Talk:List of stars in Andromeda

Wider Table
We should make the star table wider by adding more data into it in every opened articles in the list of stars by constellations and make it like the other web sites, such as star catalogues, right ascension, declination, absolute magnitude and spectral type. Currently, the table only contain Bayer designations, Flamsteed designations for some constellations, star name icons and proper names, apparent magnitudes, distance, comments, and sometimes right ascension and declination before aparent magnitude, distance, but after the names/designations. The figure of table from left to right is shown here:

Thank you alot for making the new table style in the list of star by constellation articles, from Fornax to Lyra as of 23:45 UTC, December 26, 2006, but you should add one more thing, "distance in parsec". For more information about the distance, look in Talk:List of stars in Lyra and Talk:List of stars in Vulpecula. Cosmium 00:34, 27 December 2006 (UTC)
 * Thanks for the thanks. I was pondering if I should add also distance in parsecs. But since parsecs are not much used in popular texts (incl. Wikipedia), and since the parsecs column doesn't add much new information (just the same values of light year distance divided by 3.26), I didn't see any compelling reason why parsec distances should be included. Keeping the tables as light as possible is in my opinion more important. I included the absolute magnitude since it tells how bright the star actually is and computing it is more complex operation (although some Hipparcos distances are quite meaningless because of small parallaxes). Anyway, after I've incorporated the star notes into my database, updating the tables should be considerably easier.--JyriL talk 13:43, 27 December 2006 (UTC)

Etymologies
Etymologies listed in this table don't fit into the new table, so please add them in respective star articles with sources.--JyriL talk 16:54, 29 December 2006 (UTC)
 * I think they're all in. Might want to delete some of the rarer alternates in e.g. Mirach. kwami 18:05, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Requested move 2008
List of stars in Andromeda → List of stars in the constellation Andromeda — "Andromeda" is highly ambiguous, since it's the name of a constellation and of a widely known galaxy, so a less ambiguous name should be used. — 76.66.195.63 (talk) 02:46, 23 November 2008 (UTC)

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 * Support. Definite improvement. I also notice that Andromeda is a long standing disambiguation page, supporting the claim that the current title is ambiguous. Andrewa (talk) 02:41, 26 November 2008 (UTC)


 * Oppose. I don't think there is any chance of ambiguity here. First, no stars in the Andromeda Galaxy will rise to notability, unless one goes supernova or something. Second, all stars in the Andromeda Galaxy will necessarily also lie in the constellation (so at the very best, it would be a subcategory). Finally, sometimes a disambiguation page is the best/final solution, for just such instances when one needs to clarify "constellation" vs. "galaxy", e.g. --Imzogelmo (talk) 18:47, 13 January 2011 (UTC)

Discussion

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I think that there is no possibility to make any ambiguity: if sometime a list of stars known in the Andromeda Galaxy, hits title will be List of stars of the Andromeda Galaxy. Furthermore, all other 87 lists of stars by constellations are "List of stars in...", why this list has to be different? -- Roberto  Segnali all'Indiano  11:10, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Long list of star names
The long harangues star name variants don't serve any good purpose in star lists. Most of those name variants are not used any more. As far as I can tell from the source, Quinta Struthionum is Knobel's unmotivated translation to Latin of Khamis al Namet. This is wrong, and no indication that "names" such as Quinta Struthionum were ever used. The main flood of Arabic star names occurred in the immediate aftermath of Reconquista especially around 1250 (see the Alfonsine tables) when Almagest was translated into Latin. They kept the Arabic star names without translation, but generally with a certain transcription obfuscation, such as Zuban aš-Šamaliyy (?) becoming Zubeneschemali. Original star and constellation names of Antiquity from before the Islamic Golden Age were generally Greek, Canopus/Kanobos, Arcturus/Arktouros, while the Latinization mostly regarded the constellations. Knobels translation Quinta Struthionum is from 1895. It should not be regarded as a genuine star name. Rursus dixit. ( m bork3 !) 07:11, 10 April 2011 (UTC)

List of stars in Andromeda
All other such lists of stars in the respective constellations are named "List of stars in [constellation]"; this seems to be the one exception. It is unclear why. Any thoughts? Regards, RJH (talk) 22:39, 21 September 2011 (UTC)
 * It was moved in 2008, following a requested move. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 08:30, 12 July 2012 (UTC)

Position Data
What is the source of the position data for the stars in the table? The legend says that it is Epoch 2000.0, but it isn't. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tlj18 (talk • contribs) 21:09, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

Requested move 2012

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The result of the move request was: moved per request. Favonian (talk) 19:34, 29 July 2012 (UTC)

List of stars in the constellation Andromeda → List of stars in Andromeda – All of the other lists of stars in constellations are in this format. I see no reason why this one shouldn't be either. StringTheory11 20:21, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

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 * Support, the shorter form is still unambiguous. — P.T. Aufrette (talk) 23:24, 23 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support for uniformity. Disambiguation is not necessary if there's no List of stars of the Andromeda Galaxy. And as User:Imzogelmo brought up, won't the stars of Andromeda the galaxy also fall under Andromeda the constellation?--SGCM  (talk)  00:42, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per the last requested move. This defines that this is Andromeda the constellation and not Andromeda the galaxy, or several dwarf galaxies so named, or globular clusters; so indicates the scope of the list. -- 76.65.131.160 (talk) 03:51, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Oppose per 76.65.131.160. Hill Crest&#39;s WikiLaser (Boom.) (talk) 15:13, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support per SGCM. Planet  Star  18:15, 24 July 2012 (UTC)
 * Support; AFAIK, no stars in the galaxy have been identified, let alone named. Thus, the title is not ambiguous.  Powers T 21:04, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Discussion

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