Talk:List of songs in Guitar Hero II

Minor Editing
For some reason, whenever the title for Guitar Hero II was mentioned, "Guitar Hero I" was used instead. Unless I'm missing something, Guitar Hero II isn't Guitar Hero I. I changed the article accordingly. ENSSB (talk) 01:15, 19 June 2008 (UTC)

Background Music For Stage Select
Is there any reason this shouldnt contain the names of the background music for each stage selecting option? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.113.156.103 (talk) 04:05, 12 October 2007 (UTC)

Expanding to a list of songs from every Guitar Hero game
I think it's too subjective to have a list of songs just from the Guitar Hero II game. Since the Guitar Hero II article got improved, taking out the list and making a sepereate article about it, I was thinking about merging the song lists from the other Guita Hero games too, renaming this article. How about it? ~Iceshark7 11:08, 24 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I understand why this was taken out of the GHII article, as it was getting rather long, and it took up a good bit of space differentiating between the PS2 and 360 setlists. If the other Guitar Hero articles work fine with their respective song lists, I see no reason to mess with them. Pele Merengue 20:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)
 * I think the other GH songs should be combined into one, even if only for the sake of tidiness and convenience. Twang6 01:14, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

Is there a reason?
Is there any perticular reason anyone knows of as to why the Xbox 360 vertion(sp?) has some songs the Ps2 vertion(sp?) dosen't (excluding the extra songs you don't encounter on career mode)? Kimitala 23:07, 27 July 2007 (UTC)
 * The 360 version came out six months after the PS2 version. If I were to guess, the Guitar Hero team simply thought that adding some new content would make the purchase of a six-month-old PS2 game seem more compelling to consumers. If you look closely enough, there are plenty of other examples of this with other cross-platform games. Pele Merengue 20:11, 30 July 2007 (UTC)

Links to albums
Why were the links to albums removed. Isn't it better to have a link to the album a song is own instead of having just text? Guitar Hero, Guitar Hero Encore: Rocks the 80s, and Guitar Hero III all have links to albums. Ultrabasurero 18:39, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

My Chemical Romance Pack
I'm downloading it right now, 34MB. Includes the songs "Teenagers", "Famous Last Words", and "This Is How I Disappear." Though can't find anything online to talk about it, but this might be a secret they are pushing out or XBOX live released it early. Just a heads up. -- GoDawgs 09:27, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

here's an article about it. http://www.majornelson.com/archive/2007/08/14/in-game-content-guitar-hero-ii.aspx FlannelJacket 11:39, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

DLC & Coop modes
Can someone who has all the DLC denote whether they have coop, and what's rhythm and what's bass? Kudos. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Teancum (talk • contribs) 19:38, 14 September 2007 (UTC)

Links in 360 list
Isn't it a bit redundant to have links for the songs on the 360 list when the links are just inches to the left? I can understand the exclusive tracks, but the others just seem redundant to me. Same with Deep Purple and My Chemical Romance in the DLC packs, having Hush and Dead! up on the list, but that doesn't bother me as much. --Twang6 01:33, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

It's more convenient for 360 users who want to skim through the relevant playlist rather than cross-reference it with the PS2 one. --Mister Six 22:14, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Redirected
I've redirected this article to a new article that people here wanted, List of songs in Guitar Hero games. Kaktibhar 20:16, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * Please point to this request, I saw nothing to this end and I'm watching all the GH pages. --M ASEM 20:24, 13 October 2007 (UTC)

Should song lists be merged to single article?
Should the GH songlists be merged to a single article? Please see discussion here. --M ASEM 20:42, 13 October 2007 (UTC)


 * The main article and its talk page no longer exists. The result was to keep the song lists separate and delete List of songs in Guitar Hero games (see Articles for deletion/List of songs in Guitar Hero games). Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 06:29, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Soilwork glitch fixed?
The part about the Xbox 360 DC song "Exile" says that a glitch in the code prevents players from reaching 100%...But I just got 100% on it today! No errors in the song, the newspaper screen, anything. Can anyone else prove this? Because we should remove that info if the glitch is no more... SlyDante 22:34, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Is Dropkick Murphy song a master track or a cover?
The article has it listed as a master track but the vids have seen show it as "Made Famous By" Can anyone confirm if it is in fact the master track or not and if it isn't i'll remove the bolding. DyloniusFunk (talk) 15:42, 20 December 2007 (UTC)

What about the song The lights that blind?
Why isn't this song listed? 12.181.255.18 (talk) 02:14, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Format change for songlists
I've updated the songlists for here to match the format that I'm using for GH1 and similar to RB's song list. The GH1 list is inspired by the fact that these song lists can be Featured Lists, but we need to make sure the focus is the music, not the game, and thus the order of the songs in the game is not as important as what songs are in the game. Thus, the list for the main career mode is presented alpha by song title, but the tables are sortable to recreate the PS2 and the 360 set orders (including encores). I've incorporated the elements of master tracks, rhythm guitar, and the like into the tables as well to avoid focusing on formatting to relay that information. --M ASEM 22:55, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * I really think that bold text to indicate master/cover is a better and more concise way to relay that information. Not to mention that it's what we've done at the Rock Band list and elsewhere.  The disadvantage would be that we couldn't sort by that but I'm not sure that it's a useful sorting option anyway. Oren0 (talk) 22:59, 4 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Well, being sortable, you're one click to easily listing all master without scanning for which songs are bolded. Again, the advice for the GH1 list was to think not so much about the person playing the game but the person interested in the music: not so much an issue with masters vs covers there, but here, I can see both ways.  I'm going to ask someone that commented on the GH1 list to comment on that, sorta a pre-FLC flight check. --M ASEM  23:10, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Pre FLC suggestions
Masem asked me if I could provide some input concerning the list before it was brought to FLC, so here I am, and hopefully my suggestions can come in handy. My main suggestion is this: since Wikipedia is for the average user (not the Guitar Hero expert) consider how specific you need to get. What I mean by this is that I think some of the data/columns provided go into unneccessary detail, that only the most hardcore GH fan would care about. For instance, I think that the "Rythm guitar" column can go. The song is in the game, so why do we care that there's a slightly different way to play it? In fact, do we care at all about how the song is played? It's similar to saying wether a song is mostly strumming or hammer-ons or whatever they're called. Basically it's trivial information.

Furthermore, I would strongly suggest taking out the "Pack Size" and "Video Preview" columns. Again, who cares? Additionally, I don't think it's all that relevant (on a per-track basis) what the release date is. What I would recommend is to keep the "Downloadable songs" table as similar as possible to the others, only replacing "Tier" column with the "Pack name" column. All the other info would be better suited in a separate "Downloadable packs" (sub)section/(sub)table. Also, the "Xbox 360 Exclusive" column in the Bonus Songs table seems unneccessary, since it only applies to two songs. I'd recommend making some sort of symbol/legend, like a † by the song's name or something like that.

As for the tons of X's and checks: I would recommend only using checks for yes, and leave it blank for no. I did a similar thing with Woody Allen filmography, and it looks much better than a ton of red X's. Also, consider using a black check rather than a green one. I'm definitely a fan of the "Master recordings" column, since you can sort by it, but it just needs to be prettied up a bit.

Let's see what else? Take the "how specific is too-specific" advice to heart with the prose as well. Some of it is very trivial/guide-like. Try and keep tables consistent as far as column widths are concerned. And having Wikipedia as an in-line citation is a big no-no.

Hope all of this helps a little bit. Let me know if you have any other questions or think I'm totally wrong on something. Drewcifer (talk) 03:19, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Save for eliminating the Rhythm guitar columns (though these can be replaced with a symbol as was done before, since it is a gameplay detail and not song specific), I've taken care of most of these recommendations. The prose is not perfect and needs sources for sure, of course, but I'm more concerned to make sure the tables are of good use for an FLC. --M ASEM  05:01, 5 April 2008 (UTC)


 * Definitely looks better. I would still say that the Rhythm guitar thing and the video preview are unnecessary to the list, even if they are less abrasive as symbols.  The only major thing remaining is to clean up the prose, cleanup the citations, and fine some more reliable sources.  Let me know if and when you nominate the article at FLC. Drewcifer (talk) 05:30, 5 April 2008 (UTC)

IMHO
When did the layout change? I prefer the old way where the songs were listed in order of their tier, to my eyes it looks messy this new way. Someone said earlier the emphasis should be on the music, but the game is the whole reason this page exists. The Fletch (talk) 03:16, 6 April 2008 (UTC)


 * See the comments in the section above. Basically, to get this list to a featured list, it should focus on the music, not the game's approach (otherwise, it is more aimed at being a gameguide).   The same information is still there, through a sortable table, just that also in a way for non-GH players to appreciate the music set. --M ASEM  03:19, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

DLC release dates should be merged with the song list
I think the DLC release dates should be merged with the song list, like Rock Band. You're just duplicating the track pack names twice. If you merge, the track pack names are only there once. Ultrabasurero (talk) 12:15, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Use of the term "Master"
It seems like the word "master" is used in this article to mean "original artist", or at least that's the impression I get, since it is compared to "cover". That is not what a master track is. A master track, in the context of source recordings used in video games, means that the track has not yet been tampered with by the label or a radio station, e.g. for the loudness war (see in particular, this link). It therefore is likely that the track in the video game has a higher dynamic range than the version played from a CD or radio station since it does not suffer from marketing interference. If this is actually true of the track listings here, then the text just needs to be adjusted to better clarify that masters and covers are not dichotomous. (A cover still has its own master recording.) If it is not true, or not verifiable, that the tracks in these games are actually master recordings, then the list entries need to be changed. Ham Pastrami (talk) 11:23, 27 April 2009 (UTC)


 * The term "master recording" here means that the music track has been created by the band in question, as opposed to a cover that is done by some other group. All the literature that talks the track list, including the game publishers, uses the phrase "master recording" to emphasis that importance.  If it's not a master, its a "cover version". So based on what WP's defines for both, there's no question. --M ASEM  (t) 12:58, 28 April 2009 (UTC)


 * Well the issue I'm trying to get at is that a track performed by an original artist is not necessarily a master recording, but the article is making the synthesis that if the song is performed by the original artist, that it must also be a master. The sources in the main Guitar Hero II article seem to have conflicting information about which of the original artist tracks are actually masters: some claim it is only one track, some claim there are two, and some all four (as reflected in the base track list). For example, the Gamespot review claims that only 2 of the base tracks are masters. Hence, I think there is a collective point of confusion and some of the sources either have incomplete information or some may not understand the difference between "original artist" and "master recording". They seem to be echoing the assumption, that because most of the songs are covers, and some of the remaining tracks are masters, that ALL the remaining tracks are masters. (Which is possible, but has yet to be verified as far as I can tell.) I haven't even looked at the bonus/DLC songs yet, but the same issue might apply to them. Is there an expert source that can verify that indeed all four of the original artist tracks are master recordings? Ham Pastrami (talk) 02:31, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * First, on the # of masters, remember that we have a PS2 release and a 360 release, with 2 "masters" added to the 360 release. So there is going to be conflicting info if you compare PS2 info to 360.  This is also confirmed in game.
 * Now, the point that being a "master recording" is not necessarily being the first cut of a song, but instead a song that is based on a recording made by the original group at some point -- whether it was the original album cut, radio cut, live, or re-recording - they are using the original "master" mix to pull out the guitar, drums, etc. to make note tracks and present the game. That falls in line with what master recording states.  Again, which version of that song, it's unknown, but it is a version done by the band as to distinguish it from a cover version. --M ASEM  (t) 04:30, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * If the number of "master" tracks differs by platform, that should be noted in the list, right?
 * The designation of a track as "master" (rather than merely original artist) is significant per the reasons I gave in my first post: the game tracks would be of higher fidelity than the ones on the album or radio. Qualifying any and all original artist tracks as "master" loses the significance of these tracks appearing in games rather than traditional media. (Which is, to my understanding, the main reason why emphasis is placed on the inclusion of masters.) I therefore have to disagree that "master" in this context can justifiably be applied to any recording by the original artist, as it seems to defeat the purpose. If expert sources are in fact saying that all the original artist tracks are being sourced from master recordings, then that is fine, we go by the sources. But if they don't say that, then it is deceptive for the list to claim that they are. And regardless, there is still a false dichotomy of masters and covers. Even if this is how the Guitar Hero community normally refers to the tracks, this use of the terminology seems to be specific to the game and is awkward to people unfamiliar with this context. To put things another way, why isn't the phrase "original artist" used in the article where the intended meaning is "original artist"? Why use a contentious definition of "master recording" that may or may not be accurate and may or may not be understood by the reader? Ham Pastrami (talk) 08:55, 29 April 2009 (UTC)


 * I'm a little confused as to your doubts that they were using master tracks. What else could they be using? Mind you, I'm not a music professional or anything, so I may have misunderstood the terminology, but wouldn't the tracks have been already mixed together, and hence useless for the game, in anything that's not a master? On the other hand, I do agree that a change to the clearer "original artist" would be beneficial. — JAO • T • C 09:15, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

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