Talk:List of shopping streets and districts by city

define upscale?
A lot of places on this list seem to be completely arbitary. Take Victoria, Australia for example. Barkly St Footscray? You aren't serious, right? Also, places like Lygon St are infinitely more known for the Italian food rather than shops. Also, Hong Kong; while Mong Kok is definitely a shopping district, I wouldn't call it upscale... it's more like a street market. I think the overall value of this article is very low. The good places are totally drowned out by a wash of random locations that might have only one or two shops of note. Ledward (talk) 07:45, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

St. Louis
Everytime I come back here, I find someone from St. Louis jealous or angry that there is nothing listed from their city. St. Louis DOES NOT have any upscale shopping street or district. They have the Del Mar Loop in University City, but that has NO upscale shops whatsoever. The Plaza Frontneac is a mall not a district or a street and so is the galleria. Washington Avenue barley has ANY shops whatsoever, and has nothing on the scale of Fifth Avenue, Michigan Avenue, or the Country Club Plaza in Kansas City. As someone who was born in Kansas City and goes to college in St. Louis, I can attest to this. The Plaza Frontneac is the closest thing St. Louis has to fitting this criteria, and it is a mall, which means it can't fit this criteria. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.150.147.154 (talk) 14:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The Plaza Frontneac in Saint Louis
This is a small upscale shopping area with only a few upscale shops. It is NOT in any way shape or form an entire shopping district like Fifth Avenue or the Country Club Plaza in Kansas City. It is instead, a small collection of upscale shops, with two large upscale tenants (like Neiman Marcus or Sacks). It is NOT a "district" full of MANY shops with avenues, parks, and a pedestrian experience. There are several of these in many different cities in the US (for Example Kansas City has many-- the Legends and Zona Rosa being two examples). Since it is in no way regaurded as a major upscale shoppind district, it has been removed from this site.

Upscale Shopping Areas
This is a list of upscale shopping areas. It takes more than just 1 Saks Fifth Avenue to make a mall, district or street upscale. This list is already rather leniant with malls that have just an LV and Tiffanys listed. Similarly, Fifth Avenue is not the most expensive shopping district in the world, nor even the US. --Sarasote 22:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Downtown Houston
"Shopping District of Downtown Houston" is not a descriptive name, and the link provides no evidence that downtown Houston is a major upscale shoppping district filled with department stores. Please verify.

Streets, Not Malls
This article is supposed to list "streets and districts," not shopping malls and upscale residential areas. For example, the Time Warner Center is a building with a shopping mall in it, not a district or street.

US and Canada
I think we should separate North America by "Canada" and "United States" subsections for convinience since most of them are in the US anyway, and maybe a similar division for Asia. Also we need a "most expensive" for Oceania and South America.

Split article to dab page
This article has gotten large and expanded outside the scope of the title: leading districts and streets. For this reason, I would suggest separating it. For example, Ginza and Galleria Vittorio Emanuele do not belong in the same category. Ginza is a district and the Galleria is a large mall.


 * Maybe it should just be called something like 'list upscale shopping areas', so we can include every type.

I disagree with breaking up the article it is more valuable as a single article. Give it time to develop. -- Stbalbach 16:03, 11 June 2006 (UTC) I wouldn't be a dab page anyway, but a list of lists. Choalbaton 00:56, 16 July 2006 (UTC)

Galleria Vittorio Emanuele
Galleria Vittorio Emanuele is absolutely not a large mall. Have u ever been there? Directly from wikipedia Italian: "È considerata, con Via Montenapoleone e Via della Spiga, una delle sedi dello shopping di lusso meneghino." - translated: "It's considered, with Via Montenapoleone and Via della Spiga, one of the places for luxury shopping in Milan"


 * All I am saying is that the scope of this page should not include individual gallerias and malls, regardless on how one classifies Galleria Vittoria Emanuele. I understand that shopping areas develop differently in different regions of the world. However, I think that this page should refer to neighborhoods and streets, not individual locations. Maybe it should be split into shopping areas and shopping malls.


 * I think it has been established on Wikipedia that most individual malls, apartment buildings, elementary schools, etc. do not have relevance here. This article concentrates on the exclusive shopping streets and districts of the world's major cities, and not suburbia.  GilliamJF 01:25, 30 April 2006 (UTC)


 * Maybe, but it seems like it may be more convenient to have a more complete upscale shopping listing


 * Milan is a World Major shopping area. Galleria Vittorio Emanuele is not a Mall/Shopping centre and I agree it should be included in a list of streets as it is basically a street covered by a canopy.


 * I am under the impression this is a compilation of upscale shopping areas, whether that be a street, district, or a mall. There are very few upscale areas in the world, so including all three in this article shouldnt matter. I suggest changing the article title to List of leadhing shopping regions? by city. --Sarasote 22:38, 17 July 2006 (UTC)

Redirecting
When searching for "A List of upscale shopping centers in the US" you are redirected here. More than 60% of those listed are not upscale shopping centers... Steel87 14:23 19 June 2006

Upcale Shopping Areas outside the major cities
I would argue that places like Galena Street in Aspen, Colorado would also fit the bill for upscale shopping streets even though they are outside of the major cities. Galena St in Aspen has Louis Vuitton, Christian Dior, Prada, Gucci, Ralph Lauren (Not Polo), Fendi, BVLGARI, etc situated along it or on the adjacent streets. But based on the comments above, I figured I would get someone else's opinion about something like this. Upscale shopping streets don't have to just be in the major cities. (I do agree that enclosed suburban shopping malls DO NOT belong on this list...) jtowns 19:41, 21 November 2006 (UTC)

I agree, every upscale shopping street should be added. In Aspen, or similar town in Alps, like St.Moritz or Cortina d'Ampezzo there are a lot of high-end fashion designer boutiques, that make fashion streets. Thorin 18.31, 22 December 2006

Removed Enclosed Shopping Malls from List
I purged places from the list that were not areas, neighborhoods, pedestrian plazas, districts, or streets since the consensus of this talk page is that enclosed malls or buildings and the like do not belong on the list. I did not remove covered streets, and I did not make judgements about any area, district, neighborhood, or street about the quality of rather it should be on the list. I mainly purged malls off the list. If someone feels what I did was not right...revert it...but let me know your reasons because after reading this page, I simply don't think enclosed shopping malls are what the list was intended for. In case someone wants to make a new list, here are the purged items: Spencer Plaza, Victory Monument, The Passage, Bullring, Custard Factory, The Mailbox, The Light, Clarence Dock, Corn Exchange, Sheffield: Meadowhall, Edmonton City Centre, West Edmonton Mall, Sherway Gardens, Yorkdale Shopping Centre, Loreto, Altavista, Exhibimex, Cuicuilco, South Coast Plaza (Costa Mesa), Bal Harbour: Bal Harbour Shops, Tampa: International Plaza and Bay Street, Bethesda: Montgomery Mall, North Bethesda: White Flint Mall, Okemos-East Lansing: Meridian Mall, Metro Detroit: Somerset Collection, St. Louis:  Plaza Frontenac, St. Louis Galleria, St. Louis Union Station, Charlotte: South Park, Durham: The Streets at Southpoint, Arlington: Fashion Centre at Pentagon City, McLean: Tysons Corner, Norfolk: MacArthur Center, Westlake Center, Union Station,  Queen Victoria Building. jtowns 08:31, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I've restored the areas for Birmingham because none of them are solely shopping centres. For instance, the Bull Ring area contains the city markets and other places to shop too, despite a modern shopping centre being the focus of the area.  In general, we tend not to have many of your US-style shopping centres here in the UK, so perhaps there's some transatlantic misunderstanding at play here.  Matthew 22:52, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I removed the Bull Ring (as an example) because the article hightlighted mentions nothing about shopping. It did mention office jobs and restaurants in the area...perhaps if this is a worthy inclusion on the list, then the shopping aspects needs to be added to the bull ring article. As it stands now that article merely points to an article about the actual 'Bull Ring' and not the neighborhood it occupies. And the description did not talk of the Bull Ring being meant for shopping... jtowns 04:39, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * On a second look at your new link -- Bull Ring works. The previous link went to Bullring not Bull Ring, Birmingham. I removed Bullring because it was about the arena and not the shopping district. Sorry about that...but the links need to point to the right places. As for Custard Factory, I would argue that the article talks nothing of shopping. Yes, a few art galleries, and places that sell art and media stuff, but not lots leading places to shop for goods. In the case of The Mailbox, it is a single building, not a district, or street, or neighborhood. This list is not for individual buildings, but for larger neighborhoods, districts, streets, avenues, etc. The other links, especially when linked to the right article, make sense...but I would argue that a lot of these places need to be pared down to just one or two (at most) shopping places within those cities. This list isn't for every place that has shops in a city, but rather the leading shopping districts, etc in a city. Even New York City (or Milan or Tokyo) have at most 3 or 4 places. Birmingham, England (and numerous other cities worldwide) aren't usually thought of as a leading shopping city -- so why are seven places listed? Is there only one or two that are notable, and are the leading places to shop that are appropriate to list?? - jtowns 04:57, 13 January 2007 (UTC)
 * With regard to Bullring and Bull Ring, Birmingham, I believe the link to have changed since it was originally added - I know there has been some discussion on that article as to what it should be called, and it would seem that it has changed.
 * The Mailbox is a bit of an oddity - it's certainly not a shopping mall in the conventional sense, and often refers as much to that precise area as just the building itself. For instance, The Cube, currently under construction, will be a part of the Mailbox area.
 * The Custard Factory is again a bit odd. It couldn't be described as a leading shopping area within the city (eg by spend or number of shops), but for the kinds of things bought there it's probably the city's leading shopping area.  Does that make sense?
 * Point taken with regard to the areas. However, what do we do for places such as Birmingham where, for instance, New Street, Birmingham and Corporation Street, Birmingham abut one another and could easily be considered together, but there's no real name for the two together?  I've removed Paradise Forum in line with what you say. Matthew 11:00, 13 January 2007 (UTC)

Japan
How did Shibuya make the list? Please explain what stores in Shibuya are upscale? Even the department stores there are not upscale at all. Ginza I would say is upscale, but Shibuya, I just don't see it at all -ChristopherMannMcKay 01:45, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
 * I agree. (Heroeswithmetaphors)   talk  15:23, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Houston, Texas section
I'm going to specify on "Uptown Houston" as it has to seperate shopping areas.--68.201.118.165 20:25, 30 March 2007 (UTC)

This article has gotten out of hand – major overhaul!
I'm going to disect the lead: So, now that I've broken it down, there are far too many discrepencies to mention. Most of the cities shouldn't even be on the list. I'm going to remove streets/cities that don't correspond to what has been written in the lead. In addition, I think that lesser-known streets that have redlinks should be removed also, but I'm open to persuasion. I will leave them for the time being. If it seems that the article is just a sea of red, I'll bring it up again. Oh, and I haven't even started on references. But that's for another post. ConorBrady.ie (caint)  17:21, 21 September 2010 (UTC)
 * 1) ...leading upscale shopping streets and districts...:  Wiktionary's definition of upscale is "marked by wealth  or quality; high-class".  This means expensive fashion houses – the likes of Dior, Gucci, Hermès, not H&M and Zara.
 * 2) Multiple small designer boutique stores, fashion houses, and/or purveyors of luxury goods...: The keyword here is multiple.  One store on a street does not make it eligible.
 * 3) ...doors and windows facing the street: This means no shopping centres, malls, etc.
 * 4) located along the designated street throughout a large section of the city, or are clustered closely together in a well-defined neighborhood or location within the city: The first means that a street that's only a block long is not eligible.  The second means that if there is a collection of such short streets, they must be well-defined, i.e. there is a commonly-used name for the area.
 * 5) In a typical city, there is only one leading shopping street or district...:  This means one!  A city of around one million should have one, or at most two.  A city of less than half a million would be lucky to even have one.
 * 6) The largest cities ... may have more than one leading shopping street or district...: Obviously the big fashion cities will have multiple streets on this list.  Big cities of over 3 million will likely have three or four.
 * I agree. This list is totally bloated and is a disservice to Wikipedia readers. There should probably be no more than roughly 20-30 roads listed. (Heroeswithmetaphors)   talk  15:24, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Khaosan Road no thanks
Khaosan Road is not an upscale shopping street. It is for backpackers and cheap counterfeit goods. (Heroeswithmetaphors)  talk  18:56, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

BA
Palermo is a huge area, and not everything in it is upscale. Puerto Madero, OK. Recoleta, OK. Florida Street is for tourists and has street vendors selling handmade trinkets. Avenida Santa Fe is very mixed. Avenida Alvear I don't know about. Córdoba Avenue is also very mixed. We need more clarity. (Heroeswithmetaphors)  talk  19:00, 1 February 2013 (UTC)

define "leading"?
"Leading" according to whom? This entire list seems completely arbitrary, indefensible on encyclopedic grounds, and should probably be deleted ASAP. --89.0.240.226 (talk) 17:55, 21 October 2013 (UTC)

Agree completely. This 'list' is an embarrassment to Wikipedia. Jezebelsalome (talk) 14:29, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

SOLUTION
So, clearly, we could not pare down this list to truly the highest-end shopping streets, meaning only around 20 or 30 in the world, so I removed from this list any mention of "luxury" and now it is not such an embarrassment. (Heroeswithmetaphors)  talk  19:06, 4 July 2014 (UTC)

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Hong Kong, Macau, and. Taiwan
I noticed that the article distinctly lacks the areas of Hong Kong, Macau, and Taiwan. Those are very important places. Why are they missing? — Preceding unsigned comment added by LemonBoiii (talk • contribs) 14:25, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Criteria for inclusion - notable outdoor public retail areas
It seems the criteria for inclusion may benefit from clarification. How about; ? 2A00:23C7:6496:6C01:3D06:D05A:AE01:FB48 (talk) 22:10, 25 February 2023 (UTC)
 * Outdoors not indoors (not covered and not enclosed),
 * Public not private (lifestyle centers?),
 * Notable areas satisfying notability with a Wikipedia article,
 * Retail not just commercial