Talk:List of songs in Rock Band/Archive 4

march releases still accurate?
Seeing as the original source for the March DLC listed the 18th as the date for the NIN pack (which came out last Tuesday) I wonder if the rest of the list is at all reliable anymore? Clearly the dates are questionable. --Mm03gt (talk) 16:09, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * OXM is a printed source, which is why they were given precident. I would keep those dates which have yet to be deconfirmed (did I just invent a word there?) with the OXM dates.  And while OXM looks worse and worse...that hacked list continues to gain credibility.  I'm going to add that section (as drafted in User:TRTX/RB) sometime today, unless anybody has any further objections. TRTX (talk) 18:44, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it is a good idea. I saw it earlier without the dates, and think it is better to keep them with the footnote. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 19:13, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I've made a few correction. The Metal pack is tentative for the 25th, not 18th, that's my bad.  As far as OXM's credibility: They wouldn't have run a section on the DLC if they hadn't had at least some reliable source that had given them these dates.  It's no different than a tentative release date later being changed.  HMX themselves said these dates are subject to change.  TRTX (talk) 19:21, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm curious why you don't want to link to songs in the tentative list. I would say link for songs where we only have one potential artist; it is no more speculative than listing that artist (which we do anyway). Oren0 (talk) 19:38, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * Good point. Also, it would help to show that a song is more than likely from a specific artist if there is no need for disambiguation.  With the exception of that change, are we in agreement that the section is good to add? TRTX (talk) 19:41, 29 February 2008 (UTC)
 * I added some more sources. I think it's good to go. Oren0 (talk) 20:58, 29 February 2008 (UTC)

-I'm so tired of waiting for Simple Man to come out its got a different date everyweek, ridiculous. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.56.232.48 (talk) 10:50, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Remove Nevermind songs from leaked list?
Seeing as Nevermind was announced officially (albeit without a timetable) would anyone be opposed to removing those songs from the leaked list? Oren0 (talk) 22:56, 1 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I think it makes sense to remove it. It has been announced, thus the fact that it is 'leaked' is pretty irrelevant.  Unless, and this is suggestion:  we include the entire list highlighting the songs that have already be offered and ones that have yet to show up. --Mm03gt (talk) 02:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * We can remove the songs from Nevermind, and include that the list previously included songs released between Feb 19th and present. As well as "Still Alive" which has been confirmed. TRTX (talk) 02:21, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Unlikely artists on leaked list
Why is Lithium listed as possibly being an Evanescence song? It's on Nevermind, which was confirmed. Harmonix wouldn't release all of Nevermind except one song and then release a song with the same name by an unrelated artist at around the same time. On the same note, Behind Blue Eyes is far more likely to be the already confirmed Who's Next track then to be an unpopular cover which no one has ever brought up as a serious possibility. Neither of those should be listed as the possible artist. (Sandswipe (talk) 01:28, 2 March 2008 (UTC))
 * The songs from Nevermind will possibly be coming off the list since it's already been confirmed. However the other songs have no confirmation as to who the artist would be aside from what we have listed as possibilities.  I'm sure nobody had ever brought up The B-52's or Tokio Hotel... TRTX (talk) 02:24, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note: Artists have been removed from the list from Punk Pack 02. Though we may have a good idea what they are, there is no confirmation.  If we are simply including a section on the hack, then we cannot include information not on the list. TRTX (talk) 20:18, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Behind Blue Eyes & Other Song/Artist debates
Umm...isn't "Behind Blue Eyes" on Who's Next?

So isn't it 100% sure to be a DLC song? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.244.42.168 (talk) 22:42, 2 March 2008 (UTC)

Right you are. The song was announced before this leak occured, and since the list is only supposed to include tracks that weren't announced at the time of the leak - it should be removed. I've gone ahead and done it. --Magus05 (talk) 23:51, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Technically some of the Grateful Dead songs qualify too. I don't know if we have the reference still, but when it was announced that there would be 18 Grateful Dead songs in the game (back in last September), 5 songs were listed at the time.  I know for a fact the songs announced at that time were "Casey Jones," "Sugar Magnolia," "Truckin," "Touch of Grey," and "Uncle John's Band."  3 of those are on this hacked list.  There used to be a section about the Grateful Dead on this page, but it was taken down.  If you go back through previous versions I am sure you could find it, along with the sources. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 05:41, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Part of why the list was contested was because we were speculating who artists would be...which is both OR and unverifiable. While I could see keeping Nevermind off (as it was confirmed previously), Behind Blue Eyes does have two versions...and it's odd to see just one track from an Album listed. So I'd keep it and place a footnote once it's officially confirmed as part of Who's Next (and not released as a single or other pack) TRTX (talk) 13:28, 3 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This entire debate is a great example of a weakness of wikipedia. An overwrought focus on obeying specific rules. Isn't that counter to wikipedias guidelines or whatever anyway? I'm no expert but I thought this was a place where the Spirit of the law prevailed over the letter. RISK MANAGEMENT people. "(I can't get no) satisfaction" is pretty lowrisk to be associated with the Rolling Stones. Anyone who disagrees is being unnecessarily rigid. The quality of the article is being unfairly reduced by continuing this debate. 60% of the songs on the list are 99%-specific to a single artist. If (GOD FORBID) it turns out that one of them is by another band, who cares? The consequences of a potential mistake here is severely outweighed by the usefulness of the information. My suggestion is to seperate out the unambiguous from the ambiguous. Again, Beetlebum will be the blur song. It's not ambiguous and the consequences of an error are trivial. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.106.63.213 (talk) 16:07, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The reason I'm treading carefully regarding artists for the hacked list is because of the current dispute regarding verifibility vs. speculation. Though I can understand your frustration with considering "Satisfaction" is 99% likely to be by the Stones vs. Britney Spears. TRTX (talk) 17:29, 4 March 2008 (UTC)
 * verifiability should be the #1 concern in contentious or controversial articles, but while it should always be considered high priority, when you start requiring every detail be specifically verifiable, you are hampering the overall quality of the article. Regardless of whether it is being performed by Britney Spears or the Rolling Stones, it's a Rolling Stones song in my opinion. Same with Beetlebum, and any other handful of others. Isn't their a policy on "Being Bold"? I think that sums up this whole debate. I don't think it was ever anyones intention that people would waste their time squabbling about petty details like this when they thought up the verifiable policy. Let's be strict on matters of importance and a little laxer on downloadable content for a silly video game please. 142.106.63.213 (talk) 17:40, 4 March 2008 (UTC)


 * D.O.A. Seeing as this is also about a potential song/artist, I thought I'd include this here.  According to the reports regarding this leaked list, the list also included songs that are already on the song listing.  Dead On Arrival is a song already found on the game.  Is it possible that this listing is simply a mistake or double counting?--Mm03gt (talk) 21:30, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * No, look at the original list. "Dead on Arrival" and "D.O.A" are both on it. Oren0 (talk) 00:34, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Added some links.
I added some links to the existing song pages for the "hacked song" section, with a small addition: As we don't know if whichever of an example such as Def Leppard or Muse made the song "Hysteria", I added that fact, too. A Powerful Weakness (talk) 14:11, 5 March 2008 (UTC) A Powerful Weakness
 * Strongly disagree with whoever reverted this edit, as I said in the thread above this, arguing over whether beetlebum is the blur song or not because of verifiability is ludicrous. It's the only song with that name! I can't get no satisfaction is a rolling stone song. Stop being unnecessarily strict. Wikipedia's policies can be interpreted (and its' my interpretation) that the statements which specifically need to be cited are those whcih are not self-evident and those which are likely to cause controversy or argument about whether they are true/right or not. In this case, the controversy is not over whether the information is correct, everyone agrees that it is. This controversy is actually about whether or not it's following the rules, which is a semantic argument amongst people who all agree on the actual content. It's hampering the quality of the article! Wikipedia is about verifiability, but it also instructs us to ignore those rules when they degrade the quality of the article. STOP the silliness please 142.106.63.213 (talk) 16:19, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm the one that reverted your edits, even though I agree with you. Unfortunately, this entire section has been entirely contentious with people crying attribution and verifiability and original research.  At one point, we had potential artists listed in the table right next to the song titles.  The issue is that it's still original research.  And if we're not going to allow listing the artists on the page then we can't link to song titles about those artists either.  Agreed that this is a perfect ignore all rules situation.  I'd like artists to be listed in the table again, but we need to get consensus before we can do it. Oren0 (talk) 19:49, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I agree it's frustrating, and though I'd like to include who the possible (or in some cases most likely) artists are...there's enough debate over the section itself let alone adding artists. Frankly I like the idea of just putting these and the remaining OXM tracks (the ones who have had their dates deconfirmed by other releases) into a "Future songs" section (since they aren't annouced as much as they are named through pretty reliable sources) and leave it that.  I wish this whole debate would've come up while we were originally discussing and finally decided to include the section...at least then we could've made modifications outside of the public article and saved the headache that's come from the random changes and various linking and unlinking. TRTX (talk) 20:23, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I and others did raise the issue when the section was being talked about before it was added and none of the issues brought up then were really addressed. harlock_jds (talk) 13:20, 7 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Isn't this consensus right here? Three opinions in general agreement on including artists? I've been trying to generate debate on this but i havent seen anyone post here who has a differing opinion. Suggestion: Re-add artists in those circumstances where its clear, and note where its not. If someone has an issue with that, rather than revert it, they can bring their discussion here and we'll discuss it until we reach a consensus. No point in reverting the edit if you agree, then you're misrepresenting the amount of people who are incorrecting holding on to their strict principles (again, to the detriment of the article). I'd do this myself but some equally uptight people have the article protected. By the way, they weren't my edits. I just agree with the person above who made them. 142.106.63.213 (talk) 22:13, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The discussion has already been started regarding the section as a whole. Artists are only one part of the issue.  Hence the "Disputed" box that starts it out. See portions of "Stuff", "Rumored Songs section" and a few more topics that are active at the moment. TRTX (talk) 00:31, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

DLC for PS2?
I have heard that you are able to somehow get DLC for the PS2. Is that true? and if you can, how? Sweetchild01 (talk) 17:03, 8 March 2008 (UTC)
 * DLC is currently only for 360 and PS3 versions. I haven't seen any news of DLC somehow coming to PS2. TRTX (talk) 18:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

The PS2 lacks sufficient data storage to support DLC. There was a hard drive attachment for FFXI, but those are few and far between. As such, the PS2 hasn't gotten DLC and likely never will. --Magus05 (talk) 23:57, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

SXSW "Pack"?
The press release refers to it as the "SXSW DLC Pack". Though from what I've gathered there is no actual pack. Is this true? Also, I've seen reports that Shockwave has yet to be added to the marketplace. Though this may be the case, the relesae said "March 11". I would say leave Shockwave in the list of songs and move it to "Annouced" with "TBA" if by tomorrow it has not been included. That's just my opinion. I've referenced the three tracks as "SXSW" and linked to the press release. I don't have the marketplace in front of me, just the release. It could be that a true "pack" download is on the way and that whatever's keeping Black Tide out is holding back the final pack download. I would say go with the press release until the day passes or we get news otherwise. TRTX (talk) 16:14, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Beethoven's what?
What exactly is "Beethoven's C***" (by Serj Tankian)? Is that the title of the song or is it just censored? Please note that Wikipedia is not censored. Lightsup55 ( T | C ) 16:24, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Presumably from Serj's page, it is a censored word; however, given that Rock Band content is going to be censored, we have to report the titles as given by HMX or MTV, and so from the official literature I've seen, it is exactly as they say, (sic). In other words, HMX/MTV ha censored for us, we are not doing the censoring ourselves. --M ASEM  17:04, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * This is why I was asking about album links. If you go to the Elect the Dead album article, this song is listed as "Beethovan's C***" there as well.  That would lead me to believe that it is in fact the title.  Google searches also don't turn up anything.  (And yes, there is more than one four-lettered C-word) TRTX (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Note. Somebody updated the album page with the supposed actual word (it was not the one I was expecting).  I'm currently on a public computer so I'm unable to start googling for confirmation. TRTX (talk) 17:18, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The word of the day is "cunt." However, the name of the song in game is censored, so we should have it censored the same way here. Oren0 (talk) 18:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks for confirming. That's what I saw as well. TRTX (talk) 19:22, 11 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just confirming that the title is listed as "C***" in game. --Magus05 (talk) 21:39, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Message In a Bottle TBA now??
I thought the release date was confirmed for March 22nd or something, it said that for a while...Doshindude (talk) 18:36, 14 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The original posted date was March 11th, as seen in the March OXM issue. It was changed to TBA when a different set of DLC was annouced for that day.  The reference to OXM remains since it is a fairly reliable source.  And the final week (Metal Pack) keeps its date until another source can deconfirm it more than "it's tentative". TRTX (talk) 19:02, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Earache Thrash Pack
I moved it from the announced section to the released section. I know it is on the Marketplace. I have not purchased the tracks so I cannot check the tiering. If you need to fix anything, please do. This was my first major edit. I could not remember if we used a footnote or not for songs on the Xbox Marketplace but not on the PSN yet. If so, you can let me know and I will add it, or you can do it for me. I also moved the reference for the announcement down to the end of the "Songs Listed in DLC Files" section because it was being used on the footnote there. Please let me know if I did anything wrong. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 10:15, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Looks good to me. Thanks! As a side note, I've updated the page with a comment to help future editors locate Bass information (I don't know if people know where it's at in-game) TRTX T / C 16:30, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I'm adding the tiers as found at Rockbandcontent.com. They tend to update pretty quickly and I'll just assume their stuff is accurate until we find out otherwise. Oren0 (talk) 18:27, 18 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Just comparred a few weeks worth to the table's we've got. Appear to match up.  I'd consider it a viable source for the info. TRTX T / C 23:44, 18 March 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I couldn't download the songs, so I couldn't confirm the tiering myself. I only added the vocals once multiple people mentioned it in separate threads on the official rock band forums. Had I downloaded the songs I would have known where to get the bass tiering. Not saying your addition was worthless, it is good the have the info there. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 05:41, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

As far as PS3 goes, anyone know what the delay is? its 3pm central already and still no Thrash pack. Is the 20th of March the correct release date?


 * Finally up at 4pm. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.141.111.2 (talk) 00:58, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

New Update, in game store
There is a new update coming soon, as described in this article http://xbox360.ign.com/articles/860/860946p1.html  It will add an in game store to the game for downloading the DLC. This will make it so people do not have to go to the LIVE Marketplace, or PSN store. I know this article is just a list of songs, but when this does come out are we going to re-word anything to reflect the in-game store? Maybe not. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 20:42, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I read in the announcement post on HMX's official site that song difficulty levels will be viewable from the in-game store you mentioned. Will tiering information on the page still be necessary? --Sgtpepper252 (talk) 22:00, 20 March 2008 (UTC)
 * My original reason for supporting tier information was that it wasn't readily available or quickly referenced. If the shop provides tiering info (and it looks ilke it's on the same 1-9 scale) then I'm all for the removal of Tiers from the tables.  It'll clean things up when we eventually have to add the PAL/NTSC information. TRTX T / C 00:31, 21 March 2008 (UTC)
 * That's my reasoning behind it. Tiering info along with PAL/NTSC would be WAY to cluttered. As for the original question, what other games have in-game stores? I ask because we could refer to those articles to see if the store is mentioned there. --Sgtpepper252 (talk) 01:38, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, I cannot confirm this, but the store is already out for the PS3 version of the game. Apparently it has been submitted to both Microsoft and Sony and it is now on them to make it available for download, with Sony supposedly having already done so. If anyone can verify, that would be great. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 08:08, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

The update is out on both Xbox 360 and PS3. Tiering info can be found through the in-game store. I am going to start a new section where we can discuss whether or not to remove it. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 12:45, 21 March 2008 (UTC)

April 1st DLC
Before anyone asks, there is a website, http://www.rockbandage.com/main.html?src=%2F that is claiming to have the DLC for April 1st. They claim it will be 3 songs from the band the Offspring. It is an elaborate joke. They completely updated their page, made a large bio for the band, and put up YouYube videos of the songs. In the description of each YouTube video is the lyrics to the song. In those lyrics, on all 3 songs, a line is added explaining that the whole thing is an April Fool's joke. I just wanted to make everyone aware before people try adding it to the page. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 07:48, 24 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Thankfully HMX will annouce the DLC this week. That way we don't have to worry about sifting through what will likely be multiple pranks on various gaming pages/forums/etc. all claiming to know the 4/1 DLC. TRTX T / C 12:36, 24 March 2008 (UTC)

OXM Footnote
Should we really keep the footnote on the announced songs about the release dates being tentative and subject to change? The dates all say TBA. I guess when I read the footnote, I feel like I was just told to take the dates with a grain of salt, but then when I look up there are no dates anyway. It seems unnecessary at this point because there are no dates any more. Rowdyoctopus (talk) 08:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I have no problem with it. TRTX T / C 12:07, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

PS3 Store Revamp (No DLC content for 2 weeks, 360 exclusive DLC for 2 weeks then?)
If you havent read, the PS store is getting an ovehaul in mid April, but in the two weeks leading up to the new stores release there will be no updates to the playstation store, including Rockband dlc. Durring this period "Stay Alive" is supposed to be relased on April 1st, while no content will be uploaded by sony. Does this mean the 360 will have 2 weeks worth of dlc and stay alive exclusively (till the new PS3 store is up) or will the PS3 rockband store continue to work with new dlc. The PS3's Rockband store doesnt update on Tues like the 360 but Thurs instead, so I could see a lack of content till the new store arrives. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.122.184.2 (talk) 19:04, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * As nothing official has been stated on this by either Sony or Harmonix, we'll assume that the content will not be available until the new PlayStation Store is released. Since there is no official date on when the store will go down for the update, we don't need to mention it in the article. Chouonsoku (talk) 19:08, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * The same post annoucing "Still Alive" (currently ref #16 i nthe article) also commented that the song will not be available on PSN due ot the work being done for the overhaul. I'd imagine if the track were to still be available via the music store this would've been stated in the annoucement. This is likely the cause for the delay in today's annoucement.  And likely will cause the 360 to have exclusive content for the next few weeks. We can footnote this in the table and reference the Still Alive annoucement. TRTX T / C 19:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * Last night on X-Play (episode original air-date 3/31/08) had a blurb about "Still Alive" and stated it would be released April 17th on the Playstation Store. This probably isn't worthy of inclusion based on what I saw on tv, but just an FYI to those concerned.  I'd check the G4 website for confirmation, but I'm at work and the page is blocked.  (fyi, posting from a shared ip address)  —Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.208.251.21 (talk) 13:43, 1 April 2008 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I found a link to this on the G4 website.  FYI, something being reported on a TV show like that is reliable and can be cited as a source. Oren0 (talk) 23:07, 1 April 2008 (UTC)

System of a Down Pack?
What's with the System of a Down pack listed? Can someone confirm this? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.54.13.41 (talk) 19:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

There isn't one, someone needs to remove it. No citations provided. —Preceding unsigned comment added by BHK Heartless (talk • contribs) 19:28, 31 March 2008 (UTC)
 * I thought I got that edit already. Is it still visible? TRTX T / C 19:30, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Yea its still visible BHK Heartless (talk) 19:32, 31 March 2008 (UTC) BHK
 * Try clearing your cache (CTRL + F5) --Ouzo (talk) 19:57, 31 March 2008 (UTC)