Talk:List of ships sunk by Axis warships in Australian waters

Incorrect note
The article note does not match up with the external link provided -- saberwyn 01:52, 13 February 2007 (UTC)

Incorrect count or doesn't reconcile?
The article has 36 ships listed. However the Australian Official history states: "The note attached to this states: The ships sunk on the Australia Station by submarine attack during the 1939-45 war were : in Eastern Australian coastal waters : Iron Chieftain, Iron Crown, Guatemala, George S . Livanos, Coast Farmer, William Dawes, Dureenbee, Kalingo, Iron Knight, Starr King, Recina, Kowarra, Lydia M. Childs, Limerick, Wollongbar, Fingal, Centaur, Portmar, Robert J. Walker. Elsewhere on the Australia Station : John Adams, Chloe, TJinegara, Samuel Gompers, Aludra, Deimos, Mamutu, Peter Sylvester, Stanvac Manila, Nam Yong, Siantar." Hence I am tagging this article for references for each ship not on this list. --Matilda talk 22:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Not quite sure what to do about the Kuttabul  - doesn't rate in the Official History list - is it perhaps not a "ship"? --Matilda talk 23:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Those ships are all in the link provided in the introductory paragraph (very poor form I know - this was one of my earlier articles). I'll double check everything, but from memory when I spun this article off from Axis naval activity in Australian waters I was convinced that the listing David Stevens developed in 2005 was better than that used in the official history. David Stevens' occupies a senior position with the Navy's Seapower Centre and the author of several major works on Australian naval history, specialising in submarine warfare in Australian waters, so if I correctly understood his listing of the results of Japanese submarine cruises in Australian waters it should be considered a better source than the official history. I suspect that the problem is the definition of 'Australian waters' which has been used by the various authors - including myself (eg, whether Christmas and the Cocos Islands were within the Australia Station). I included HMAS Kuttabul as there didn't seem to be any reason for Gill to have excluded it and Stevens' included it in his list. --Nick Dowling (talk) 11:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 09:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC) The note attached to this states:  Hence I am tagging this article for references for each ship not on this list. --Matilda talk 22:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Not quite sure what to do about the Kuttabul  - doesn't rate in the Official History list - is it perhaps not a "ship"? --Matilda talk 23:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Those ships are all in the link provided in the introductory paragraph (very poor form I know - this was one of my earlier articles). I'll double check everything, but from memory when I spun this article off from Axis naval activity in Australian waters I was convinced that the listing David Stevens developed in 2005 was better than that used in the official history. David Stevens' occupies a senior position with the Navy's Seapower Centre and the author of several major works on Australian naval history, specialising in submarine warfare in Australian waters, so if I correctly understood his listing of the results of Japanese submarine cruises in Australian waters it should be considered a better source than the official history. I suspect that the problem is the definition of 'Australian waters' which has been used by the various authors - including myself (eg, whether Christmas and the Cocos Islands were within the Australia Station). I included HMAS Kuttabul as there didn't seem to be any reason for Gill to have excluded it and Stevens' included it in his list. --Nick Dowling (talk) 11:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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Cheers.— InternetArchiveBot  (Report bug) 09:36, 2 January 2018 (UTC) Hence I am tagging this article for references for each ship not on this list. --Matilda talk 22:48, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Not quite sure what to do about the Kuttabul  - doesn't rate in the Official History list - is it perhaps not a "ship"? --Matilda talk 23:06, 4 February 2008 (UTC)


 * Those ships are all in the link provided in the introductory paragraph (very poor form I know - this was one of my earlier articles). I'll double check everything, but from memory when I spun this article off from Axis naval activity in Australian waters I was convinced that the listing David Stevens developed in 2005 was better than that used in the official history. David Stevens' occupies a senior position with the Navy's Seapower Centre and the author of several major works on Australian naval history, specialising in submarine warfare in Australian waters, so if I correctly understood his listing of the results of Japanese submarine cruises in Australian waters it should be considered a better source than the official history. I suspect that the problem is the definition of 'Australian waters' which has been used by the various authors - including myself (eg, whether Christmas and the Cocos Islands were within the Australia Station). I included HMAS Kuttabul as there didn't seem to be any reason for Gill to have excluded it and Stevens' included it in his list. --Nick Dowling (talk) 11:00, 5 February 2008 (UTC)

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