just a single source (they also completly re-edited Lucas's entry.) - 11 December

Lavrenty Beria (Russia)
why is Lavrenty Beria not a serial killer?


 * I removed: Lavrenty Beria, (1899 - 1953) Russian official and serial killer.
 * Beria does not fit the usual definition of serial killer. He acted in a professional capacity, without much to demonstrate that he did so for personal pleasure or gain (except for power). I note that if we include all who killed or ordered to kill large numbers of people in a professional capacity, most generals involved in wars would top the numbers. David.Monniaux 13:43, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I thought the same, until I read the Lavrenty Beria article further (see the section "Personal character"). It seemes that he was both a "professional killer" and a "serial killer". I'm guessing most general's in wars don't bury their own kill in their own homes! Zik-Zak 14:02, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Well, I'm somewhat unconvinced. See: some very unpopular person is disgraced by the regime, given a mock trial, then somebody writes a book 50 years later claiming he also was a serial rapist and killer.. I mean, sounds like nobody will defend him.
 * I'll reinstate him in the list with some warning. David.Monniaux 14:58, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I see what you mean. A good compramise until/if any strong evidence is found for either side. Zik-Zak 17:54, 10 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Washington Snipers
It's also missing the Washington snipers.


 * So add them. PMC 00:23, 13 Oct 2004 (UTC)

List order
Is this list in any sort of order? It looks pretty random. Perhaps some order could be created and explained in the article. &mdash; SimonEast 05:28, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * It seems to be in (or to have been at one point) roughly alphabetical order (with occasional errors). Chronological would be better, I suppose. - Nunh-huh 05:31, 24 Jun 2004 (UTC)


 * Hi, I recently sorted the serial killers list by countries. I would love to sort the names alphabetically too and writing the names like LASTNAME Firstname. Would this be okay?


 * Greetinx from Austria
 * eliZZZa


 * I'd suggest not putting last name first, as that doesn't read as well. It was supposed to be in alphabetical order (by last name or by first part of pseudonym) but got messed up here and there.


 * Sorting by country brings up some issues too though, like in which order the countries should be listed and what we do with people active in more than one country.


 * DreamGuy


 * How about putting the countries in Alphabetical order. And for the few serial killers that have operated in more than one country - just list them under both with a comment explaining so... Zik-Zak 18:51, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * I like that, it's simple and organized. [[User:Premeditated Chaos| P M  C ]] 23:26, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

While it sounds logic to sort the countries alphabetically for me it is not too user-friendly. I am running crimeZZZ.net & victimZZZ.net and I list more than 50 countries with serial killer cases at the moment.

A few countries make up for >95% of the cases. The rest of the known cases is distributed over the rest of the world. So for me it makes more sense e.g. to list the "leading" countries - and maybe to sort the rest of the countries alphabetically.

I agree to the "multiple countries cases" - put them in every country involved (only a few cases anyway).

For the names: It is difficult to search for a name (by alphabeth) if the first names are put first. That´s why you write names in lexica as LASTNAME Firstname. Furthermore it is often not clear which is first name, which is last (especially with exotic names), capitals help here.

What do you think about?

eliZZZa eliZZZa


 * 1) For you it makes sense, but not for everyone else. Just because some countries have more killers doesn't entitle them to be first on the list. Alphabetical is unbiased, not American centered (because most serial killers that anyone name come from America), and honestly, seems more fair to me. Less arbitrary, and really, are there serial killer standings? "In first place is America with 982 killers..." Alphabetical makes more sense, and its very user-friendly. First place I'd look for Canada was under "C", not under "Top Countries" or some such thing.


 * 2) First names first. It's less complicated (I hate piping links, I hate it hate it hate it ) and on the Internet, name order makes little difference. Besides, most people know to use "Ctrl+F" to find stuff. Who's going to type in "Doe, John" in the Find box? Most people will write "John Doe". If they write "John Doe" it won't come up with "Doe, John". We have to go by what most people do. Therefore: alphabetize by last name, link 'em by first. [[User:Premeditated Chaos| P M  C ]] 01:41, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Hi, PMC,
 * of course you don´t have to convince me >;o)


 * Your arguments for the alphabetical listing of country are reasonable, I don´t like the idea of "ranking" countries for their number of serial killers as you do.


 * As I plan to add some more "typical" cases, I find the name issue crucial and in that point I am not convinced yet:


 * The first two questions in this talk section confirm my concerns about putting first names first.
 * Also "It was supposed to be in alphabetical order (by last name or by first part of pseudonym) but got messed up here and there." is a hint, that this name sorting issue is confusing to contributors (and obviously to users alike) - when I first saw the list, I thought "What a mess!"...


 * I don´t know, what you mean with "piping links" - sorry, newbieme, could you please explain?


 * "Besides, most people know to use "Ctrl+F" to find stuff." Nope, I know from teaching (and I am not teaching newbies) that most people don´t even know they can search a web page at all. We must not think, that everyone is as experienced using computers resp. the web, because we are.


 * Typing "serial killer" or "killer serial" in the Find Box gives the same result (well almost, the latter brings the appropriate article not listed top of the page).


 * Well, I don´t mean to be "wikistressy", but maybe we can give this another thought (or two >;o)
 * eliZZZa


 * 1) I was being sarcastic as to the rankings thing. Rankings = bad idea.
 * 2) People can learn though. All it takes is a few dedicated people - as you obviously seem to be - to do a little tweaking in the order if people mess up alphabetically.
 * 3) The formatting for a regular link looks like this: article name but a piped link looks like this: actual text . The regular link will look like article name. The piped link will show the text, not the article name, as in actual text. So in order to arrange the article by last name (as in "Doe, John") we'd have to make every link piped like that. (So to list Robert Pickton as "Pickton, Robert", you'd have to change the entry to say Pickton, Robert . Which would then appear as Pickton, Robert) That's quite a bit of work for the...*counts*...several dozen entries on the list. Honestly, it would be so much easier to just sort it by last name but link them by first name.
 * 4) I meant "Ctrl+F" as a keyboard shortcut. On IE Explorer and (I don't have much experience with other browers) I would assume most other major browsers, pressing "Ctrl+F" will bring up a search function. This allows you to find instances of the search term on the page. (If you type in "hello" for example, it will jump to the first place the word hello is written on the page.)
 * 5) As for Wikipedia's search function, I don't like it and I don't trust it. You may, but I try to avoid it. Its useless.
 * 6) By the way, you can sign your posts with your username and a timestamp by typing ~ . [[User:Premeditated Chaos| P M  C ]] 05:59, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)


 * Okay, got it! You convinced me with your piped links (I didn´t know that). It would propably not work well, if I used piped links and other contributors who may not know the difference (as I did) would use "normal" links.
 * About the search function on web pages, yes of course I know that, but believe me, many people don´t. For the wiki search function - I like it, brings everything I want to find.
 * Okay, I will alphabetize the names tonight.
 * Thanks for your hints
 * eliZZZa 15:00, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)eliZZZa


 * Welcome, glad we sorted that out =) [[User:Premeditated Chaos| P M  C ]] 16:35, 18 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Definition of a serial killer
What meets the definition of 'serial killer' is a difficult problem. Shouldn't the Unabomber for instance be listed as a serial killer rather than on the list of terrorists?
 * Why not both? Rich Farmbrough 21:33, 7 Jun 2005 (UTC)
 * what about other cases like Hitler or Stalin, Bin Laden, Mengele? I guess motive is a fair criterion here Spearhead

Shouldn't Charles Manson be taken off this list? He doesn't fit the description of a serial killer as he didn't actually commit the murders which were more like mass killings. Maybe cult leader or mass murderer is more appropriate?


 * You're right, Manson doesn't belong here. He's a mass murderer, and there was no lng period of cooling off between crimes that is required in order to be considered a serial killer. I'm removing him. DreamGuy 16:14, July 17, 2005 (UTC)

Rules for moving listings
Should Dennis Rader be moved from "On trial" to the section on the US killers, as he has now confessed to being BTK? If not now, what are the conditions that should be met before he is moved? N0YKG 29 June 2005 19:59 (UTC)


 * difficult subject. He might not have done it after all. Conviction might be a good criterion (altho that's not 100% either and might take years). Spearhead 29 June 2005 22:43 (UTC)

Accuracy disputed
This needs to be cleaned up -- there are listings of people who are suspected or accused of the crimes, but have not been convicted, yet the entires state that they did kill someone. That's libel. SigPig 20:11, 10 September 2005 (UTC)


 * Then clean it up... nobody is disputing that, just that some people adding things don;t bother to look at the Currently on Trial section. Move them there. The tag is only when agreement cannot be reached on the talk page, and you already have agreement (as that was the standard agreement the whole time). DreamGuy 21:22, September 10, 2005 (UTC)


 * Sorry, my bad, I misused the tag. I'll make the changes I know about. SigPig 01:37, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Thuggee - a cult?
There have been a couple of edits and reverts on this point, so I'd better clarify. The suggestion that Thuggee was a religious cult - in other words, that the murders committed by the Thug gangs were in effect 'sacrifices' to Kali, a Hindu goddess - dates back to the 1830s and was initially propounded by William Sleeman, head of the Thuggee and Dacoity department, and popularised in numerous British/Imperial works over the succeeding century. Modern scholarship dating back to the 1950s has consistently debunked this idea. See the works of Hiralal Gupta (1959), Chris Bayly (1996), Radhika Singha (1998), Kim A. Wagner (2004), Stewart Gordon (1969) and now also (2005) my own book on the Thugs; the manuscript evidence is fairly plain and the case for a religiously-inspired group contradictory. No scholar, either in India or outside that country, today accepts that Thuggee was a religious cult; the suggestion is offensive to many Hindus, particularly when coupled with remarks culled from 19th century British attitudes to India, such as the notion that Kali is "the goddess of destruction". The Wiki entry on Thuggee itself needs considerable revision; I haven't had time to tackle it yet, but will, giving full references. In the meantime, a much more detailed, referenced, discussion of this point appears in Mike Dash, Thug (London: Granta, 2005) pp.219-36. Mikedash 09:27, 13 September 2005 (UTC)

Notability
Right now the page is littered with red links -- names of alleged serial killers with no article and no easy way to verify. I think we should remove any name that doesn;t have an article so as not to risk people being libeled as pranks, or to have single instance killers or mass murderers listed as serials, etc. If there is no objection I will go do that soon. DreamGuy 22:41, 2 January 2006 (UTC)


 * Removed all the red links, except one that had an actual link to a news item for verifiablity puposes. Removed rest for not being able to know or verify if they were real (not hoaxes... some clearly were), met the definition of serial killer or notable. Anyone who wants to add names here should make an article first so others can judge it to see if it's correct. DreamGuy 20:37, 11 January 2006 (UTC)


 * This is pushing an extremist POV. Eclecticology 21:28, 25 April 2006 (UTC)
 * How exactly is taking steps to follow Wikipedia's policies on verifiablitlity and notability and "extremist POV"? Please check WP:V and WP:NPOV for those policies. DreamGuy 23:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

I do not think that all red links should be removed. It is helpful to have the name and a one-statement summary of the individual. Just recently, I was trying to figure out the name of a "notable" serial killer who was featured on Court TV's "Most Evil" show on serial killers. In fact, he was classified as a top-level serial killer who was sadistic, psychopathic, and committed acts of prolonged torture by the Prof. of Psychiatry at Columbia University. I think that this qualifies a serial killer as "notable", and his name (Tommy Lynn Sells) should not be removed only because it is a red link. I usually go on Wikipedia first if I want to find information, but due to some careless and rampant removal of all things related to red links, finding that information can sometimes be very difficult. Don't remove red links in this article unless it is a clear hoax or not easily verified by doing a quick search on the name. KMSatoh202 08:32, 28 July 2006 (UTC)
 * The solution here is that you can go and create a stub article about the person and then link to that article. Once something is an article it hits the radar for those people checking stubs/new edits/notability etc. Adding someone to a list makes digging through to find information and verify it more difficult. But of course the problem of notability is the big thing, and the easy way we have of checking that is if it gets an article and survives any potential delete vote there. People dote do notability votes for names on a list. DreamGuy 23:59, 21 April 2007 (UTC)

John Travers
Should John Travers actually be listed as a serial killer as the arical on him mentions only one murder, did he commit others or is he just here by mistake?

Wayne Williams (USA)
I added Wayne Williams back to the list. I understand that his guilt is disputed, but the fact is that he has been found guilty in a court of law for two of the Atlanta Child Murders. Following the example I've seen discussed on the talk page for Gary Glitter, I think we ought to stand by the facts as they are, not speculation as to what may happen in the future. If he is exonerated, then we can take him off the list. GentlemanGhost 02:05, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * If you read his article, he was actually found guilty for the murder of two adult men, not any of the children. Does the killing of two people still qualify him as a serial killer? Serpent-A 20:23, 20 June 2006 (UTC)


 * The article indicates that many of the "children" murdered were actually young adults, i.e., over the age of 18, including the two men for whose murders Wayne Williams was convicted. So, the phrase "Atlanta Child Murders" is something of a misnomer. However, these two murders have definitely been categorized as part of that series. As far as whether or not this qualifies him as a serial killer, the article also states that 22 of the other murders have been attributed to him. Even though he has not been convicted in those cases, I believe that this definitely qualifies him as a serial killer. GentlemanGhost 13:12, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

William Moore
I don't see how he fits the category, so I removed him. Stu  ’Bout ye!  09:57, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

Hasan Gunes?
Who is this Hasan Gunes in the Australia section. I can not find him with Google. (Edit link). Olivier Mengué | &#8644; 12:25, 8 September 2006 (UTC)
 * I couldn't find him either, so I removed him. ExRat 03:54, 11 September 2006 (UTC)

Robert Willie Pickton
Am I correct in assuming that this Canadian, who is on trial for the suspected killing of more than 25 prostitutes isn't on the list because he has not yet been proven guilty?
 * You are correct. And please sign your posts. Serpent-A 08:27, 24 September 2006 (UTC)


 * Dec 9, 2007: He's now on the list. Hoserjoe (talk) 06:15, 10 December 2007 (UTC)

Russian Popular Appellations Of Serial Killers
The Russian popular names of most of the serial killers listed have the English article "the" in them, such as "The Udav" or The Irkutskiy Monstr. I will remove all the superfluous "the's" but someone will have to decide if the style will be the name printed in normal type and enclosed in quotation marks, or the name in italics with no quotation marks. Hi There 22:54, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

Patricia Latham
Well in the section for France we find the following: Patricia Latham - brutally murdered over one hundred children that she had as students but I can find NO other references to such a serial killer via Google, so I am removing her name. if someone wants to re-instate her and give references that support the inclusion of such a person on this list, please feel free to do so. Hi There 19:14, 12 October 2006 (UTC)

Lucia de Berk
I have just added this Dutch person to the list since she is a convicted serial killer, though in my opinion, and not only mine, she is totally innocent. I feel strongly that there should be an English language page on her, since the English language material on her on internet consists of lurid newspaper reporting (try doing a google search on "Dutch serial killer nurse"). The Dutch page needs urgently to be translated. I hope that in time she will be "unconvicted", and then I shall with great pleasure remove her from this hall of infamy ...--Gill110951 10:12, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

David Masterson
Caught an episode of "The FBI Files" on Discovery Channel that raised a question - what about serial killers that never got to trial? David Masterson was caught in 1974 on a kidnapping charge, confessed four murders over seven years, and then hanged himself in his cell an hour or so later. Does he count as "convicted" for the purposes of this list? :-) 213.114.137.126 00:14, 2 December 2006 (UTC)

Victim's gender
In common with many I suspect, my assumption was that most serial killers are likely to target lone women. In light of the current series of murders in Ipswich, I was curious to test that assumption, so tallied up the victims for the UK serial killers listed here.

The results rather depend on how you treat Harold Shipman since his input dwarfs all others. He was convicted of murdering 15 patients, all women. The gender of his further 200-500 victims is unspecified, although since he largely targeted elderly patients many of them are also likely to have been women too. Given the uncertainty, I chose to exclude Shipman and also the 26 unspecified victims of the arsonist Bruce George Peter Lee. I included the 16 male victims of Lenny Murphy, though this is questionable since his gang based terrorism may not count as serial killings. And I also had to assume that the victims of contract killer John Childs were all male.

That leaves a breakdown of:
 * 65 women
 * 74 men
 * 14 girls
 * 6 boys
 * 24 unspecified infants and children

much closer to 50:50 than I would have guessed. If you add in Shipman's victims assuming that they were 75% female, it becomes more like 2:1. -- Solipsist 09:22, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

Lists for individual countries
Where a list for a single country is available, e.g. List of Russian serial killers, it may be useful to put this list as the first item and then limit number of remaining items (half a dozen may be good rule of thumb). This would make this page more maintainable. Pavel Vozenilek 07:50, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Leonard Fraser?
Why is he not in the list? There is an article here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Fraser describing him as a serial killer of Australia. 210.211.245.36 19:29, 1 January 2007 (UTC)

2006 Ipswich murder investigation
hmm, isn't this guy (or guys, gal, or gals) a spree killer, and thus not suitable for inclusion here? Guinness 16:28, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 * No. The murders were perhaps only days or weeks apart, but AFIK not one continuous spree. -- Solipsist 01:04, 6 January 2007 (UTC)

On trial section
Whatever happened to the "currently on trial" section? That served a useful purpose of listing those people discussed as being serial killers but not yet convicted. I don't see any discussion here on removing it. DreamGuy 00:00, 22 April 2007 (UTC)

John Bodkin Adams
I would like to re-add John Bodkin Adams to the UK section. I did a while ago but he was removed because he was never convicted. Basically, he was tried in 1957 for two murders - found not guilty on one count (the trial was interfered with - see his page) and the second charge dropped controversially. Pathologist Francis Camps however found 163 suspicious deaths among his patients between 1946 and 1956. Evidence would have been forthcoming but Adams arranged for many of his patients to be cremated or embalmed, destroying evidence. Police archives were opened in 2005 and critical consensus since then (esp. "Stranger in Blood", Cullen, 2007) seems to be that Adams was guilty. Hence, can he be added? Malick78 09:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Sorry, but I disagree. The facts are that he was never convicted of murder, and therefore has a right to be considered innocent of murder. We should not be listing him as a serial killer. Thehalfone 10:08, 13 June 2007 (UTC)


 * The listing does include the caveat that he was not convicted. But just because someone is found not guilty doesn't mean the verdict is right - if you check JBA's article you'll see that there was political interference in the trial - evidence went missing, police reports were handed illegally to the defence by the DPP... It was interfered with. And according to the most recent research (Cullen, 2007) - the archives are quite clear in inferring JBA's guilt. If you dislike the fact that he wasn't proven guilty in court - then by your rationale Jack the ripper should be removed as well since it was never proven that the murders were all by one man. I would humbly suggest therefore that we let the balance of probability decide in cases where courts couldn't (fairly). Malick78 13:06, 13 June 2007 (UTC)
 * Neutral point of view says:
 * "'Wikipedia aims to present competing views in proportion to their representation among experts on the subject, or among the concerned parties. This applies not only to article text, but to images, external links, categories, and all other material as well.'(My bolding of words.)"
 * Therefore, if the majority of experts think that Adams killed, he should be re-added to this list with the caveat that he was acquitted. Does anyone disagree with that general rule? Malick78 (talk) 17:35, 2 February 2008 (UTC)


 * No, but I disagree with your interpretation of it. The various arguments from experts about his innocence or guilt is best left to his article. He wasn't convicted, he didn't confess, so he shouldn't be listed here. One Night In Hackney  303  17:38, 2 February 2008 (UTC)
 * But not including him is just as POV - and lists are not excluded from the NPOV requirement. Including him with a caveat is entirely fair to all sides. Malick78 (talk) 17:45, 2 February 2008 (UTC)

Red Links
Can we avoid having as many red links as possible please! There's little point in a list that doesn't lead to articles on the subject! Wikipedia doesn't fulfil its purpose as an encyclopedia that way.  Lra drama 15:10, 9 August 2007 (UTC)

Serial Killer Updates
I'm going to add a couple hundred serial killers to this list and I'm going to quote the description from []. Is that allowed? I'm new here. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Tivaelydoc (talk • contribs).

Categories
The US list is a category. Shouldnt they all be? The Uk doesnt have a cat list but methinks all the countries hould have a cta and this article be deleted. Comments, please, SqueakBox 01:54, 25 August 2007 (UTC)
 * Disagree. Lists have broader scope than cats, and can therefore have qualifying statements added to explain inclusion. See Categorization of people:

"For some 'sensitive' categories, it is better to think of the category as a set of representative and unquestioned examples, while a list is a better venue for an attempt at completeness."

So here we can give examples of people who are likely to have been serial killers considering the balance of evidence, ie those not convicted but thought guilty by reliable sources and critical consensus. Therefore, some leeway is allowed here, though caveats should be included with the persons name, ie a description of why they are suspected... Malick78 (talk) 19:59, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Clean up
Earlier today, I dove into the "USA" section of the article with the intention of making sure that each entry has a number after it. As I was doing this, I discovered that several entries on the list did not meet the FBI's definition of a serial killer, which is also used on the Serial killer page itself. Secondly, some of the entries have never been convicted of anything, having disappeared or died or escaped or whatever. I commented those entries out of the list and included my reasons in those comments should anyone take offence and wish to restore them. &mdash; Dave (Talk | contribs) 20:44, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

Killers that need pages
After looking over the list, I've noticed several people that aren't listed, probably because they don't have wikipedia pages. Here is the list: Jane Toppan, Harpe brothers, Herb Baumeister, Elias Xitavhudzi, William Burke, Marie Besnard, The Bender Family, Kenneth Allen McDuff, Gallego sex slave killers, Bobbie Joe Long, Christopher Wilder, Keith Hunter Jesperson, Alton Coleman, Peter Manuel, Robert Rozier, Carol M. Bundy, Debbie Fornuto, Cleophus Prince Jr., John George Haigh, Marion Albert Pruett, Lawrence Bittaker, Gary Evans, "The Foxglove Killers", Andrew Cunanan.

Tivaelydoc 25 November 2007


 * List substantially trimmed per WP:Biographies of living people, which applies to talk pages as well. One Night In Hackney  303  23:04, 25 November 2007 (UTC)


 * I think red links need to be added to alert people to what pages need to be made. If not red links, at least the names, because this is more then just a list. This so called, List of serial killers, is missing over 200 important people and 100's of other people. I think that these names need to added regardless if they have a wikipedia page or not. They need to be on wikipedia something and I feel this is the best place. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tivaelydoc (talk • contribs) 04:19, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Nobody is disputing that. But you can't add unsourced information to any part of Wikipedia claiming named people are serial killers. One Night In Hackney  303  05:33, 26 November 2007 (UTC)


 * Well of coarse I won't add unsourced information, but there are over 1000 serial killers missing from this page, and at least 500 of them are extremely credible, such as Gertraud Arzberger. Plus, how are people going to know which serial need pages, if there isn't a list of them. Is Vlad the impaler a serial killer? I noticed that a serial killer wasn't listed here because he wasn't convicted, yet the zodiac killer and others are listed. I'm confused. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Tivaelydoc (talk • contribs)
 * i think that the zodiac killer counts because of the crimes that he committed. Vlad the Impaler is a specific person, and he may not meet the criteria for a serial killer. The Zodiac killer does fit the criteria, but we don't know who the zodiac killer actually is.

Indian serial killers
Why an user removes Moninder Singh Pandher and Surender Koli of the INDIAN section of serial killers.... they killed 19 or more innocent little girls... so... why????Ahmed987147 (talk) 02:15, 14 December 2007 (UTC)
 * I just want to throw in my two cents. I think they need to be in this list, because there is over a dozen other serial killers in this list that aren't convicted. If you kill 19 people for pleasure, then you are a serial killer. (User:tivaelydoc) 12:54, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

"Son" of the Zodiac
I noticed that someone put down that the Zodiac was discovered & that they had his son listed. I removed that since not only has the Zodiac not been found, but there's no proof & no notability. (And it's not even mentioned on the Zodiac page.) I was unable to find that name via a google search, so evidently it's some crackpot with a theory. Besides, he shouldn't list a random name & location- it could lead to strange people tracking him down & bothering him. Tokyogirl79 (talk) 06:36, 15 July 2008 (UTC)Tokyogirl79

Abdullah Shah
Abdullah Shah has been added to this list twice in two days; however, I disagree with its inclusion at this time. The main article is a stub without sources; therefore, none of the information (including the number of victims and serial killer-related categories) is verifiable. I welcome other editors thoughts/opinions.  momoricks   (make my day)  04:20, 11 March 2009 (UTC)

AP reported an alleged L.A. serial killer
"Police believe a 72-year-old insurance claims adjuster arrested earlier this month is the most prolific serial killer in the city's history, having raped and strangled as many as 30 older women over two decades." 
 * jwalling (talk) 01:22, 1 May 2009 (UTC)

Editnotice
Per request of User:CharlotteWebb I have added an editnotice to this page. It can be viewed at Template:Editnotices/List of serial killers by country. &mdash; Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:25, 9 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Thank you, Martin. The editnotice works nicely. momo  ricks  02:26, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
 * Grrr… apparently it still cannot be edited except by admins. — CharlotteWebb 01:27, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

the monster of florence is not known yet —Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.18.160.184 (talk) 12:58, 9 August 2009 (UTC)

There were two serial killers I know of in Thailand: One is See Uwee (sp?), an ethnic Chinese who killed (and I believe ate) children in the province of Rayong in the late '50s; another, Charles ??_____ preyed on Western tourists in the 1970s; he later went on the Nepal to continue the work. Eventually he was arrested and imprisoned in Nepal, I believe. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.106.18.193 (talk) 12:43, 24 August 2009 (UTC) Perhaps you're thinking of :

"Zee Oui" is a surprisingly grisly tale of Thai serial killer and cannibal,who murders small children.Li Hui is a Chinese immigrant,who works in Thailand as the butcher.Everone treats him with an utter contempt.Driven completely out of his mind,Li Hui starts killing small children and,if that's not bad enough,he also believes he must eat their hearts and livers,in order to contain his severe tuberculosis."Zee Oui" is actually based on a true crime case of cannibalistic serial killer. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0471977/

and

Hatchand Bhaonani Gurumukh Charles Sobhraj (born April 6, 1944), better known as Charles Sobhraj, is a French serial killer of Indian and Vietnamese origin, who preyed on Western tourists throughout Southeast Asia during the 1970s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Sobhraj —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.107.217.12 (talk) 02:14, 25 August 2009 (UTC)

11 december 2009: not documented additions ?

All the things I have had to this page has been deleted. I'm really upset. It was not vandalism. All of these serial killers had already pages on the french wikipedia and some also on the english wikipedia so I think it's documented. One example: the carver of Mons is not a lie but a real serial killer see this link if you don't believe me http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/D%C3%A9peceur_de_Mons. The mad killers of Brabant are not my invention http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nivelles_gang. For Marie Besnard I think she is a serial killer: see here http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marie_Besnard. Pierre Bodein really exists http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pierre_Bodein... For Patrice Alègre see http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Al%C3%A8gre Idem for Florence Rey. There was also corrections: number of victims (see this page http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_de_tueurs_en_s%C3%A9rie), accomplices in the case of couples of serial killer : Fourniret and Olivier, Paulin and Mathurin (8 victims for Mathurin)...). An other example Paulin is most known in France as le "tueur des vieilles dames" than as "le monstre de Montmartre". Was it a mistake to add aka "the beast of Montmartre" or "the old ladies killer" which has been deleted ? Everything has been thrown out and you treat me like a bot. I'm sorry if I did something wrong. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.179.68.137 (talk) 13:35, 11 December 2009 (UTC)
 * don't get upset. It is very good if those that aren't here that are included in the French Wikipedia get added. The only thing is that it is needed that the additions to be referenced. If you could help, creating the English page for those that don't have it. It would be great.

If that is too much work you an also add references to the end of the article about you additions. Notice that a page in French Wikipedia should not be a reference to be used. Thanks for helping  franklin   14:57, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Yo. I removed the following sentence from the Argentina Section: "* Scott Bieg : killed 33 Homosexual Men before his arrest in 2010." This was within 2 minutes of seeing this: "* Scott Bieg : murdered 334 homosexual men before being raped by an elephant." Obviously we are being trolled. --Pooch —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.14.180.71 (talk) 16:28, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from GuyinColumbia, 15 May 2010
Please add the following to this page:

Igor Suprunyuck and Viktor Sayenko – Called the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs (taken from the name of the Ukrainian region in which the events occurred), these 19 year old men killed 21 people during a month-long killing spree in the Summer of 2007. Their heinous acts were made more infamous because they videtaped several of the murders, including the post-mortem gutting of a pregnant woman for her unborn fetus, and the brutal, extended torture and mutilation of a 48 year old man while he was still alive, ending in his death by bludgeoning.

GuyinColumbia (talk) 21:18, 15 May 2010 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.  — fetch ·  comms   22:49, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

It was on there before, but someone took it out... I put it back in - but I'm not sure yet how to make the link go to their page. In terms of sources, all anybody has to do is go to their page...it speaks for itself. Now i'm going to try to figure out how to make the link work, if somebody gets to it before me then cheers. Lenachka25 (talk) 03:27, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

ha! I got it! it was actually pretty easy to do. Anyways, I don't understand why somebody took it out in the first place, they are clearly serial killers and there are tons of reliable sources on their article page. So yeah, done and done :)) Lenachka25 (talk) 03:32, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Okay.... can somebody PLEASE tell me why the h** the Dnepropetrovsk Maniacs are taken out again? Like is somebody obsessed with them and doesn't want them listed as serial killers or something?? There are NUMEROUS sources.. they have their own page... and they are very CLEARLY serial killers. Seriously, whoever keeps taking it out - please stop doing that. I'm fixing it. Thanks. Lenachka25 (talk) 16:19, 21 May 2010 (UTC)
 * The edit that removed them suggested that they didn't meet the criteria for the list. The linked definition is: "A serial killer is a person who murders three or more people over a period of more than thirty days, with a "cooling off" period between each murder, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification." According to their article, they don't match this description. -- zzuuzz (talk) 16:35, 21 May 2010 (UTC)

Thank you for explaining the reasoning to me, zzuuzz.. I guess the only part of the criteria they don't fit is taking 'cooling off' periods. They are commonly referred to as serial killers, but I guess we have to follow the linked definition to a t. So then "technically" they are spree killers. Once again, thank you for pointing it out to me - it was starting to get to me that somebody kept changing it and not explaining why. Take care - Cheers! Lenachka25 (talk) 07:47, 22 May 2010 (UTC)

András Pándy
He was born in 1927, yet this summary sentence states he was hung in 1923? AKA "Vader Blauwbaard" (Father Bluebeard); convicted of the murder and rape of his two wives and four children hung at prison in 1923 200.48.253.151 (talk) 17:46, 11 June 2010 (UTC)

John Bodkin Adams
"* John Bodkin Adams: Was an Irish-born British general practitioner, convicted fraudster and suspected serial killer. Between the years 1946–1956, more than 160 of his patients died under suspicious circumstances"

I think this should be removed.he was a suspected serial killer but wasn't convicted.If you want to add suspected serial killers to the list you will need about ten pages. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cawley777 (talk • contribs) 04:21, 4 August 2010 (UTC)

Long Island Serial Killer
We have a serial killer on Long Island right now (Long Island Press article - January 24, 2011). He has killed at least four prostitutes between 2007 and 2010. The four bodies were all recently found within a short distance of each other near Gilgo Beach. He also called the sister of one of the victims in 2007 using the victim's cell phone in order to taunt her about the murder. I'm not sure of the rules of how this information is entered on this page so I am only putting it here so someone else can decide. The killer doesn't have a fancy name yet.Tgpaul58 (talk) 04:34, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

He definitely is a serial killer, but until he is caught and there is no evident proof that more murders are related to him I think we should wait. It could be another Zodiac, but let´s assume that the police will catch him. I think you should wait a week or two, and then just add him to the list. Linen1978 (talk) 16:26, 26 April 2011 (UTC)Linen1978

Racial identity in article
In order to avoid an edit war, I would like to bring to start a discussion on how much details should be included in this article relating to racial identities of victims. Myself and another editor have been doing edits over one entry, specifically under the heading of unsolved murders in Canada (Highway of Tears). There are a number of reasons why I don't think that emphasizing victims' racial identity is necessarily warranted in this article: 1) These are unsolved murders and we don't know whether racial identity was even a factor in the victims' disapperances and probable murders 2) No other entry on this page mentions racial identity. Drawing attention to the racial identity of the victims suggests to the reader that it is somehow important and as already stated, we don't know whether race is important in these cases. 3) There is another Wikipedia page which discusses these unsolved cases in more detail, including the discussion on racial identity of victims. Every victim mentioned in this page has an identity which includes many factors including racial identity, gender, and religous background. What I am asking is that racial identity shouldn't be something emphasized unless its related to the murder.

I'll let the other editor share his opinion, should he choose to join this discussion.DivaNtrainin (talk) 18:46, 13 February 2011 (UTC)

Robin Gecht needs to be added to the list of US Serial Killers along with Edward Spreitzer, Andrew Kokoraleis, and Thomas Kokoraleis. They are believed to have killed at least 18 people as the 'Ripper Crew' Mr Antony M Jones (talk) 03:23, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Alphabetical Order
If some fine wiki contributor would re-order the killers alphabetically within the country..
 * 3 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.47.223.63 (talk) 03:35, 25 May 2011 (UTC)
 * Done, there weren't many changes to be made. I am unsure on the naming systems in Finland or the Czech Republic, so can somebody do those? Ryan Vesey (talk) 03:58, 25 May 2011 (UTC)

Where is anything on David William Shearing?
Can someone explain why there is absolutely NO information on one of British Columbia, Canada's most gruesome mass murderers? A group of 6 family members (2 grandparents, 2 parents, 2 children [girls 11 & 13]) were killed in Wells Gray Provincial park [in B.C] in the summer of 1982. David William Shearing cold-bloodedly stalked and killed the grandparents & parents as they sat by a campfire. He then sexually assualted the 2 little girls for the next 7 days before killing them. He then placed all the bodies in one of their cars and torched it. I live in the town that the Johnson's & Bentley's were from [Westbank, British Columbia] and often visit the memorial Aquatic Centre that was erected in their names. A book, "The Seventh Shadow", documents the events of the entire ordeal, and was written by Mike Eastham, the chief investigator for this case. I would think this qualifies this individual as a noteworthy entry for this page? If not this page, then at least an article on the individual. I'm not very familiar with adding content to Wikipedia, so I may not be the best person to address the issue... but then how do I request someone to add an article to the main Wikipedia content? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 139.142.92.146 (talk) 15:42, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

He wouldn't qualify for this page because his murders were too close together to be a serial killer. He'd be classed as a spree killer, or perhaps a family annihilator, even though it wasn't his own family. Pistachio disguisey (talk) 13:10, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Edit request from, 4 November 2011
Konrad Egan also as Analknight; murdered three women in his home school in Ahrensburg, Schleswig Holstein

DSickZz (talk) 21:43, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
 * - as per the essay Write the article first that I agree with when it comes to lists. That said need help starting a new article? The article wizard  will help you through the process of submitting a new article to Wikipedia....Or

However - before starting a new article! - Notability is a  concern that must be adhered to. See Notability for more information.Moxy (talk) 21:51, 4 November 2011 (UTC)

Missing cases
You haven't listed Peter Nirsch (520 murders), Kampatimar Shankariya (70+ murders), Vasili Komaroff (33 murders), Fernando Hernandez Leyva (33+ victims), David Thabo Simelane (28+ murders), Abul Djabar (65+ victims), Mariam Soulakiotis (177 victims) and Hadj Mohammed Mesfewi (36+ victims). I have written the same messages in the discussion of the list of serial killers by victims. You can find those killers around the Net. Anyway you haven't got an article about them, but you may add them with a citation. --2.36.239.95 (talk) 21:39, 26 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 29 November 2011
El taco furiozo: also known as "Niko"; Blew an entire taco bell up in 1973!

161.52.14.38 (talk) 08:17, 29 November 2011 (UTC)
 * ❌ Do you have any sources for this? --Jnorton7558 (talk) 16:19, 29 November 2011 (UTC)

Edit request on 10 January 2012
England. Peter Dinsdale known as Bruce Lee lived and killed in Hull, East Yorkshire was convicted of 26 counts of manslaughter in 1981 by Arson.

Trinityz75 (talk) 03:20, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌...pls see the essay Write the article first and policy Red link.Moxy (talk) 18:48, 10 January 2012 (UTC)

That said need help starting a new article? The article wizard will help you through the process of submitting a new article to Wikipedia....Or

However - before starting a new article! - Notability is a  concern that must be adhered to. See Notability for more information.


 * Reopening: there is an article about this guy, see Bruce George Peter Lee. I think he qualifies for addition to the list. – ukexpat (talk) 19:26, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * A couple seconds of research might have turned up the article, which has been around for years. EDIT: as I mentioned on the list of serial killers by number of victims article, is he classified as a serial arsonist or a serial killer? — Bility (talk) 19:27, 10 January 2012 (UTC)


 * Can he be both? – ukexpat (talk) 19:35, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Sure, depending on the definition. Personally, I wouldn't classify him as a serial killer since his motivation is creating fires, not killing people, but if he fits the definition for inclusion on the list then that's another matter. I'm just asking whether he fits this list's definition. — Bility (talk) 19:42, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
 * ❌, unless a source can be found that calls him a serial killer, it's not for us to decide-- Jac 16888 Talk 15:50, 23 January 2012 (UTC)

Need an explanation pls
I would appreciate an explanation of why my addition was reverted this edit.
 * First pls explain why the Unreferenced tag was deleted despite the article not having one ref -  we have an article that has many many many many  facts being stated that are not sourced regardless if someone thinks is just a list - its a list with facts that have no reference at all WP:Burden - Citation needed - See List of people with hepatitis C for how references are used in lists because we are stating facts.
 * Secondly I have added a book to a  further reading section that was removed -  A book directly related to the topic and one that all can see (its digitized)  and can be used for references in this article that has none. WP:FURTHER
 * Would like to hear how a book listing almost ever serial killers is not an important addition that could help the article improve (that happens to also be an external link WP:ELNO). See here. We are here to empower our readers with  knowledge - See Wikimedia Foundation mission statement.   Moxy (talk) 06:07, 29 January 2012 (UTC)
 * If you want an explanation you can read my edit comments, as they fully explained it. But for people who didn't read them or want expanded information:
 * First, this article is not expected to and should not have references. The references for list articles like this go on the article that each list entry item goes to. To put references for each individual entry would give a long, unwieldy list of unnecessary references for what is noncontroversial and for which many more references would exist on the parent articles. If the parent articles do not have appropriate references they should be deleted and the name removed from this list.
 * Second, this particular book is rather unscholarly, and it seems odd to pick just one book out of the literally thousands that could be listed. I see you added it to a bunch of articles. That is basically free marketing for an otherwise unremarkable book. Book pages also do not qualify under WP:EL rules, so that argument fails as well.
 * Thirdly, your edit comments are rude and uncalled for. Saying "perhaps you could use the book...wow wish all could understand what wiki is" is snarky and ironic, considering that I do not need the book (having a large number of better books, and having written some myself), and I understand what Wikipedia is just fine, thank you. You might brush up on our basic operating principles yourself. DreamGuy (talk) 04:34, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * So to be clear your saying that list articles that state facts are void from our verifiability rules?  Your argument is that the info (facts) in this article may or may not be references in other articles so  does not need to be here because of this?  Your also saying that we should not have references because it will clutter the page to much? Pls see WP:Source list for our actual guideline.  As for the book - hes a well published  author in crime and has been recognized by his peers  hes books. So to be clear -  in your opinion the books is no good and was  deleted because you "dont like it" or because you think there are better books and/or because "you" dont need it? Perhaps  readover I just don't like it]  These  positions above are so  far off our policies that I cant see us resolving this here - So i will move on and leave these articles alone.  I have also noticed you have removed some book links  as seen here with the reasoning "no external links in body" could you also pls read WP:BOOKLINKS before doing this again. Moxy (talk) 05:10, 30 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Maybe you should actually read them yourself, because they do not say what you seem to think they say. You can't just cite official sounding pages and pretend you know what they say just to support whatever you want to do. They have to actually back you up. I do not know if you are purposefully being deceptive or are very confused.DreamGuy (talk) 00:59, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Still after showing you the policies your holding your position. Just dont know what to say - I always assume that common sense will prevail even in this case here. Not one policy linked or remotely referenced thus far for your position by you or anyone. I guess this is because there is no guideline out there  that says a   certain type of list or article is void from references. So lets go over this point by point so that what the community has set fourth is clear and you may avoid conflicts of this nature in the future. Moxy (talk) 06:12, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
 * Your position - "lists don't need references" even ones that have facts of them.
 * Our policy on that "Lists, whether they are embedded lists or stand-alone lists, are encyclopedic content as are paragraphs and articles, and they are equally subject to Wikipedia's content policies such as Verifiability"
 * Even says "ensure that each item to be included on the list is adequately referenced and that the page on which the list appears' as a whole represents a neutral point of view"
 * Your position on why you removed the book links from the other page "no external links in body"
 * Our policy on that Like other variations on citation styles, there is no requirement either to add or remove such links.
 * The policy page even gives a nice link for all to see the debate here - discussing  how we would prefer our editor not to go around deleting these links if they are valid (meaning a preview).
 * As for the removal of the book here in it's entirety is still at a loss to me - I see no problem with the book - Its removal is based on your "so called expertise" in the subject, thus determining that an award wining authors book is no good.
 * The "I dont like it" and "I am the expert" arguments are something we generally find invalid in this types of discussion.

Retrial for Bathory
Would it be possible for someone to rethink if Bathory should be on the list of serial killers due to the evidence against her being rumours and hearsay negating a strong legal base for convicting her of such atrocities? The circumstances for her reputation are based on the desire for her land by powerful Catholic nobles during her lifetime and as such the need for evidence against her in order to obtain her land necessitated the gruesome tales of dead serving girls sans blood which was "found to have been bathed in". Blood congeals very quickly and would have made Bathory dirtier than before she got in so why the hell would she do such a thing?

78.148.78.116 (talk) 23:48, 1 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 22 June 2012
Hi! I'd like to suggest a correction in the article. In the place of Macedonia you should put F.Y.R Macedonia cause Macedonia is a Greek place and F.Y.R.O.M has not been recognized as Macedonia. This name for another country is not fair for Greece.

Thank you.

Dimitraktr (talk) 13:54, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made.... Also, I'm not to clear on the point your trying to make Mdann52 (talk) 15:44, 22 June 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 19 July 2012
Hi! I'd like to suggest a correction to the list concerning "sweden" and "Thomas Quick". I suggest someone with account erase him as a killer or make an ad to the text concerning the fact that his verdicts is in the process of being overturned. For sources see Thomas Quick, http://www.thelocal.se/29232/20100924/ or http://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=5053341

Thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.102.53.40 (talk) 13:17, 19 July 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 September 2012
My request is to add the Belgian serial killer Marc Dutroux on the list.

87.212.141.114 (talk) 16:25, 9 September 2012 (UTC)

Done Illia Connell (talk) 02:44, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 21 September 2012
Canadian Serial killers -- http://www.unsolvedcanada.ca/index.php?topic=2421.0 David William Threinen

208.97.117.150 (talk) 20:46, 21 September 2012 (UTC)


 * Red question icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please be more specific about what needs to be changed. Rivertorch (talk) 17:32, 23 September 2012 (UTC)

Dunblane
Suggest inclusion of Thomas Hamilton for Scotland who killed 17 in school shooting in 1996 source is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunblane_school_massacre — Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.168.165.117 (talk) 01:04, 24 September 2012 (UTC)
 * Why do you think he was a serial killer? Rivertorch (talk) 05:08, 24 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit Request - Javed Iqbal (erroneous information)
Javed Iqbal committed suicide in 2001, not 1991. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 206.55.180.8 (talk) 21:58, 28 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on Feb 3, 2013
Doglovervet (talk) 00:59, 4 February 2013 (UTC)inclusion of mohan kumar Mohan Kumar-Killed 20 girls
 * Sorry, I think we need a better source for that. Rivertorch (talk) 06:22, 4 February 2013 (UTC)

Edit request Feb 19, 2013
Madradish (talk) The Highway of tears in the unidentified serial killer section could more usefully be redirected to point to [] (I hope I'm doing this right, it's my first edit request!)  —Preceding undated comment added 10:32, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Mass killers are not serial killers
Could we just ensure that people do not expand the list to include mass killers eg terrorist or random shootings as these perpetrators are not serial killers.

Thanks — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.159.164.33 (talk) 10:33, 4 February 2014 (UTC)

Completability
Top says, "[list] may never be able to satisfy particular standards for completeness". I disagree. Criminal criteria for "serial killer" are I believe quite defined (three+ victims, non-spree, etc.). In such case, there is a quite limited number of serial killers in each legislation. I suggest changing it. 16:32, 7 May 2014 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 178.42.144.2 (talk)  (Fuck. Off. SineBot. I did sign the comment, with five tildes in fact rather than just four. You're quite getting on my nerves. Can I opt outta you?)

More serial killers from Argentina

 * Domingo Cayetano Grossi, between 1896 and 1899, he killed his 5 children born from sexual relations with his two stepdaughters, the first multiple killer on Argentina's history. Sentenced to death by firing squad in 1900.
 * Florencio Fernández, "the Argentine Vampire", during 1950' decade he killed several women (supposedly 15) by biting their neck. Arrested and secluded in a psychiatric institution in 1960, died from natural causes some years later.
 * Francisco Antonio Laureana, "The Timely Murderer", raped and killed at least 10 women between 1974 and 1975. Killed almost all his victims on Wednesday and Thursday around 18 PM. Shot down by police in February 27th of 1975.
 * Walter Di Giusti, killed two women in October 31st of 1986 and three more (one of them pregnant) in November 7th of 1986. Sentenced to life imprisonment in 1987, died in 1998 in a hospital of unknown causes.
 * Marcelo Antelo, killed 5 young men to offer them in sacrifice to San La Muerte during 2010. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 200.55.47.49 (talk) 22:48, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
 * When articles are written about these individuals, they can be added to the list.--ukexpat (talk) 15:47, 19 May 2014 (UTC)


 * So because these killers do not have their own article on the English version of Wikipedia they can not be added here like if they didn't have existed? That doesn't make sense. There's a lot of data that can be used as source.

edit request 07/06/2014
i have the request i you would add the 2 belgian killers hans van themsche and kim de gelder — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:1812:2001:9C00:FDCB:F910:BCDA:3242 (talk) 14:14, 7 June 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 July 2014
Please change 'tree' to 'three' in the following sentence in 1.37 Mexico:

Mario Alberto Sulú Canché: activated between 2007 and 2008, in Mérida, Yucatán. Killed tree young girls, death in prison.

ElizabethLye (talk) 10:14, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

✅ Thanks for pointing that out - Arjayay (talk) 10:20, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Mass murderers vs serial killers
There is a world of difference between the two pathologies. Serial killers are high functioning human beings who live a separate secret life and take pleasure in killing people over the course of many years. Mass murderers are generally socially dysfunctional people who commit one large multiple killing, then go out in a blaze of suicidal glory. To be factual, this page needs to be either : --Tallard (talk) 13:30, 6 December 2014 (UTC)
 * 1) Split into two separate articles
 * 2) Retitled and divided up into two columns to reflect the entirely different pathologies.

Ireland
Has Ireland never had a serial killer??
 * This list is not complete. Feel free to expand it; however, please follow the page guidelines when doing so. They are included at the top of each section as hidden comments. Thanks,  momoricks   make my day  01:27, 4 December 2008 (UTC)

Added Irish Serial killer Lenny Murphy. Tcla75 (talk) 11:57, 26 January 2011 (UTC)

Reverted vandalism by user Pistachio disguisey. If you want to delete entries please state your reasons for doing so in discussion page otherwise it will be seen as vandalism. Tcla75 (talk) 08:39, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * I have reverted your reversion. Murphy does not appear to fit the definition of a serial killer used for this article. – ukexpat (talk) 17:02, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not a site for what you personally believe the definition of a serial killer should be. There are numerous news articles that describe Lenny murphy and his gang as serial killers.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/local-national/shankill-butcher-dies-14306112.html and

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sunday-life/a-legacy-of-hatred-14312998.html

If you can show through verifiable sources that he does not fit the definition of a serial killer then you can delete the entry otherwise I will just keep reverting. Tcla75 (talk) 23:30, 27 January 2011 (UTC)


 * See Serial killer - that's the inclusion criterion for this list: A serial killer is typically defined as a person who murders three or more people over a period of more than 30 days, with a "cooling off" period between each murder, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification. So it does not include terrorists, mob enforcers, assassins and other such undesirables. – ukexpat (talk) 03:28, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

'A serial killer is typically defined as a person who murders three or more people over a period of more than 30 days

Check

with a "cooling off" period between each murder

Check

and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification.

absolutely check

and for you to say it does not include terrorists, mob enforcers, assassins and other such undesirables? I'm sorry but you are just some random guy on the internet. What qualifies you to make such a broad statement. Next you will be saying doctors and such can't be classified as serial killers. As I said before show don't say and E. Fokker saying "He was never convicted of murder, so cannot be a serial killer" shows how unqualified you are to be editing this topic. Read up on the Zodiac Killer who was never convicted of murder. Tcla75 (talk) 10:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)


 * It is not just me saying this. No one else on the list is a terrorist, mob enforcer, assassin or other such undesirable. That's the way the list has developed and how the other contributors to it have interpreted its inclusion criterion. Also, please be careful how you label other contributors - "some random guy on the internet" is not a personal attack but you seem to be heading close to the line. Please comment on content, not contributors. If you want to take this further, I suggest that you open a formal request for comment or follow other dispute resolution procedures. Threatening to keep reverting to your favoured version is edit warring and disruptive. – ukexpat (talk) 15:22, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

I have provided links that he is a serial killer others have provided their personal opinion. Wikipedia is not a site for what people believe to be true. Until anyone can provide proof that invalidate the links I have provided then I will revert their Vandalism. Tcla75 (talk) 14:09, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * That is edit warring, disruptive and pointy. – ukexpat (talk) 14:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Ok point taken what others are doing is Disruptive editing and not Vandalism. Tcla75 (talk) 16:55, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

More links that call members of the Shankill Butchers serial killers.

http://www.epinions.com/review/The_Shankill_Butchers_by_Martin_Dillon/content_408277978756

http://www.thefreelibrary.com/SHANKILL+BUTCHER+DIES+FROM+A+HEART+ATTACK%3B+Alcoholic+serial+killer...-a0199962282

http://www.amazon.com/Shankill-Butchers-Martin-Dillon/dp/0415922313

http://www.amazon.com/Resurrection-Man-Region-David-Williamson/dp/B000260NUO

Is there anyone disputing these links? Or are you just going to ignore them and continue Disruptive editing. If anyone can show that his main motivation for the murders were not psychological gratification and show how he wasn't a person who murdered three or more people over a period of more than 30 days, with a "cooling off" period between each murder, and whose motivation for killing is largely based on psychological gratification and not terrorism then I will listen. However nobody is doing this. No one are showing links that show this. You are showing that you have a problem with him being labeled as a serial killer for personal reasons. Tcla75 (talk) 17:22, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

You demand an article saying Lenny Murphy's motivation WAS NOT psychological gratification when you haven't provided one that says it was. This is argumentum ad ignorantiam. You demand an article saying he WAS NOT a serial killer. Why would anyone write such an article? Articles don't tend to be written about what people aren't. By that reckoning we should include everyone who the tabloid press deems a serial killer. Your wording of the entry is fallacious. If the killings were random then how did the gang know they were Catholics? And if the gang did know they were Catholics then how could the killings have been random? Pistachio disguisey (talk) 18:57, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Lenny Murphy appears to have been a pretty unstable character (who isn't, who kills so many people?) but to all appearances his killings were politically or religiously motivated rather than pathologically. I have not checked the various sources describing him as a serial killer, and don't dispute that they may do so; but *this* article has a pretty specific definition associated with it and there's no indication that Lenny Murphy's killing meets it in each respect.  I think, Tcla75, you're swimming against the current here and you had best leave that particular entry out until other editors are persuaded that it belongs here.  (I'd note too that you're right on the verge of edit warring here, having reverted no fewer than three separate editors who do not agree with the inclusion.)  Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 19:39, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

"you haven't provided one that says it was." and with that simple comment you obviously didn't look at one single link I provided.Tcla75 (talk) 21:11, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Well, I took the trouble to go through those four links, and ascertained that in fact none of them qualifies as a reliable source describing Murphy as a serial killer. (This being wholly apart from the issue of whether those characterizations would matter for this article.)  The Freelibrary link is about a different person.  The epinions link is broken, and the material in the two Amazon links comes from commenters (or a reviewer).  Please do not reinsert this person without consensus.  Thanks.  JohnInDC (talk) 21:21, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Any editor can read through the links I have provided which link to news articles about the killings and links to experts in the field who wrote and reviewed books. If you can explain why they are not valid and you are right then I will not revert the deletion of the entry but not one person has done that so far. Wikipedia is about providing sources to your claims which I have done on numerous occasions but not one person yet has disputed those sources just used a [|straw man argument] saying none of the other editors agree with you or he doesn't seem to fit the definition of a serial killer. Well I'm sorry but that is not a valid argument. Besides the links I have provided Lenny Murphy ticks all the categories of a serial killer. If it was only Catholics that he killed then I could see your point but he also killed protestants too. Tcla75 (talk) 21:37, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Do you have a source for the assertion that he killed Protestants as well? That would be helpful to your argument.  In the meantime please do not reinsert him.  JohnInDC (talk) 21:40, 2 February 2011 (UTC)
 * I am curious about that assertion, because the linked Wikipedia article describes *several* killings of Catholic victims, but none of Protestants. Just search for each word in the article text - "Protestant" comes up only twice - describing Murphy - but is throughout the page in describing his victims.  The article is, of course, not a reliable source; but it certainly seems to suggest that his primary aim was killing Catholics, not killing random people just for the sick thrill of it.  JohnInDC (talk) 21:44, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

You can find it here http://books.google.ie/books?id=vUijS8Fsbf4C&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false and also please do not delete the entry unless you can give a valid reason for doing so. Tcla75 (talk) 21:55, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * There are now three editors who do not agree with you and yet you still edit war against consensus. I have given you a three revert warning. If you persist you will be reported and blocked. – ukexpat (talk) 22:03, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Aw, Tcla. That's a whole book.  Point me to a place - a page! - where it describes the Protestants he killed too.  JohnInDC (talk) 22:30, 2 February 2011 (UTC)


 * I don't claim to have read the whole thing, but I did peruse the Foreword, where Conor Cruise O'Brien talks about the author (Dillon's) explanation of how Murphy became a "hunter and killer of Catholics". O'Brien opines, parenthetically, that Murphy might have been in fact a simple sadist who regarded killing Catholics as the most acceptable way to indulge his pathology - but this is expressed as personal opinion and is (apparently) offered in contrast to the themes set forth in the book.  (This is all on page xii of the linked book above, if anyone else wants to check it out.)  JohnInDC (talk) 22:51, 2 February 2011 (UTC)

Ukexpat I don't take kindly to threats. Report me I will fight my case and if you revert this page again I will report you. I won't be so pompous however to assume you will be blocked if I do report you. I think others decide that. Tcla75 (talk) 06:50, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Ya actually I can see that I automatically will be blocked. Well I know there are going to be some smug people here after this. To be honest I don't care what others think no one was able to dismiss the links that I provided. With comments like "Excellent; reporting you now." sorry but thats just being smug Tcla75 (talk) 07:09, 3 February 2011 (UTC)


 * Tcla, I've been trying very hard to engage you in fruitful discussion, asking you several times to supply a source that - beyond employing the simple *phrase* "serial killer" to describe Lenny Murphy - actually describes him in a way that meets the explicit criteria for this particular page. Specifically I have been asking you to provide some reliable source that describes Murphy as a killer motivated not by religious or political hatred, but instead by pathological enjoyment or need (i.e., the 3d criterion).  I have in fact done a better job of it than you, by finding an example of that sort of thing out of the Foreword of the book (the *entire* book) which you vaguely offered up as a source; but as I also explained, the separately-authored Foreword is presented as an opinion, not a fact, and appears to contradict one of the theses of the book you offer in support of your position.  So long as you keep repeating the same points over and over and ignore specific observations that directly undermine your position, it will be difficult or impossible to achieve consensus, and you'll inevitably wind up blocked.  JohnInDC (talk) 12:16, 3 February 2011 (UTC)

Well after a 72 hour ban and being removed from this edit war I've had time to calm down a bit and look at it from a different perspective. I've also had time to read other edit wars and how even when you are wrong you can get caught up in arguments that go on and on. Even though I still do believe he fits the characteristics of a serial killer there is not enough reliable sources to prove such. Also the list is for people who are only notorious because they are serial killers and Lenny Murphy does not fit that criteria so I'm man enough to admit when I am wrong. Tcla75 (talk) 18:31, 7 February 2011 (UTC)
 * Welcome back, Tcla, and here's to a long career of productive Wikipedia editing! JohnInDC (talk) 11:44, 8 February 2011 (UTC)

What about Dorcas Kelly (AKA Darkey Kelly). New evidence has found that she was Ireland´s first serial killer. Executed January 7th 1761 for the murder of five men at her brothel (Maiden Tower Brothel) on Copper Alley, off Fishamble Street, Dublin. see media report here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.78.250.183 (talk) 22:44, 29 December 2014 (UTC)

Italian Serial Killers
Daniela Poggiali must be removed, she has been accused and arrested, but as for today (february 2015) no trial has begun yet. Most famous serial killer known as the Monster of Florence is missing. But His real identity is still unknown — Preceding unsigned comment added by Altemps1 (talk • contribs) 14:10, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

PS: Roberto Succo as well is missing, and please note mrs. Tofana has been killed after her confession under torture. Pietro Pacciani still missing today 21-06-21. - greetings, Alex

Hayden Poulter
Removed New Zeland serial killer Hayden Poulter who was added with source. Can be added back to the list when there is an article.
 * Aucklander who convicted of murdering 3 sex workers, and sent 14 years in jail.  ExRat (talk) 23:17, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

Missing French serial killer
Charles Sobhraj is missing.

From the wikipedia page: Charles Sobhraj (born 6 April 1944), also known as the Proofreader, is a French serial killer of Vietnamese and Indian origin, who preyed on Western tourists throughout Southeast Asia during the 1970s. Nicknamed "The Splitting Killer" and "The Serpent", due to his skill at deception and evasion, Sobhraj allegedly committed at least 12 murders. He was convicted and jailed in India from 1976 to 1997. After his release, he retired as a celebrity in Paris. He returned to Nepal and was arrested and tried there. He was convicted of murder by the Supreme Court of Nepal on 12 August 2004. Sobhraj received a sentence of life imprisonment — Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.216.145 (talk) 03:21, 20 March 2015 (UTC)

Portugueses serial killers missing
You have to edit this.


 * Lisbon Ripper


 * Manuel"Palito" Baltazar


 * Jorge Silveira, living in Brazil


 * Francisco Leitão (Ghob King) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Guimas4PT (talk • contribs) 13:23, 8 July 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 November 2015
Joanna Dennehy who is a serial killer from the UK has now be sentenced to life imprisonment; it still says that she is awaiting sentence.

147.188.254.171 (talk) 12:59, 12 November 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 11 January 2016
Add to Australia: Martin Bryant pleaded guilty to murdering 35 people and injuring 23 others in the Port Arthur massacre, a shooting spree in Port Arthur, Tasmania, Australia, in 1996

202.161.69.198 (talk) 00:35, 11 January 2016 (UTC)


 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: According to policy, a serial killer is "someone who murders three or more people, usually due to abnormal psychological gratification, with the murders taking place over more than a month and including a significant break (a "cooling off period") between them." - Martin Bryant does not seem to meet this criteria. --allthefoxes (Talk)  05:13, 11 January 2016 (UTC)

"The Manchester Pusher" - Unidentified killer?
So, I was looking over the unidentified killer section of the article, and followed through to the article of unidentified US serial killers . Reading up on them I catched the theoretical Smiley Face Killer, a theory that around 40 murders in the US were down to one or multiple serial killers, even though the only evidence is the suggestion and profiling from one investigator.

So I remembered another case similar in the UK where there was a possibility of a serial killer, or it might just be down to other factors, but some investigators give credence to this suggestion. The Manchester Pusher refers to the deaths of as few as 18 but could be as high as the 60s. I'd say make of the theory as you will, I just thought if the Smiley Face Killer is being included, this could logically be included as well for unidentified killers.

A few URLs to newspaper articles, some for and some against the theory;

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/features/6264479/Sun-Investigation-Are-60-mystery-deaths-around-Manchesters-waterways-the-work-of-a-serial-killer.html

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/serial-killer-dubbed-the-pusher-7204892

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2016/01/19/manchester-serial-killer-claims-investigated-by-channel-4_n_9018892.html

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/11350062/Who-is-stalking-the-canals-and-streets-of-Manchester.html

YingBlanc (talk) 23:25, 8 May 2016 (UTC)

Sid Ahmed Rezala
Please add Sid Ahmed Rezala, a French serial killer. Thank you.--Sar13579 (talk) 10:17, 14 September 2016 (UTC)

Russell Williams - not by definition a serial killer
Looks like Williams killed two, and Wikipedia definition of serial killer is at least three — Preceding unsigned comment added by Camcurwood (talk • contribs) 21:09, 6 July 2016 (UTC)
 * Thanks, I've removed this item. -- zzuuzz (talk) 21:20, 6 July 2016 (UTC)

I still maintain that Russell Williams should be included on this list. "According to the FBI, serial killers are driven by their own reasons, such as anger, thrill or financial gain, though many are sexually motivated. In Canada, serial murders by Russell Williams, Robert Pickton and Paul Bernardo all involved sexual violence." (https://www.thestar.com/news/crime/2014/04/10/three_murder_cases_dont_necessarily_mean_a_serial_killer.html) My argument is that the murders committed by Russell Williams were indeed sexually motivated and there was a "cooling period" of two months between the two murders. Moreover, Williams actually admitted during his interrogation that he may have reoffended had he not been arrested at the time. Therefore, it is likely that the only reason he did not commit more than two murders was because the police caught him after the first two and denied him the opportunity to continue. --Brent Woods 17:48, 13 January 2017 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bwoods (talk • contribs)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 April 2017
Norway Roger Herbert Haglund convicted of 4 murders from september 1991 to december 1992 known as the Tistedalen Murders. Suspect of another two murders. Pengemann (talk) 12:26, 20 April 2017 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. —&thinsp;JJMC89&thinsp; (T·C) 02:48, 8 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 November 2017
3 new serial killer should be listed in Country Japan


 * Chisako Kakehi: is a Japanese woman who was sentenced to death for the murders of three men, including her husband, and for the attempted murder of a fourth; she is also suspected of being responsible for at least seven other deaths
 * Takahiro Shiraishi : renowned as a twitter killer who killed at least 8(7 female,1 male) and receives first murder warrant.
 * Mayumi Saito : A 53y old woman confessed to disposing of four dead infants she had given birth to over a five-year period, placing the bodies in buckets filled with concrete. Parash 04:20, 22 November 2017 (UTC)
 * . I added Chisako Kakehi because she has an article on the English Wikipedia. I left off the other two requests because they don't have articles, that list requires serial killers to be notable, and it's already too long.  City O f  Silver  18:36, 23 November 2017 (UTC)

Mikhail Popkov
Could someone please add a Russian serial killer Mikhail Popkov to the list? Source for example: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/mikhail-popkov-the-werewolf-serial-killer-worst-murderer-soviet-russia-history-worlds-worst-serial-a7654361.html Thank you in advance. 37.157.100.168 (talk) 18:05, 10 January 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2018
Please remove Hu Wanlin from the List of serial killers by country section, see the related discussion at Talk:List of serial killers by number of victims/Archive 2. He has never been convicted of a single murder, and it is a clear and obvious BLP violation to include him in an article titled "List of serial killers by country". 2A02:C7D:3CAF:D900:9CDD:C11:AF3E:54 (talk) 13:39, 13 February 2018 (UTC)

✅ Removed. Plamen1402 (talk) 13:57, 13 February 2018‎ (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 22 February 2018
Someone who is registered on Wikipedia should add this psycho to the Norway serial killer section: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik 2605:E000:8581:3500:4D24:65CD:50A4:3EC8 (talk) 10:25, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

He's a terrorist, not a serial killer. No can do. Plamen1402 (talk) 12:27, 22 February 2018 (UTC)

China serial killers
Article dealing primarily with one serial killer, but discusses others. I don't have time to add info to the Wiki article, so am posting this to share link for those who may have the time.

https://newrepublic.com/article/150576/30-year-manhunt-chinas-elusive-serial-killer

Phantom in ca (talk) 18:50, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 February 2019
Serial killers by country; Norway. The article is missing Anders Behring Breivik On 22 July 2011, he killed eight people by detonating a van bomb amid Regjeringskvartalet in Oslo, then shot dead 69 participants of a Workers' Youth League (AUF) summer camp on the island of Utøya. In July 2012, he was convicted of mass murder, causing a fatal explosion, and terrorism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anders_Behring_Breivik The1Gnome (talk) 15:14, 6 February 2019 (UTC)The1Gnome The1Gnome (talk) 15:14, 6 February 2019 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the template. The word "serial" does not appear in his article.  – Jonesey95 (talk) 19:46, 6 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 March 2019
please change country Macedonia to North Macedonia because there is not country named only Macedonia in the world. 94.70.93.188 (talk) 13:35, 18 March 2019 (UTC) ✅ Mstrojny (talk) 10:18, 20 March 2019 (UTC)

Edit request for Yvan Keller
There's a mistake in the description of French killer Yvan Keller, he killed 23 women, not twenty-three-old women. The wrong part is: "killed and then robbed at least twenty-three old women from 1989 to 2006". It should be "killed and then robbed at least 23 women from 1989 to 2006". — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nizram (talk • contribs) 15:01, 8 December 2019 (UTC)

NIGERIAN HOTEL SERIAL KILLER
Gracious David-West

... ... Gracious David-West (born c. 1980) is a suspected serial killer from Nigeria. From July until September 2019 David-West is suspected of killing at least 15 women, mostly in the city of Port Harcourt. He was apprehended on 19 September 2019. He later confessed to a total of 15 murders. [1] Early life David-West reportedly had a tough childhood, he claims that his mother was poisoned and that as the only son of his father much was expected of him but he could not deliver. [2] He claimed that he attended the branch of the Lord's Chosen Church in Obigbo, where he said that he confessed to the pastor that he had been killing women. The pastor reportedly invited him to a crusade prayer service to heal him. [2] David-West was reportedly a member of the Deebham, a fraternity group that is notorious in Nigeria for engaging in acts of violence and Voodoo.[1] Murders Although David-West reportedly belonged to a criminal group,[3] David-West told authorities that he had acted alone. [1] Modus operandi In a confession, David-West claimed that he had "an irresistible urge to kill" and every night from June to his capture in September he scoured the streets for women in his vehicle. [1] He would proceed to then go to a local hotel where he and the woman would eat, have sex, and then go to bed. In the middle of the night David-West would wake up the victim and threaten her with a knife. He would then turn the television or the radio on high volume, and using strips of cloth he had cut from the pillow cases, he would tie up the victim before manually strangling her.[1] He was arrested when in the early morning of 19 September 2019, a woman who had accompanied to a hotel woke up to David-West tying her up and preparing to suffocate her. David-West and another individual from Kaduna State were arrested and charged with homicide. [4] Trial He was due for arraignment on 22 October 2019 but the absence of his lawyer frustrated his arraignment [5] However, when the case was called up the following day, David-West pleaded guilty to nine murder charges against him but pleaded not guilty to the charge of attempted murder of victim who survived his attack. Trial Judge, Justice Adolphus Enebeli adjourned till 18, 21, 27 and 29 November and 4 December 2019 for hearing and ordered that the suspect be remanded in prison custody. [6] On 23 March 2020 he shocked people in Court when he denied he was the person in any of the images on front page of a newspaper and on a short CCTV video clip of him in a hotel with his alleged last victim, adding that he did not know what the prosecuting state counsel was talking about, since he had not committed any offence. The Judge allowed the video images to be admitted as exhibit, did not accept the copy of the newspaper and adjourned the matter to 27 March 2020 for continuation [7] On 11 June 2020, the Judge gave 21 days to counsels involved in the murder trial to file in their written addresses and adjourned the suit to 29 July 2020 for adoption of written addresses. [8] In August 2020, the presiding judge of the Rivers State High Court sitting in Port Harcourt, Justice Adolphus Enebeli fixed 9th of October 2020 for the delivery of judgment on the murder charges leveled against David-West. [9] References 1. ^ a b c d e Blomfield, Adrian (25 September 2019). "Man confesses to killing 15 women in Port Harcourt hotel murders that rocked Nigeria's oil capital". The Telegraph. Retrieved 25 September 2019. 2. ^ a b Yusuf, Omotayo (20 September 2019). "I told my pastor I kill girls in hotel - Arrested suspected serial killer gives more confession". Legit. Retrieved 25 September 2019. 3. ^ Yusuf, Omotayo (20 September 2019). "Serial killer terrorising women in Port Harcourt arrested by police (photo)". Legit. Retrieved 25 September 2019. 4. ^ Adegun, Aanu (19 September 2019). "Serial killing in Rivers: Police rescue woman in hotel, arrest attacker". Legit. Retrieved 25 September 2019. 5. ^ Edokwe, Bridget (22 October 2019). "Lawyer's absence stalls Port Harcourt serial killer's arraignment". BarristerNG.com. Retrieved 22 October 2019. 6. ^ Edokwe, Bridget (22 October 2019). "Port Harcourt serial killer pleads guilty to charges of murder". BarristerNG.com. Retrieved 23 October 2019. 7. ^ "Port Serial killer case: West denies complicity in death of mine women". thenationonlineng.net. 23 March 2020. Retrieved 24 March 2020. 8. ^ "Trial of alleged serial killer: Counsels get 21 days ultimatum to file written addresses". thenewsnigeria.com.ng. 11 June 2020. Retrieved 12 June 2020. 9. ^ "Rivers: Again, accused serial killer causes stir in court, gets judgment date -". The NEWS. 15 August 2020. Retrieved 16 August 2020. Gracious David-West Born c. 1980 Nationality Nigerian Known for Suspected serial killer Criminal status Arrested Details Victims 15 Span of crimes July 2019–20 September 2019 Country Nigeria State(s) Rivers State Location(s) Port Harcourt ... ... ... — Preceding unsigned comment added by BLIZZKALU (talk • contribs) 22:20, 28 September 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 14 March 2021
Add Mariusz Trynkiewicz to the list of Polish serial killers. NorthBlue (talk) 08:04, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
 * Yes check.svg Done Caius G. (talk) 20:36, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Russell Williams - what third victim?
I have never heard of there being a potential third victim, and the source cited does not mention one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 162.251.16.246 (talk) 20:54, 22 April 2021 (UTC)

Paul Bernardo
Paul Bernardo (Canada) in no way should be on this list! I would simply erase him but am posting in the Talk section first. Paul is a very prolific pedophile and a rapist. He never killed a single person. His wife Karla is the one who administered drugs and choked victims. All Paul did was rape and sodomize them while they died. I know emotions get in the way when discussing high profile cases (and he did abuse alot of women, 25 or more, majority of them underage) but his wife Karla is the actual murdered and (if you decide to include her) she would be the actual serial killer on this list. Kav2001c (talk) 04:05, 7 June 2021 (UTC)kav2001c

Question regarding serial killers and dissolved nation states
Here's the dilemma: imagine that there was a serial murderer active in a country that no longer exists (ex. The German Empire). Now, the area in which this hypothetical killer operated in belongs to another country in the present day (ex. Poland). Now, since it's said in the beginning of the article that killers should be placed where most of the killings were committed, under which country's category should this SK be classified under? Using the example, would it be under Germany since the territory belonged to the constituent country at the time, or would it be Poland since it belongs to the country today? Haunted Spy (talk)


 * I would assume under country of the day. With ancient countries it becomes silly to record them under current map. And even with more modern nationality issues (eg if someone commits crime in Czechoslovakia, I see no reason to differentiate between Czech Republic or Slovakia under modern maps) Kav2001c (talk) 04:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC)kav2001c

Semi-protected edit request on 28 June 2021
For bullet point Bruce McArthur: change ‘disremembered’ to ‘dismembered’ 2604:3D08:2C7F:800:914D:ED9E:F2A5:AED7 (talk) 02:07, 28 June 2021 (UTC)
 * ✅ melecie   t  03:01, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Toronto Ontario, Canada - Serial killer not listed
The Name “Pasquale Fioccolla” should be in the list of “Serial killers” and “Serial Rapists”, As soon as Possible. Contact (“31 Division” for more information) 2607:FEA8:23C0:AE7:51BC:DC63:B065:232E (talk) 08:01, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Canada, Serial killer and Serial Rapist not listed
Please Include the name “Pasquale Fioccolla” To the “Serial Killer and Serial Rapist” List. This is very important to the Residents of the City of Toronto. (Call 31 Division for more information). 2607:FEA8:23C0:AE7:51BC:DC63:B065:232E (talk) 08:07, 30 October 2021 (UTC)

Request for translation of two articles
If by any chance there are any users who are either native Japanese speakers or proficient in the language, could someone be willing to take up the translation of two articles from the corresponding Wikipedia? The two in question relate to serial killers Seiha Fujima (killed 5 people from 1981 to 1982) and Tetsuo Odajima (killed 4 people from August to November 2002), whose articles I've attempted to translate on several occasions by myself, but have proven too long and complicated. So, if there's anyone with the time and will to do them instead, I'd greatly appreciate it! Haunted Spy (talk) 11:19, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 January 2022
Please add Fred West to the United Kingdom list. From the Wiki entry for him: "Frederick Walter Stephen West (29 September 1941 – 1 January 1995) was an English serial killer who committed at least twelve murders between 1967 and 1987 in Gloucestershire, the majority with his second wife, Rosemary West.". P-G-O (talk) 19:51, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
 * Already there; Ctrl+F for "Fred and Rose West". ◢  Ganbaruby!   (talk) 15:50, 16 January 2022 (UTC)

Owen "Mickey" Feener
Owen "Mickey" Feener is a suspected Canadian serial killer, who is suspected of up to eight murders from the 1950s to 1960. At the time of his arrest, police found the photos of eight missing or dead women and girls on his car. Feener was convicted of murdering one of them, his girlfriend, K. Chouinor, sentenced to death, and hanged on June 13, 1961, at the age of 23. Newspapers reports at the time state shortly before his execution, Feener confessed to another murder, that of Dolly Woods, whose photo was also found on his car. Feener became one of the last men to be executed in Canada before capital punishment was abolished. This is all of the information I could find since I don't have a newspapers.com subscription, but it looks like Feener's daughter wrote a blog titled "The Man I Never Knew". I would appreciate if someone wrote an article about Feener. Lightiggy (talk) 20:16, 20 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 February 2022
Add Gheorghe Dincă, a romanian serial killer who killed 2 teenage girls in Caracal in 2019. RomanianPacman2 (talk) 19:25, 17 February 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 19:30, 17 February 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 March 2022
There is a recent serial killer in brazil named Lázaro Barbosa de Sousa. should be added to the list. 64.252.243.254 (talk) 16:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. 晚安 (トークページ) 08:34, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 March 2022
I believe Derek Saretzky should be added to the list of serial killers within Canada. Derek Saretzky was found guilty of murdering Terry Blachette, Hailey Dunbar-Blachette (Terry's 2 year old daughter) and Hanne Meketech in 2015. This would make him eligible as a serial killer to be added to the list.

"Saretzky was convicted June 28 of three counts of first-degree murder in the deaths of Hailey Dunbar-Blanchette, her father Terry Blanchette, 27, and 69-year-old Hanne Meketech in Alberta’s Crowsnest Pass. They also found him guilty of causing an indignity to Hailey’s body."

Some sources below https://globalnews.ca/news/3566902/sentencing-hearing-to-resume-for-convicted-triple-murderer-derek-saretzky/ https://globalnews.ca/news/8327268/appeal-alberta-triple-murder-derek-saretzky/#:~:text=Derek%20Saretzky%20was%20found%20guilty,at%20parole%20for%2075%20years. https://casestudies.journalism.ryerson.ca/category/derek-saretzky-case-study/ 75.155.98.12 (talk) 23:25, 4 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: In order to be added to this list, a serial killer must already have an article on Wikipedia. If you wish to write that article, please see WP:YFA and WP:CRIM. casualdejekyll  14:34, 14 March 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 21 May 2022
Norway serial killer: Espen Andersen Brathen Victims: 5+ Source: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/15/world/europe/norway-murder-bow-arrow-terrorism.html 2601:645:C080:530:B569:B9CF:A183:3B01 (talk) 00:21, 21 May 2022 (UTC)
 * Red information icon with gradient background.svg Not done: Spree killing and serial killing are different things. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 00:31, 21 May 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 August 2022
Change Swaziland to Eswatini as per their name change ScottyWynn (talk) 06:25, 5 August 2022 (UTC)
 * ✅ Handmeanotherbagofthemchips (talk) 14:49, 5 August 2022 (UTC)

Merge with List of serial killers by number of victims
Maybe this list can be merged with List of serial killers by number of victims seeing they're quite similar so we don't have all this duplicate info/ If you click on Country on that page you could list the killers per country too. Aquatic Ambiance (talk) 09:57, 9 August 2022 (UTC)

Additional separate lists for some countries?
I think it's fair to say that with the constant new additions to this article it has become quite long, which makes me wonder whether additional "List of serial killers in [country name]" should be made (similar to the entries for the USA, Germany, France and Russia). My personal suggestion if that were to happen would be to make one for the UK and its constituent countries, and possible other options might be Mexico, Brazil and China. Haunted Spy (talk) 06:24, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Discussion about maybe doing a merger
I’ve started a discussion at Talk:Lists of serial killers to discuss maybe merging a bunch of lists together as “List of serial killers after the 19th century”, and then later that merge target can be split up by time period if necessary. There doesn’t seem to be any need for any separate lists “by country” or “by number of victims” because a single chronological table can always be easily sorted to provide that information.&#32;Anythingyouwant (talk) 01:25, 23 November 2022 (UTC)

Russell Williams "killed two women and is suspected of murdering a third"
Main page doesn't contain anything about a potential third murder victim. I couldn't find any source material with a quick google search. I'm semi familiar with the case and I've only heard about a potential additional SA victim. 2600:1702:19E0:42F0:DDF:B590:97F2:C4D7 (talk) 18:27, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Seconding this. The source mentions no potential/suspected third victim. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.121.163.165 (talk) 09:05, 27 December 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 18 January 2023
Add to the Italian Section: "Rina Fort"[] "known as The Beast of via San Gregorio, killed his lover's wife and three children in Milan in 1946. She spent 39 years in prison." 87.15.208.61 (talk) 11:10, 18 January 2023 (UTC)
 * Not done. No English Wikipedia page, and furthermore not a serial murderer. She killed her lover's wife and three small children in one heinous crime on November 29, 1946. This may qualify as mass murder but is not a Serial killer, as serial killers commit multiple separate crimes separated by time. -- Mvqr  (talk) 11:43, 18 January 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2023
Add 2 newly arrested serial killers in Indonesia.

1) Slamet Tohari alias Mbah Slamet, killed 12 people. Bodies were found after one of his victim managed to send an alarming voice message to his family to call police if he did not return. The victim also managed to share location before being murdered. Mbah Slamet killed them with poisoned drinks.

Sources: - https://jateng.inews.id/berita/viral-rekaman-suara-paryanto-sebelum-dibunuh-dukun-pengganda-uang-di-banjarnegara/2

- https://news.detik.com/berita/d-6658849/ngeri-mbah-slamet-serial-killer-kubur-paryanto-hidup-hidup

2) Wowon Erawan, Solihin (other name Duloh), M. Dede Solehuddin. Trio serial killer (with possible 4th perpetrator Noneng but was killed later by Duloh. Noneng earlier killed Siti. At least 9 victims were dead, with the youngest 2 year old. Some have survived.

Sources: - https://kumparan.com/kumparannews/polisi-8-dari-9-korban-trio-serial-killer-dibunuh-oleh-solihin-1zgbs7cRJMi/full

- https://www.tribunnews.com/nasional/2023/01/21/nasib-tragis-noneng-dorong-siti-tkw-ke-laut-berakhir-dibunuh-wowon-dan-ditemukan-jadi-kerangka?page=2 Veritas.Et.Verus (talk) 07:59, 8 April 2023 (UTC)
 * Not done. The list's inclusion criteria is "list of notable serial killers", see Notability (people). The individuals above do not have Wikipedia articles, and therefore can not be assumed to be notable. Should they have an article, this can be reconsidered. -- Mvqr (talk) 11:09, 9 April 2023 (UTC)