Talk:List of shoguns

Scope of list
As of June 8, 2008, the list describes itself as "a list of shoguns that ruled Japan intermittently from the establishment of the Kamakura shogunate in 1192 until the end of the Tokugawa shogunate in 1868." However, the list includes 16 Hōjō (who were never shoguns), two princes (who never ruled Japan), and three Tokugawa from after the Meiji Restoration (who were neither shoguns nor rulers of Japan).

What should this list include? What should this list not include? Fg2 (talk) 02:36, 8 June 2008 (UTC)


 * To me the scope of the list cannot be simpler. Those who held the title of "shogan", regardless of whether they had actual power or not. (Similar to the list at the bottom of Sesshō and Kampaku.) Quite often in the history of Japan, it is very hard to identity who is the practical ruler of Japan. I suggest we stick to the inclusion criterion for the list that cannot be disputed. -- Taku (talk) 02:56, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

many years later
The term "shogun" is congate with "prime Minister" just as "chancellor" is in Germany and Austria. The ruling chief o governments after 1867, should at least be acknowledged at the bottom of the article with a short paragraph with links. I tried this and had my work deleted. I'll wait for consensus a few days before trying again Arglebargle79 (talk) 16:52, 26 January 2017 (UTC)

You can find the names of the Prime Ministers in the List of Prime Ministers of Japan.Dimadick (talk) 07:56, 30 January 2017 (UTC)

Changes to this article made by JNN359
My reversion of the changes made by user JNN359, which I judged to be vandalism, was an error for which I apologize. It was a gut reaction to the unquestionably destructive and immotivated changes this user made to the article Torii. I will let the community judge if the changes he made here should remain. - Frank (Urashima Tarō) (talk) 07:08, 17 February 2012 (UTC)